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		<description><![CDATA[<p><p><a href="http://chris.pirillo.com/what-makes-a-word-into-a-bad-word/">What Makes a Word Into a Bad Word?</a></p><p>I still don&#8217;t understand the hang-up with &#8220;bad words&#8221; &#8211; who said they were bad? Were they written to be inherently bad, or did someone merely say they were bad? I&#8217;m confused, so I had to ask some friends what they think. They can&#8217;t be that bad if they are in the dictionary &#8211; Outsanity [...]</p></p><p><a href="http://chris.pirillo.com/what-makes-a-word-into-a-bad-word/">What Makes a Word Into a Bad Word?</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://chris.pirillo.com/what-makes-a-word-into-a-bad-word/">What Makes a Word Into a Bad Word?</a></p><p>I still don&#8217;t understand the hang-up with &#8220;bad words&#8221; &#8211; who said they were bad? Were they written to be inherently bad, or did someone merely say they were bad? I&#8217;m confused, so I had to <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/24e4c98d-317b-4013-89c2-c3bddaeebfc8/I-still-don-t-understand-the-hang-up-with-bad/">ask some friends</a> what they think. </p>
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They can&#8217;t be that bad if they are in the dictionary &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/outsanity" uid="3966a022-f30d-11dc-aac9-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Outsanity</a>
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What the fucking shit are you trying say, dammit? &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/akiva" uid="47401196-f205-11dc-8692-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Akiva Moskovitz</a>
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bad words are generally common words which come to be associated with ideas, groups, and behaviors considered taboo or unclean at some time by someone.  for example, &quot;faggot&quot; means kindling (as in, material to start a fire), but came to be a bad word due to a redefinition and the taboo nature of homosexuality in the context of certain societies.  edit: i just had a &quot;am i *really* that dorky&quot; moment. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/idnan" uid="84e2dd84-5ad9-11dd-8697-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">idnan</a>
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I remember I was punished in first grade for dropping the f-bomb. So, my first grade teacher said they were bad. But, generally, there are words that turn off some people in your potential audience. If you&#8217;re OK with losing them, go ahead and say them. By the way, our media and government has banned certain speech on our commercial media. Partly to avoid losing audience and partly because government gets pressure whenever, say, 5% of people get pissed off enough to call a Senator. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer" uid="251dca2e-e33f-11dc-8d47-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Robert Scoble</a>
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akiva &#8211; ROTFLMAO.  @idnan &#8211; I understand the use of words in a negative context, but that wasn&#8217;t my quandary (rather, I don&#8217;t know why people call them &quot;bad words&quot;). @scoble &#8211; You used the f-bomb in the first grade? I have a whole new respect for you, my man. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/l0ckergn0me" uid="e9cdf32a-f1ff-11dc-b879-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">l0ckergn0me</a>
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words only have the power that society gives them. If everyone decided &#8216;nutfreak&#8217; was awful, then &#8230; it would suddenly be bad. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/ajkohn" uid="0aba64c0-299a-11dd-aed7-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">AJ Kohn</a>
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No word is bad if it can convey a thought.  If it can&#8217;t, it&#8217;s useless, not bad.  Profanity conveys information just as well as non-profane words. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/jeber" uid="ab9c7c30-e89e-11dc-8447-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Jack Carlson</a>
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I think the touchstone for words that are bad are that they are hurtful. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/vmjr" uid="96cff400-071e-11dd-9252-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Victor Ryden</a>
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George Carlin talked about this at length, I think.  It&#8217;s another superstition.  Just like my Catholic friend in High School was convinced that certain physical objects, like Ouija boards and pentagrams were &quot;bad.&quot; &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/tad" uid="7f7c90ce-f530-11dc-a141-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Tad Donaghe</a>
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It is kind of a double edged sword. It makes no sense at all to my why words would be taboo, especially as Jack said words that convey information/thought. On the other hand if they weren&#8217;t considered &quot;bad&quot; then they wouldn&#8217;t be as impactful or useful. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/pierce" uid="5f3e07c4-f090-11dc-b843-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Joe Pierce</a>
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Chris: my parents still laugh about that. The teacher called them, forced them to make me apologize to the class. So, what did I do? I dropped the f-bomb again. But this time not to one kid, but to the whole class. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer" uid="251dca2e-e33f-11dc-8d47-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Robert Scoble</a>
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It&#8217;s all a matter of context.  Nothing in of itself is inherently bad.  It&#8217;s how it&#8217;s used and the effects of the use.  We don&#8217;t try to shield our kid from &quot;bad words&quot; because it&#8217;s silly.  But we do tell him those words only have power if he lets them.  And we caution him that other people don&#8217;t really understand that so he needs to be careful how he uses them. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/bluecockatoo" uid="03b6ca4c-091a-11dd-8d34-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Lindsay Donaghe</a>
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scobel that&#8217;s awesome, I was expelled from catholic school in first grade for dropping the f-bomb &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/bryanthatcher" uid="d0144530-f2c5-11dc-9e27-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Bryan Thatcher</a> via <a class="friend-via" href="http://www.twhirl.org/" rel="nofollow">twhirl</a>
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Why do I try to refrain from using such words on my blog? Well, lots of companies will block your blog if you trigger certain words. I still remember getting an Apple II and using certain words with the spell checker my dad bought. It wouldn&#8217;t correct the spelling, but, rather, said &quot;you should clean out your mouth.&quot; &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/scobleizer" uid="251dca2e-e33f-11dc-8d47-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Robert Scoble</a>
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Chris &#8211; Robert dropped the f-bomb because his teacher took away his oregon trail on the apple IIe :-P &#8211; i always tried to cross the river btw &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/allenstern" uid="7db5cc48-f2d7-11dc-a8dc-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Allen Stern</a>
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There are two meanings to every word.  The meaning to the speaker, and the meaning to the listener. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/wawwb" uid="bac6751c-5a13-11dd-8697-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Jennifer</a>
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Jennifer &#8211; one of my mentors always said &#8211; it&#8217;s not reality that&#8217;s important, it&#8217;s the perception that is. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/allenstern" uid="7db5cc48-f2d7-11dc-a8dc-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Allen Stern</a>
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I&#8217;m pretty sure when Scobez was in first grade they were still using chalk on slate boards.  :P  :D &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/tad" uid="7f7c90ce-f530-11dc-a141-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Tad Donaghe</a>
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Don&#8217;t they still use chalk on slate boards in school then? Seriously, don&#8217;t they? &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/eyebee" uid="fd410d92-4944-11dd-9c86-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Ian May</a>
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I meant on their desks instead of paper and pencil. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/tad" uid="7f7c90ce-f530-11dc-a141-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Tad Donaghe</a>
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Ian, these days when kids drop the f-bombs in class, and get caught, they&#8217;re writing their lines on a whiteboard with a marker. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/eldiablo" uid="3829dc3a-1f0c-11dd-b8ac-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Pete Delucchi</a>
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Wow, I completely forgot about Oregon Trail up until right now &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/nickmolnar" uid="ba76dc91-a4f0-4484-900e-ecb7dd447459" class="friend-friend l_popup">Nicholas Molnar</a> via <a class="friend-via" href="http://www.twhirl.org/" rel="nofollow">twhirl</a>
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Every computer that I&#8217;ve ever owned that was capable of it has been through at least one play through of Oregon Trail. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/pierce" uid="5f3e07c4-f090-11dc-b843-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Joe Pierce</a>
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In all seriousness, I avoid curse words because I feel the more sparingly they&#8217;re used, the more effective they are. My wife knows that when I drop the f-bomb, I am truly pissed (unless I&#8217;m using curse words for comedic effect, of course). If I cursed constantly, as I used to do, they&#8217;d become ignorable, ineffective background noise. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/akiva" uid="47401196-f205-11dc-8692-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Akiva Moskovitz</a>
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They were tagged long ago as terms not to be used to describe something.  Theory would be there would be something unspeakable that was decided upon &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/idonotes" uid="67e2336c-de63-11dc-9e22-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Chris</a> via <a class="friend-via" href="http://www.twhirl.org/" rel="nofollow">twhirl</a>
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Jesus, damn right! &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/jamestenniswood" uid="20f3d138-13bd-11dd-bcec-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">James Tenniswood</a>
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idnan&#8230; ^_^.   They are only bad words because some group of people decided that they are offensive. You know, the same can be said for the &quot;good&quot; words. A group of people decided these are okay, those are not. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/yolanda" uid="6c98ed34-f13b-11dc-9220-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Yolanda</a>
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Yolanda, that just points to the fact that people today don&#8217;t understand even the concept of vulgarity. We live in an everything-is-permissible society (in the West) because many people reject the notion of arbitrary or abstract rules. For example, take 100 people who have no problem illegally downloading music and then put them in front of a record store and tell them to go shoplift a CD or two and see how many will do it. They reject the abstract consequence but are afraid of the physical one. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/akiva" uid="47401196-f205-11dc-8692-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Akiva Moskovitz</a>
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I&#8217;ve become desensitized to my potty mouth. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/yolanda" uid="6c98ed34-f13b-11dc-9220-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Yolanda</a>
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yolanda of course.  communication is a necessarily collaborative effort.  communal decision (and often submission) is how languages are created and how they change, how conventions are adopted by a society and rejected. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/idnan" uid="84e2dd84-5ad9-11dd-8697-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">idnan</a>
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F-U-C-K = Fornication  under the consent of King :)-  IMHO, thats the how the  the common verb  come along :)- &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/slashpd" uid="b58ce78a-f135-11dc-b95c-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Peter Dawson</a>
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Yolanda, for some reason the phrase &#8216;potty mouth&#8217; is one of the most subtlety amusing ones for me. &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/akiva" uid="47401196-f205-11dc-8692-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Akiva Moskovitz</a>
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In Scotland people use certain &quot;bad words&quot; a lot but not in any &quot;bad&quot; sense &#8211; more to put more emphasis on what they&#8217;re saying. You must watch this for a laugh on swearing &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/56s5zs" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/56s5zs</a> &#8211; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://friendfeed.com/weblivz" uid="6687a518-2b04-11dd-be28-003048343a40" class="friend-friend l_popup">Steven</a> via <a class="friend-via" href="http://www.twhirl.org/" rel="nofollow">twhirl</a>
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<p>What do you think? What makes a word into a &#8216;bad&#8217; word? How bad is too bad when it comes to normal, everyday conversation? Where do you draw the line when writing in a public space, such as your blog? Let&#8217;s hear what you have to say. </p>
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