Who Owns your Comments?
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People who comment on a video with only “FIRST!” are nothing more than a pancake. They don’t care about the comment, they only care to make comments before anyone else does. I love getting comments, really I do. I bring this up to ask you this… who owns your comments?
Does YouTube own them, or is that just the place where you put your thoughts? Do I own your comments when you leave them on my blog? No way, I’ve never believed that. If you leave a comment, you own it. That’s the way I feel. There are services out there, such as Disqus and Intense Debate that allow you to make a comment somewhere (if one of these services is installed) and have it tied back to your online identity. They federate commentary. This way, you aren’t just some random commenter. But who owns those comments? Do the services own them? Do the services you post them through own them? Or do you, the writer, own them?
This has been a debate for quite awhile now. Your comment is original information that is being shared. It’s an interesting debate, because it is so easy to leave comments, and contribute to discussions anymore. When you’re in an environment that exceeds in highlighting these social points, you can extend beyond your own reach. For years, the only way you could get comments is by having your own website, and hope someone would stop to post in your guest book. Now, you can have a profile on a social network, a blog anywhere on the Web, or your own website. Everything is melding together, to make up your online identity. These different services allow you to take your social identity and bring it full circle, back to your own personal space.
The easiest way to centralize this comment ecosystem is to bring it back in to wherever it was produced. In my case, that would be here in my blog. Why not leave a comment here, and let me know your thoughts on this.
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26 Comments
David
June 18th, 2008
at 11:31pm
Almost all the Machinimas I’ve seen have the same first comment that reads “First!”.
Borat
June 19th, 2008
at 12:12am
SECOND!!!!!!!!
go ahead and call me a pancake
James Mowery
June 19th, 2008
at 12:30am
My co-worker, Jeff Chandler, brought this issue up on Performancing three days ago. I am of the opinion that a commenter cannot expect to own their comments unless they can not be modified by the author.
Would you want to own something that has been modified, but still has your name on it? I don’t think so. I’d rather the blog or site I post on assumes liability.
As long as a site says they can modify your content, you can’t actually assume you own that content.
Personally, I believe comments should be licensed under a creative commons license, but I doubt that will ever happen.
Regardless, most people voting on Performancing decided that the blogger owned the comments, and I agree with that.
Who Owns Comments you Write? ~ Kat’s Kontemplations
June 19th, 2008
at 12:31am
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Vincent
June 19th, 2008
at 4:44am
very intersting that gave me somthing to think about
Hope Leman
June 19th, 2008
at 6:02am
More to the point–why bother commenting? See here:
http://www.librarystuff.net/2007/07/09/commenting-rip/
a grand total of six comments–three from the same person. And the blogger himself didn’t comment on the comments. So much for discussion.
Grannar Olice
June 19th, 2008
at 11:05am
I would think Terms Of Service would dictate whether you retain your copyright to your intellectual production, or surrender it to the site when you post. Copyright law states you own your production upon creation. If you work under a contract which supersedes that, then your owner owns your production. So for this kind of place, I would think I own this drivel, for what it is worth :>]
yankeeballer92
June 19th, 2008
at 2:02pm
lol.. pancake.. !
I watch the video, then leave a comments
cananito
June 19th, 2008
at 2:13pm
Umm.. I really don’t see this topic much of a problem, I mean, what do I care who owns the comments, it’s nothing financial or something..
Anyway, I just joined friendfeed, and geez, it’s really aswome, thanks for talking about it.
TK_M
June 19th, 2008
at 7:30pm
I’m an amature internet writer it seems. Nothing as centralised as blogging, but leaving comments and odd articles wherever they look like they are relevent.
Plenty on Lockergnome of course and even Yahoo Answers. It was one of those answers on the meaning of a legal term that I found on someone else’s webpage. Clearly attributed to me, but taken without my permission.
Did I mind? No, not really - It was clearly attributed to me; although I have reservations about it being on a page that seemed to be designed to generate revenue for someone else.
In the end, I took it as a sort of flattery, althought it was probably more computer generated, rarther than someone looking through the answers and deciding it was worthy of being on their site…
Forian
June 19th, 2008
at 9:46pm
I can ask the same question to you Chris: Who owns your videos when you put them onto YouTube?
Comment wise: Personally, mine belong to the host of the website I post my comments on, you know, so I can’t get in trouble for what I say ;)
TheSleepyGeek
June 20th, 2008
at 9:26am
I couldn’t agree more. By opening a site or attending a shared network or a social network, we are inviting people to come and leave a piece of themselves behind in form of a comment. You have most likely seen me posting on Lockergnome and might remember that I run my own blog and I never for a minute consider myself the owner of ANY of the content. In fact the reason that I write articles is to share them with the community. My hope is to build enough readership to almost create a dialogue around what happens to be taking place at any given point in my life. To talk with friends about what is relevant to me at any given time. I am sure you have seen this with your blog.
Who’s comment is this? The community’s!
Frank Schnyder
June 20th, 2008
at 11:57am
Second!
Hey, what’s a pancake?
(Mention IHOP and I’ll slap you.)
Matthew McMillan
June 20th, 2008
at 8:15pm
I think its pretty clear that the POSTER owns the comments. You can relate it to a message board outside your school. The school doesnt ‘own’ the content on those boards, they simple reserve the right to censor/supervise what gets posted, and remove those that they deem inappropriate.
ookami
June 20th, 2008
at 8:58pm
I always dislike the ‘first’ comment. It makes it even worst when people are not even the first. I always found it disrespectful since most do not even spend the time and effort to make a meaningful post.
I believe comments do belong to us. But they are subjected to rules following what ever forums or blog you look at. So if a rule is violated, than removal is allowed. I am not sure about editing someones comment, that area to me is a tad iffy. Especially since it comes down to do they have the right to edit your comment? Would you rather have your comment deleted or changed to follow the rules and leave the core of the comment in place.
Anjo206
June 20th, 2008
at 11:15pm
Well I’ve Always thought that Youtube Owned everyones comments because when you comment, you take some of their storage space.
Jack Hayward
June 21st, 2008
at 12:00pm
This is a sort-of important issue, I personally don’t care who owns my comment as long as it is recognized by the community I posted it at. (By the way I’m second!)
Mark ([LTC]Kram)
June 21st, 2008
at 1:53pm
I think that the comment is owned by the person that wrote the comment.
When you think about it - An artist sings the song, and its theirs (commenter). Although the label produces it (the blog host…).
That’s what I’ve always thought anyway!
Nice video Chris!
chris ham
June 21st, 2008
at 3:47pm
I thought we all knew these facts… When I was watching this I felt like you were talking the obvious
Pablo Richie
June 21st, 2008
at 7:26pm
The terms and conditions usually grant the website full rights to any contributions you make to a community site. Your participation is deemed acceptance of these terms.
I think the site should own them too.
shelded
June 21st, 2008
at 8:44pm
IMO this is public speech and I cannot own it. IANAL but I think you’re using imprecise language to talk about this. We’re uttering public speech and I don’t think we “own” it in the sense some of us are thinking of. We may be quoted or blamed for it but by posting it here I have given you the right to publish it, which IIRC is not same as copyright. In any case, defining “own” and “copyright” and why this is important to you might help peel this onion.
TeddGCM
June 21st, 2008
at 9:19pm
I’ve always been of the mind that any comment I decide to place on someone else’s site remains my personal opinion, but I have given the owner of the blog permission to use the comment in any way he/she chooses, as long as they do not twist my words into another meaning. I don’t mind the owner using my comments, just don’t edit them to make it look like I agree or disagree. take it at face value.
computerwhiz1
June 21st, 2008
at 9:55pm
Hey chris, I think this a good topic. I think that the person that writes the comment is the one who owns it. I mean they wrote it not the blogger so the comment writer owns it. If you wanted to use it you would have to contact the original writer not the blogger. Also all the blogger has in this is that he/she is giving you the privilege to post in reply.
seany
June 23rd, 2008
at 11:33pm
I think that the website owns the comment, but the user retains all privileges. For example, if the website wants to use that quote, they must give credit to the speaker and possibly ask for permission to use them.
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at 1:00am
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Eric L Farrell
May 26th, 2009
at 6:09pm
Seems everyone here only focused on half-hearted comments that are posted as a fleeting though, but haven’t considered the comments that may be seriously profound thoughts, poems, songs, or original images. Some comments may even be very detailed and informative. All of these can actually have substantial value. Then, some may quote their own or someone else’s copyrighted material and post that in a comment section. That’s a deeper issue as well.