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		<title>By: Billgates</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-775670</link>
		<dc:creator>Billgates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tor is not secure, it is anonymous. A VPN is not anonymous, it is secure. 
-Use Tor for anonymity
-Use a VPN for security
-Use Tor+VPN for security and anonymity. 

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en#thesolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network#Security_mechanisms
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tor is not secure, it is anonymous. A VPN is not anonymous, it is secure.<br />
-Use Tor for anonymity<br />
-Use a VPN for security<br />
-Use Tor+VPN for security and anonymity. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en#thesolution" rel="nofollow">https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en#thesolution</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network#Security_mechanisms" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network#Security_mechanisms</a></p>
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		<title>By: Billgates</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-775669</link>
		<dc:creator>Billgates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tor is not secure, it is anonymous. A VPN is not anonymous, it is secure. 
-Use Tor for anonymity
-Use a VPN for security
-Use Tor+VPN for security and anonymity. 

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en#thesolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network#Security_mechanisms
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tor is not secure, it is anonymous. A VPN is not anonymous, it is secure.<br />
-Use Tor for anonymity<br />
-Use a VPN for security<br />
-Use Tor+VPN for security and anonymity. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en#thesolution" rel="nofollow">https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en#thesolution</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network#Security_mechanisms" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network#Security_mechanisms</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chan4Chan.com</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-774369</link>
		<dc:creator>Chan4Chan.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a good and bad side to everything.

As long as you know what you are doing and why, you have the advantage whatever you use.

The following might be relevant to this blog post and comment thread: http://torvpn.com/information.html

TorVPN is a simple VPN service for advanced users like me who know what OpenVPN, PPTP, SSH is and like to set up custom routes or a transparent TOR proxy optionally.

One of the advantages of using the TOR network this way is you don&#039;t have to run a TOR client on your box. But then again, I guess most people do not enable the TOR proxy and just simply use the VPN because it&#039;s much faster that way (around 800 Kbytes / sec).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a good and bad side to everything.</p>
<p>As long as you know what you are doing and why, you have the advantage whatever you use.</p>
<p>The following might be relevant to this blog post and comment thread: <a href="http://torvpn.com/information.html" rel="nofollow">http://torvpn.com/information.html</a></p>
<p>TorVPN is a simple VPN service for advanced users like me who know what OpenVPN, PPTP, SSH is and like to set up custom routes or a transparent TOR proxy optionally.</p>
<p>One of the advantages of using the TOR network this way is you don&#8217;t have to run a TOR client on your box. But then again, I guess most people do not enable the TOR proxy and just simply use the VPN because it&#8217;s much faster that way (around 800 Kbytes / sec).</p>
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		<title>By: nunyabusiness</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-747172</link>
		<dc:creator>nunyabusiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 13:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you idiots dont use tor for email, anyone can run a tor-relay, it only takes one BAD tor-relay to sniff out your passwords</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you idiots dont use tor for email, anyone can run a tor-relay, it only takes one BAD tor-relay to sniff out your passwords</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-716579</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Perfect Privacy (anonymity service which provides OpenVPN and a lot of servers) with Tor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Perfect Privacy (anonymity service which provides OpenVPN and a lot of servers) with Tor.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-681921</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use Tor and have a question.  

I understand that all traffic between Tor nodes is encrypted.  

I understand that the Tor exit node is able to see all unencrypted traffic to/from website.  

I understand Tor is all about anonymity and has little to do with  security.  

What is the best, most efficient way to run both securely and anonymously using Tor?  Do Is setting up OpenVPN a solution running over Tor??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Tor and have a question.  </p>
<p>I understand that all traffic between Tor nodes is encrypted.  </p>
<p>I understand that the Tor exit node is able to see all unencrypted traffic to/from website.  </p>
<p>I understand Tor is all about anonymity and has little to do with  security.  </p>
<p>What is the best, most efficient way to run both securely and anonymously using Tor?  Do Is setting up OpenVPN a solution running over Tor??</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-541986</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris

If you dont have a vpn running, this is a page with easy steps how to get one running:

Windows XP VPN Setup
http://wireless.gumph.org/content/6/4/011-howto-xp-pptp-vpn-user.html

Windows Vista VPN Setup
http://theillustratednetwork.mvps.org/Vista/PPTP/PPTPVPN.html

Ubuntu GNU/Linux VPN Setup
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNServer

It is not rocket science to set one up.

About Tor
Tor is a whole different story, its main goal is not securing your connection, but to anonymize it, the packets are not being encrypted, only passed to a mass of proxies.

So if you want to defend yourself from sniffing attacks, use a vpn, if you just want to be anonyme, use tor.

Btw, combining tor and vpn isnt such a good idea, it does not only cricitally slows down your network connection, but also the more machines your packets are being processed over, the more likely theres one inbetween, that might be able to break it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris</p>
<p>If you dont have a vpn running, this is a page with easy steps how to get one running:</p>
<p>Windows XP VPN Setup<br />
<a href="http://wireless.gumph.org/content/6/4/011-howto-xp-pptp-vpn-user.html" rel="nofollow">http://wireless.gumph.org/content/6/4/011-howto-xp-pptp-vpn-user.html</a></p>
<p>Windows Vista VPN Setup<br />
<a href="http://theillustratednetwork.mvps.org/Vista/PPTP/PPTPVPN.html" rel="nofollow">http://theillustratednetwork.mvps.org/Vista/PPTP/PPTPVPN.html</a></p>
<p>Ubuntu GNU/Linux VPN Setup<br />
<a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNServer" rel="nofollow">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNServer</a></p>
<p>It is not rocket science to set one up.</p>
<p>About Tor<br />
Tor is a whole different story, its main goal is not securing your connection, but to anonymize it, the packets are not being encrypted, only passed to a mass of proxies.</p>
<p>So if you want to defend yourself from sniffing attacks, use a vpn, if you just want to be anonyme, use tor.</p>
<p>Btw, combining tor and vpn isnt such a good idea, it does not only cricitally slows down your network connection, but also the more machines your packets are being processed over, the more likely theres one inbetween, that might be able to break it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-530802</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tor would help secure the local link, that is, anyone else on the same wifi network.  However, the end node can sniff all your traffic unless you are using SSL.

The other mentions of SSH tunneling work well, but only for limited applications.  SSH tunneling is really a hack around of a real VPN.

A real VPN is the *correct* answer, even though it&#039;s kind of a pain to set up.  OpenVPN is an SSL VPN (and the ONLY secure SSL VPN) that&#039;s free, though you need to understand Linux routing to really get the benefits.  Other &quot;SSL VPN&quot; solutions that have &quot;no client install&quot; or work like VNC are SNAKE OIL and TERRIBLY INSECURE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tor would help secure the local link, that is, anyone else on the same wifi network.  However, the end node can sniff all your traffic unless you are using SSL.</p>
<p>The other mentions of SSH tunneling work well, but only for limited applications.  SSH tunneling is really a hack around of a real VPN.</p>
<p>A real VPN is the *correct* answer, even though it&#8217;s kind of a pain to set up.  OpenVPN is an SSL VPN (and the ONLY secure SSL VPN) that&#8217;s free, though you need to understand Linux routing to really get the benefits.  Other &#8220;SSL VPN&#8221; solutions that have &#8220;no client install&#8221; or work like VNC are SNAKE OIL and TERRIBLY INSECURE.</p>
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		<title>By: Fake Rake</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-530002</link>
		<dc:creator>Fake Rake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tor isn&#039;t going to give you the security that you want, the traffic is still unencrypted between the exit node and the destination, and you have no idea who&#039;s running the exit node.  I&#039;d sure be tempted to sniff the traffic if I had a Tor exit node running.

I second the earlier suggestion about an SSH tunnel, that&#039;s how I protect my Wifi use on public networks.  SSH to a home SSH server, and tunnel my web browsing over that connection.  Or tunnel remote desktop/VNC over that connection and then run everything from your home computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tor isn&#8217;t going to give you the security that you want, the traffic is still unencrypted between the exit node and the destination, and you have no idea who&#8217;s running the exit node.  I&#8217;d sure be tempted to sniff the traffic if I had a Tor exit node running.</p>
<p>I second the earlier suggestion about an SSH tunnel, that&#8217;s how I protect my Wifi use on public networks.  SSH to a home SSH server, and tunnel my web browsing over that connection.  Or tunnel remote desktop/VNC over that connection and then run everything from your home computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-529903</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too run TOR via Vidalia. I keep hoping it is as secure as it is made out to be. However, my understanding is that the data between your computer and the first node it connects to is clear data, unencrypted, and likewise between the last node and the site you&#039;re conneting to. So I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;d be willing to use it at my local WIFI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too run TOR via Vidalia. I keep hoping it is as secure as it is made out to be. However, my understanding is that the data between your computer and the first node it connects to is clear data, unencrypted, and likewise between the last node and the site you&#8217;re conneting to. So I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;d be willing to use it at my local WIFI.</p>
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		<title>By: edward</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-529773</link>
		<dc:creator>edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 03:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fully agree with what you said, here is my addtional 2 cents:

Just finish the Frontier Visionary Interview with Alvin Toffler ( http://www.hwswworld.com/uploaddownload/interview/toffler.mp3 ), I was impressed by his sharp mind as well as his talking speed, that is probably why he could made those precise predictions, such as Prosume, a combination of outsourcing and DIY

Through the interview, the following viewpoints have been drawn:

1. There is no truth, only the correctness of truth to be proved. That is the fundamental limitation of human perception of reality

2. Minority power is good in certain way; it is ridiculous a high school drop out shall have the same voting as that of post-doctor. Elite ruling is good for a less developed world for sure

3. To fix the education system, the key is not the system itself; the key is people, especially those students. How to motivate them is a key challenge, since current generation and future generations need not study and work hard in order to make a decent living as we did before

4. The causes and effects of innovation to drive knowledge creation is yet a wild land or wonderland to be fully explored

5. There is a possibility for business miniature to happen, it will be not a shame any more for one-man shop, or one-shop man

6. Where will the modern civilization head on remains an open question

7. Human intelligence will be enhanced through technology advancement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fully agree with what you said, here is my addtional 2 cents:</p>
<p>Just finish the Frontier Visionary Interview with Alvin Toffler ( <a href="http://www.hwswworld.com/uploaddownload/interview/toffler.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.hwswworld.com/uploaddownload/interview/toffler.mp3</a> ), I was impressed by his sharp mind as well as his talking speed, that is probably why he could made those precise predictions, such as Prosume, a combination of outsourcing and DIY</p>
<p>Through the interview, the following viewpoints have been drawn:</p>
<p>1. There is no truth, only the correctness of truth to be proved. That is the fundamental limitation of human perception of reality</p>
<p>2. Minority power is good in certain way; it is ridiculous a high school drop out shall have the same voting as that of post-doctor. Elite ruling is good for a less developed world for sure</p>
<p>3. To fix the education system, the key is not the system itself; the key is people, especially those students. How to motivate them is a key challenge, since current generation and future generations need not study and work hard in order to make a decent living as we did before</p>
<p>4. The causes and effects of innovation to drive knowledge creation is yet a wild land or wonderland to be fully explored</p>
<p>5. There is a possibility for business miniature to happen, it will be not a shame any more for one-man shop, or one-shop man</p>
<p>6. Where will the modern civilization head on remains an open question</p>
<p>7. Human intelligence will be enhanced through technology advancement</p>
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		<title>By: mark1davidson</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-529312</link>
		<dc:creator>mark1davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Dean Collins&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s what I&#039;ve been looking into but wasn&#039;t sure of which software to use. Thank you for the tip.

http://shiftplusone.com/haha.jpg

Because of the heat and because I&#039;m not having an easy time adjusting to a home office after spending the last few years working in buildings with open office floors and surrounded by people with ADHD, I&#039;ve been setting up shop at the Special Starbucks. The only problem is, I don&#039;t feel very confident that any of my data is secure.

Since signing up for T-Mobile wifi a couple of days ago, I&#039;ve been feeling a strong need for a VPN. In fact, I just FTP&#039;d the above linked jpg from one server to my desktop and back up on the Shift+One Media server. That&#039;s 2 unencrypted access codes right there!

My big question is, why aren&#039;t there more solutions available? I would think that the big-hot thing would be wifi security suites. Is this an emerging market or is someone missing the boat?

What I will likely do is to provide a consumer-friendly wifi security page on the Shift+One Media website once I can work out all these issues for myself.

!

Follow me on
Lockergnome - http://themarkside.com
Twitter - http://twitter.com/markdavidson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Dean Collins</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve been looking into but wasn&#8217;t sure of which software to use. Thank you for the tip.</p>
<p><a href="http://shiftplusone.com/haha.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://shiftplusone.com/haha.jpg</a></p>
<p>Because of the heat and because I&#8217;m not having an easy time adjusting to a home office after spending the last few years working in buildings with open office floors and surrounded by people with ADHD, I&#8217;ve been setting up shop at the Special Starbucks. The only problem is, I don&#8217;t feel very confident that any of my data is secure.</p>
<p>Since signing up for T-Mobile wifi a couple of days ago, I&#8217;ve been feeling a strong need for a VPN. In fact, I just FTP&#8217;d the above linked jpg from one server to my desktop and back up on the Shift+One Media server. That&#8217;s 2 unencrypted access codes right there!</p>
<p>My big question is, why aren&#8217;t there more solutions available? I would think that the big-hot thing would be wifi security suites. Is this an emerging market or is someone missing the boat?</p>
<p>What I will likely do is to provide a consumer-friendly wifi security page on the Shift+One Media website once I can work out all these issues for myself.</p>
<p>!</p>
<p>Follow me on<br />
Lockergnome &#8211; <a href="http://themarkside.com" rel="nofollow">http://themarkside.com</a><br />
Twitter &#8211; <a href="http://twitter.com/markdavidson" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/markdavidson</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dean Collins</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-529285</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
why not just bite the bullet and set up a vpn server?

too easy these days with applications like MS SBS2003 (this is what i use for my family/home email and web pages etc).

this would also add a ton of other functionality like auto backups which you&#039;ve asked about before. Plays nice with asterisk for voip if you get isa 2004 as well.

www.cognation.net/asterisk

Cheers,
Dean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
why not just bite the bullet and set up a vpn server?</p>
<p>too easy these days with applications like MS SBS2003 (this is what i use for my family/home email and web pages etc).</p>
<p>this would also add a ton of other functionality like auto backups which you&#8217;ve asked about before. Plays nice with asterisk for voip if you get isa 2004 as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cognation.net/asterisk" rel="nofollow">http://www.cognation.net/asterisk</a></p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dean</p>
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		<title>By: mark1davidson</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-529265</link>
		<dc:creator>mark1davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/106834</description>
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		<title>By: mark1davidson</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/tor-or-vpn/#comment-529185</link>
		<dc:creator>mark1davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I always get nervous on open and/or public WiFi networks - especially when it comes to checking sensitive information like email. Some people say that a VPN (a virtual private network) solves that problem, but I don’t seem to have anything other than a way to dial into a VPN server. Since I don’t have a VPN server, I’m stuck with half a solution.&lt;/i&gt;

Great topic, Chris. To escape the 1000 degree heat today, I signed up for a T-Mobile account--like I need another IP service provider--and headed off to the special Starbucks. The only problem was, I was too concerned about data security to really get any work done. (There was a creepy and weird guy who kept looking at my screen while I was tooling around WHM... nice).

Not only was I nervous about checking email but I wanted to register a domain... http://themarkside.com and create the account entry on my server.

Okay, I&#039;m going to go back up and read your post now. Very timely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I always get nervous on open and/or public WiFi networks &#8211; especially when it comes to checking sensitive information like email. Some people say that a VPN (a virtual private network) solves that problem, but I don’t seem to have anything other than a way to dial into a VPN server. Since I don’t have a VPN server, I’m stuck with half a solution.</i></p>
<p>Great topic, Chris. To escape the 1000 degree heat today, I signed up for a T-Mobile account&#8211;like I need another IP service provider&#8211;and headed off to the special Starbucks. The only problem was, I was too concerned about data security to really get any work done. (There was a creepy and weird guy who kept looking at my screen while I was tooling around WHM&#8230; nice).</p>
<p>Not only was I nervous about checking email but I wanted to register a domain&#8230; <a href="http://themarkside.com" rel="nofollow">http://themarkside.com</a> and create the account entry on my server.</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;m going to go back up and read your post now. Very timely.</p>
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