Comments on: The Windows Vista Challenge http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/ Geek, Internet Entrepreneur, Hardware Addict, Software Junkie, Book Author, Once TV Show Host, Technology Enthusiast, Shameless Self-Promoter, Tech Conference Coordinator, Early Adopter, Idea Evangelist, Tech Support Blogger, Bootstrapper, Media Personality, Technology Consultant, Thicker Quicker Picker Upper. Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:04:00 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Windows Vista Thoughts ~ Windows Fanatics http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-153473 Windows Vista Thoughts ~ Windows Fanatics Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:05:39 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-153473 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] The Windows Vista Challenge [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] The Windows Vista Challenge [...]

]]> By: Politics in the Zeros»Blog Archive » Open source vs. monolith http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-49291 Politics in the Zeros»Blog Archive » Open source vs. monolith Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:59:12 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-49291 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] A recent Observer article, Why Vista will mean the end of the Microsoft monolith, is getting lots of attention in the tech blogosphere. Check my comments, and Chris Pirillo’s too. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] A recent Observer article, Why Vista will mean the end of the Microsoft monolith, is getting lots of attention in the tech blogosphere. Check my comments, and Chris Pirillo’s too. [...]

]]> By: Windows Vista Build rc1 http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-42484 Windows Vista Build rc1 Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:39:33 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-42484 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Windows Vista Build rc1 Here's a screenshot of Windows Vista rc1 running on my Dell D620. Everything is working very well despite a few bugs. IE7 continues to give me some minor fits I cannot explain: 1. I cannot change my homepage and make it stick. 2. I cannot add URL's to the trusted sites zone or the intranet zone. On other fronts: 1. I have to launch the sidebar manually - although some think this is a good thing. 2. Expanding my monitor still is with its problems  - the behavior isn't consistent. On the up side: 1. Performance is still very fast. Much faster than the previous versions. 2. The more I get used to the interface, I find I am doing every day tasks quicker than I did in Windows XP. 3. More and more apps are beginning to run smoothly on Vista. However, RSS Bandit wont even install which is a huge bummer. With or without Glass enabled. And Dell needs to get on the ball and release some beta drivers already! Please? Boot up is still taking a bit longer (+ 60 seconds) than I would like as well. I think this is related to booting at work only and having to sit through the GPO's getting pushed down. At home it boots up much quicker (under 30 seconds). Also interesting to see is Chris Pirillo's post and Charlie's challenge to Vista's Aero Glass ... check out the video. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Windows Vista Build rc1 Here’s a screenshot of Windows Vista rc1 running on my Dell D620. Everything is working very well despite a few bugs. IE7 continues to give me some minor fits I cannot explain: 1. I cannot change my homepage and make it stick. 2. I cannot add URL’s to the trusted sites zone or the intranet zone. On other fronts: 1. I have to launch the sidebar manually – although some think this is a good thing. 2. Expanding my monitor still is with its problems  – the behavior isn’t consistent. On the up side: 1. Performance is still very fast. Much faster than the previous versions. 2. The more I get used to the interface, I find I am doing every day tasks quicker than I did in Windows XP. 3. More and more apps are beginning to run smoothly on Vista. However, RSS Bandit wont even install which is a huge bummer. With or without Glass enabled. And Dell needs to get on the ball and release some beta drivers already! Please? Boot up is still taking a bit longer (+ 60 seconds) than I would like as well. I think this is related to booting at work only and having to sit through the GPO’s getting pushed down. At home it boots up much quicker (under 30 seconds). Also interesting to see is Chris Pirillo’s post and Charlie’s challenge to Vista’s Aero Glass … check out the video. [...]

]]> By: cheeaunblog: First steps in theme design http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39969 cheeaunblog: First steps in theme design Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:37:25 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39969 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] The Windows Vista Challenge tags: challenge, desktop, interface, ui, vista, windows, xgl [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] The Windows Vista Challenge tags: challenge, desktop, interface, ui, vista, windows, xgl [...]

]]> By: Jonathan Buckland http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39546 Jonathan Buckland Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:32:18 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39546 Chris, I understand what you are saying about Vista against XGL it is much slicker and seems to be less memory hungry. There is a big but with Linux though, I had to make a number of config changes to get XGL to work and that's often the case with Linux. As a developer that's not to much of a problem, but you won't get my mum doing that. I have to say though we have all gone over the top with this look an feel stuff. It's like the current Web 2.0 bubble where everything looks wacky, hip and trendy. Do we realy need a glass effect or a wabble? Chris, I understand what you are saying about Vista against XGL it is much slicker and seems to be less memory hungry. There is a big but with Linux though, I had to make a number of config changes to get XGL to work and that’s often the case with Linux. As a developer that’s not to much of a problem, but you won’t get my mum doing that.

I have to say though we have all gone over the top with this look an feel stuff. It’s like the current Web 2.0 bubble where everything looks wacky, hip and trendy. Do we realy need a glass effect or a wabble?

]]> By: Windows Vista Thoughts (GnomeREPORT) http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39339 Windows Vista Thoughts (GnomeREPORT) Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:06:12 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39339 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] The Windows Vista Challenge [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] The Windows Vista Challenge [...]

]]> By: Mike A http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39316 Mike A Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:00:09 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39316 Will my employees be able to use this new version of Linux without huge training expenses? Will my IT department be able to implement and support this new version of Linux without huge personel expenses? Will my current applications work with this new version of Linux without huge upgrade expenses? If 95% of the PC world is already Windows based, what is the advantage in jumping platforms? My employees would become less efficient as they struggled to learn a new UI that is different from what they use at work and at home. My IT staff is Windows savvy...where would I hire Linux support from? Microsoft sells their software assurance plan and it includes upgrades to their Office and Exchange applications, both of which I would have to replace with expensive, newly purchased applications in a Linux environment. Will my employees be able to use this new version of Linux without huge training expenses? Will my IT department be able to implement and support this new version of Linux without huge personel expenses? Will my current applications work with this new version of Linux without huge upgrade expenses?

If 95% of the PC world is already Windows based, what is the advantage in jumping platforms? My employees would become less efficient as they struggled to learn a new UI that is different from what they use at work and at home. My IT staff is Windows savvy…where would I hire Linux support from? Microsoft sells their software assurance plan and it includes upgrades to their Office and Exchange applications, both of which I would have to replace with expensive, newly purchased applications in a Linux environment.

]]> By: Macca http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39275 Macca Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:24:46 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39275 "Here’s a challenge for you. Really get behind what you’re saying, and start using Linux exclusively. Have fun with that. Vista provides a compelling, beautiful, cohesive, and more importantly compatible user interface." I laughed so hard I wet myself a little. Compatible? Pull the other one. Compelling? It compels me to vomit honestly. Beautiful? Put down the reefer hippy. Oh, and I use Linux full time. Gee it's hard. Oh wait, no it isn't. You just haven't used a GNU/Linux since you were 13 and thought it would make you cooler to be different. “Here’s a challenge for you. Really get behind what you’re saying, and start using Linux exclusively. Have fun with that. Vista provides a compelling, beautiful, cohesive, and more importantly compatible user interface.”

I laughed so hard I wet myself a little. Compatible? Pull the other one. Compelling? It compels me to vomit honestly. Beautiful? Put down the reefer hippy.

Oh, and I use Linux full time. Gee it’s hard. Oh wait, no it isn’t. You just haven’t used a GNU/Linux since you were 13 and thought it would make you cooler to be different.

]]> By: Geeking Microsoft : Windows Vista Build rc1 http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39207 Geeking Microsoft : Windows Vista Build rc1 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:56:16 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39207 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Windows Vista Build rc1 Here's a screenshot of Windows Vista rc1 running on my Dell D620. Everything is working very well despite a few bugs. IE7 continues to give me some minor fits I cannot explain: 1. I cannot change my homepage and make it stick. 2. I cannot add URL's to the trusted sites zone or the intranet zone. On other fronts: 1. I have to launch the sidebar manually - although some think this is a good thing. 2. Expanding my monitor still is with its problems  - the behavior isn't consistent. On the up side: 1. Performance is still very fast. Much faster than the previous versions. 2. The more I get used to the interface, I find I am doing every day tasks quicker than I did in Windows XP. 3. More and more apps are beginning to run smoothly on Vista. However, RSS Bandit wont even install which is a huge bummer. With or without Glass enabled. And Dell needs to get on the ball and release some beta drivers already! Please? Boot up is still taking a bit longer (+ 60 seconds) than I would like as well. I think this is related to booting at work only and having to sit through the GPO's getting pushed down. At home it boots up much quicker (under 30 seconds). Also interesting to see is Chris Pirillo's post and Charlie's challenge to Vista's Aero Glass ... check out the video. Published Monday, September 11, 2006 5:27 PM by ntpro Filed Under: Vista [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Windows Vista Build rc1 Here’s a screenshot of Windows Vista rc1 running on my Dell D620. Everything is working very well despite a few bugs. IE7 continues to give me some minor fits I cannot explain: 1. I cannot change my homepage and make it stick. 2. I cannot add URL’s to the trusted sites zone or the intranet zone. On other fronts: 1. I have to launch the sidebar manually – although some think this is a good thing. 2. Expanding my monitor still is with its problems  – the behavior isn’t consistent. On the up side: 1. Performance is still very fast. Much faster than the previous versions. 2. The more I get used to the interface, I find I am doing every day tasks quicker than I did in Windows XP. 3. More and more apps are beginning to run smoothly on Vista. However, RSS Bandit wont even install which is a huge bummer. With or without Glass enabled. And Dell needs to get on the ball and release some beta drivers already! Please? Boot up is still taking a bit longer (+ 60 seconds) than I would like as well. I think this is related to booting at work only and having to sit through the GPO’s getting pushed down. At home it boots up much quicker (under 30 seconds). Also interesting to see is Chris Pirillo’s post and Charlie’s challenge to Vista’s Aero Glass … check out the video. Published Monday, September 11, 2006 5:27 PM by ntpro Filed Under: Vista [...]

]]> By: ET http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39195 ET Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:22:06 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39195 Chris switch to Linux? That wouldnt happen!! Although it might be exactly what the Linux communtiy needs. It would be cool if Chris dedicated one month to using Linux. ET Chris switch to Linux? That wouldnt happen!! Although it might be exactly what the Linux communtiy needs. It would be cool if Chris dedicated one month to using Linux.

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]]> By: Cale Bruckner http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39035 Cale Bruckner Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:41:35 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39035 Take the challenge Chris. I'm with Charlie on this one - I think you'll loose. I'm running Vista RC1 on my Lenovo 3000 N100 and I'd call it a revolutionary upgrade - much more than evolutionary. I've been running the Vista betas on my Motion Computing tablet for months with One Note 2007 - impressive. I commend Microsoft for their efforts. Take the challenger or decline publicly ; ) You can't respond to his challenge with a different challenge - you either accept or you don't. Here's a challenge for you. Really get behind what you're saying, and start using Linux exclusively. Have fun with that. Vista provides a compelling, beautiful, cohesive, and more importantly compatible user interface. I think you need to add some reality to your Vista rants. Or, are these just desgined to attract the attention of Microsofties and keep the traffic flowing? Maybe you should let some of their usability experts hack away at your web properties. Cale - http://www.palmit.com P.S. - I'm a big fan of the open-source software movement. Some of my favorite apps (Synergy for example) are open-source. Didn't want you to think I'm some kind of Microsoft forever fan. Take the challenge Chris. I’m with Charlie on this one – I think you’ll loose. I’m running Vista RC1 on my Lenovo 3000 N100 and I’d call it a revolutionary upgrade – much more than evolutionary. I’ve been running the Vista betas on my Motion Computing tablet for months with One Note 2007 – impressive. I commend Microsoft for their efforts. Take the challenger or decline publicly ; ) You can’t respond to his challenge with a different challenge – you either accept or you don’t.

Here’s a challenge for you. Really get behind what you’re saying, and start using Linux exclusively. Have fun with that. Vista provides a compelling, beautiful, cohesive, and more importantly compatible user interface.

I think you need to add some reality to your Vista rants. Or, are these just desgined to attract the attention of Microsofties and keep the traffic flowing? Maybe you should let some of their usability experts hack away at your web properties.

Cale – http://www.palmit.com

P.S. – I’m a big fan of the open-source software movement. Some of my favorite apps (Synergy for example) are open-source. Didn’t want you to think I’m some kind of Microsoft forever fan.

]]> By: bobmorris http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39020 bobmorris Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:53:03 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39020 Back in the dawn of time, in the early to mid 90's, IBM thought they had a hammerlock on the PC market. They became quite arrogrant, believing they owned the market, and used FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) to scare people into not switching computer brands. It didn't work. Innovators began making better PCs, for less money too. Now IBM doesn't even make PCs... Maybe Microsoft should start releasing a core, like Linux does, then let others build whatever they want on top of it. Back in the dawn of time, in the early to mid 90’s, IBM thought they had a hammerlock on the PC market. They became quite arrogrant, believing they owned the market, and used FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) to scare people into not switching computer brands.

It didn’t work. Innovators began making better PCs, for less money too. Now IBM doesn’t even make PCs…

Maybe Microsoft should start releasing a core, like Linux does, then let others build whatever they want on top of it.

]]> By: Bluvg http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39001 Bluvg Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:45:45 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39001 I think your comments would have more weight if you spared the hyperbole: "infinitely better," etc. It's a great way to get more hits, though. I see more eye candy in XGL, but "compelling"? I'm not following (and as I recall, Microsoft demonstrated these very same effects--the wavy windows, etc.--YEARS ago on early builds of Longhorn, and subsequently dropped many of them). If I demo-ed this to my company, I'd be laughed out of the boardroom as if I were some punk kid that doesn't understand what makes their business run. Even for the home user, add a lot of gratuitous eye candy, and chances are they'll be asking how to turn it off (like the free Aqua dock add-on for Windows XP that I installed for a few friends--after a week, they couldn't stand it anymore). Tell me just how it is compelling. I don't see how XGL is significantly more compelling than Vista. From a UI perspective, I don't think the transparencies, window effects, task switching previews, etc. are really going to change the way I work in any substantive way. And revolutionary? Give me a break. You're right that Vista's UI is not revolutionary. But by the very same measure, neither is XGL. The graphics infrastructure model is significantly upgraded, but from a true User Interface perspective, neither is "revolutionary." This big gulf you point to between the Vista UI and XGL--I'm just not seeing it. If you showed both to the man on the street, I think he'd have trouble picking out a major difference. The statement regarding upgrading the video card for Vista is also a bit overstated--you can run Aero Glass on quite a few integrated graphics solutions, even. You need support for shader model 2.0. I think your comments would have more weight if you spared the hyperbole: “infinitely better,” etc. It’s a great way to get more hits, though. I see more eye candy in XGL, but “compelling”? I’m not following (and as I recall, Microsoft demonstrated these very same effects–the wavy windows, etc.–YEARS ago on early builds of Longhorn, and subsequently dropped many of them).

If I demo-ed this to my company, I’d be laughed out of the boardroom as if I were some punk kid that doesn’t understand what makes their business run. Even for the home user, add a lot of gratuitous eye candy, and chances are they’ll be asking how to turn it off (like the free Aqua dock add-on for Windows XP that I installed for a few friends–after a week, they couldn’t stand it anymore). Tell me just how it is compelling. I don’t see how XGL is significantly more compelling than Vista. From a UI perspective, I don’t think the transparencies, window effects, task switching previews, etc. are really going to change the way I work in any substantive way. And revolutionary? Give me a break. You’re right that Vista’s UI is not revolutionary. But by the very same measure, neither is XGL. The graphics infrastructure model is significantly upgraded, but from a true User Interface perspective, neither is “revolutionary.” This big gulf you point to between the Vista UI and XGL–I’m just not seeing it. If you showed both to the man on the street, I think he’d have trouble picking out a major difference.

The statement regarding upgrading the video card for Vista is also a bit overstated–you can run Aero Glass on quite a few integrated graphics solutions, even. You need support for shader model 2.0.

]]> By: peek http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-39000 peek Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:44:35 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-39000 Would MS dare open up an old version of Windows, perhaps Win 2000, and make it open source � see what a community of developers could make of it…and help bring MS to developing countries legally…

]]> By: Alijah Green http://chris.pirillo.com/the-windows-vista-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-38995 Alijah Green Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:30:53 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/09/11/the-windows-vista-challenge/#comment-38995 I have a issue also, over the weekend I was listening to Chris's podcast from CES where he talked with someone working on AERO. In the convation the guy from microsoft said there would be no image lock up on vista well wouldn't you know it that I had this problem this morning and it lasted for two minutes. Come to my blog to check it out. I have a issue also, over the weekend I was listening to Chris’s podcast from CES where he talked with someone working on AERO. In the convation the guy from microsoft said there would be no image lock up on vista well wouldn’t you know it that I had this problem this morning and it lasted for two minutes. Come to my blog to check it out.

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