Comments on: Web 2.0: I Told You So http://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/ News and Reviews! Geek, Internet Entrepreneur, Hardware Addict, Software Junkie, Book Author, Once TV Show Host, Technology Enthusiast, Shameless Self-Promoter, Tech Conference Coordinator, Early Adopter, Idea Evangelist, Tech Support Blogger, Bootstrapper, Media Personality, Technology Consultant, Thicker Quicker Picker Upper. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:01:14 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Reghttp://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20041 Reg Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:32:50 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20041 "Web 3.0, now with added etherealness!"(So, if no one has trademarked Web 3.0, how about we all upgrade and make O'Reilly look obsolete?!)Seriously, though, I think the problem is that Web 2.0 meant different things to different people. For me it was a nebulous but useful concept that implied a newer way of working with the web, using technologies such as Ajax and the various XML file formats (eg, RSS), setting up LAMP stacks and running Wikis, to provide interactions over and above just sticking up a IIS server and serving pages.For others it meant something different, and for Tim I think it meant the prelude to a sales pitch for internet commerce in the 21st century.But everyone seemed to recognize that many parts of the web in the '00s are in a different place that the '90s, and we needed some sort of term to refer to this newer level of operation. It's unfortunate the term that stuck turned out to be the chief whipping stock of partisan bloggers who thrive on controversy.However, I think it's a bit disingenuous for all these "friends of Dave" to gleefully chant that Tim has trademarked Web 2.0. His business associates registered it as a service mark for operating a conference. He had, and has, no claim to it in the wider context. Web 2.0 could still be used as a pragmatic term to refer to the "new web."I think it will actually still be used, but will always be followed by a knowing laugh - "except O'Reilly trademarked it so we can't use it" - then the people who actually do stuff will get on with evolving the web, while those who snark at each other continue to do what they do best too. “Web 3.0, now with added etherealness!”

(So, if no one has trademarked Web 3.0, how about we all upgrade and make O’Reilly look obsolete?!)

Seriously, though, I think the problem is that Web 2.0 meant different things to different people. For me it was a nebulous but useful concept that implied a newer way of working with the web, using technologies such as Ajax and the various XML file formats (eg, RSS), setting up LAMP stacks and running Wikis, to provide interactions over and above just sticking up a IIS server and serving pages.

For others it meant something different, and for Tim I think it meant the prelude to a sales pitch for internet commerce in the 21st century.

But everyone seemed to recognize that many parts of the web in the ’00s are in a different place that the ’90s, and we needed some sort of term to refer to this newer level of operation. It’s unfortunate the term that stuck turned out to be the chief whipping stock of partisan bloggers who thrive on controversy.

However, I think it’s a bit disingenuous for all these “friends of Dave” to gleefully chant that Tim has trademarked Web 2.0. His business associates registered it as a service mark for operating a conference. He had, and has, no claim to it in the wider context. Web 2.0 could still be used as a pragmatic term to refer to the “new web.”

I think it will actually still be used, but will always be followed by a knowing laugh – “except O’Reilly trademarked it so we can’t use it” – then the people who actually do stuff will get on with evolving the web, while those who snark at each other continue to do what they do best too.

]]> By: sean brendan » Web 2.0? Whats the deal with that?http://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20038 sean brendan » Web 2.0? Whats the deal with that? Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:51:35 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20038 [...] For an interesting rant from Mr. Pirillo on the web 2.0 subject, click here.  [...] [...] For an interesting rant from Mr. Pirillo on the web 2.0 subject, click here.  [...]

]]> By: Randy Holloway Unfiltered » Web 2.0: I Told You Sohttp://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20021 Randy Holloway Unfiltered » Web 2.0: I Told You So Thu, 01 Jun 2006 03:22:18 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20021 [...] Chris Pirillo: "Your favorite “Web 2.0″ (the ethereal movement) applications are still walled gardens - to the nth degree. Web 2.0, the conference, belongs to O’Reilly and CMP. Web 2.0, the ethereal movement, doesn’t exist." [...] [...] Chris Pirillo: "Your favorite “Web 2.0″ (the ethereal movement) applications are still walled gardens – to the nth degree. Web 2.0, the conference, belongs to O’Reilly and CMP. Web 2.0, the ethereal movement, doesn’t exist." [...]

]]> By: David Ciccarellihttp://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20019 David Ciccarelli Wed, 31 May 2006 23:53:16 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20019 Many companies, some not even web related, have used the term "Web 2.0" to describe a new Internet-based initiative. I agree that web entrepreneurs creating new apps are far from offering their content open to the masses - a la "walled garden". Companies still protect their data, because often times, it's their most valuable asset. As I've discovered, creating a functional, useful API is not easy and should only be built once business partners are lined up ready to plug in. Many companies, some not even web related, have used the term “Web 2.0″ to describe a new Internet-based initiative. I agree that web entrepreneurs creating new apps are far from offering their content open to the masses – a la “walled garden”. Companies still protect their data, because often times, it’s their most valuable asset. As I’ve discovered, creating a functional, useful API is not easy and should only be built once business partners are lined up ready to plug in.

]]> By: Liam @ Web 2.5 Bloghttp://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20017 Liam @ Web 2.5 Blog Wed, 31 May 2006 23:39:21 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20017 O'Reilly & co. didn't exactly defend their brand vigorously between the first conference and last week, otherwise this never would have happened.It may be a meaningless moniker, but the world was bound to label the post-bust period with a catchy meme. Folks grabbed this term, yet O'Reilly & MediaLive said nothing. That probably means they've forfeited it. O’Reilly & co. didn’t exactly defend their brand vigorously between the first conference and last week, otherwise this never would have happened.

It may be a meaningless moniker, but the world was bound to label the post-bust period with a catchy meme. Folks grabbed this term, yet O’Reilly & MediaLive said nothing. That probably means they’ve forfeited it.

]]> By: Scripting News Annex » Scripting News for 5/31/2006http://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20015 Scripting News Annex » Scripting News for 5/31/2006 Wed, 31 May 2006 23:27:07 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20015 [...] Chris Pirillo: “O’Reilly is not a non-profit organization.”  [...] [...] Chris Pirillo: “O’Reilly is not a non-profit organization.”  [...]

]]> By: Tailrank - Web 2.0 Service Mark Controversy (Tim responding this time)http://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-22266 Tailrank - Web 2.0 Service Mark Controversy (Tim responding this time) Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-22266 <!--%kramer-pre%--> Web 2.0: I Told You So<!--%kramer-post%--> Web 2.0: I Told You So

]]> By: Antigravitashttp://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20542 Antigravitas Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20542 <!--%kramer-pre%--> Despite all the nattering about 'Web 2.0' being"just a conference" or a marketing label, there are some indications it really is more than that. For example, take a look at Andy Carvin's detailed blog post on a recent Pew Internet study, where he draws an interesting conclusion about greater broadband access leading<!--%kramer-post%--> Despite all the nattering about ‘Web 2.0′ being”just a conference” or a marketing label, there are some indications it really is more than that. For example, take a look at Andy Carvin’s detailed blog post on a recent Pew Internet study, where he draws an interesting conclusion about greater broadband access leading

]]> By: Smalltalk Tidbits, Industry Rantshttp://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20054 Smalltalk Tidbits, Industry Rants Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20054 <!--%kramer-pre%-->Chris Pirillo<!--%kramer-post%--> Chris Pirillo

]]> By: Scripting News: 5/31/2006http://chris.pirillo.com/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20053 Scripting News: 5/31/2006 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/05/31/web-20-i-told-you-so/#comment-20053 <!--%kramer-pre%-->Chris Pirillo: "O'Reilly is not a non-profit organization."<!--%kramer-post%--> Chris Pirillo: “O’Reilly is not a non-profit organization.”

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