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]]> By: LooneyX http://chris.pirillo.com/seti-hears-a-who/comment-page-1/#comment-545639 LooneyX Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:17:29 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/seti-hears-a-who/#comment-545639 Dear Peter Oakes, You bring up valid points. I remember now hearing that scientists were able to make a subatomic particle teleport, and also were able to erect a particle forcefield for a few billionths of a second (if that). You keep thinking the way you do, and I'll keep thinking the way I do. But, I'll also hope that YOU are right, and these things will happen sooner rather than later. Cool? :) Take care, think happy thoughts. (Too mushy? Sorry ...) Sincerely, LooneyX Dear Peter Oakes,

You bring up valid points. I remember now hearing that scientists were able to make a subatomic particle teleport, and also were able to erect a particle forcefield for a few billionths of a second (if that).

You keep thinking the way you do, and I’ll keep thinking the way I do. But, I’ll also hope that YOU are right, and these things will happen sooner rather than later. Cool? :)

Take care, think happy thoughts. (Too mushy? Sorry …)

Sincerely,
LooneyX

]]> By: peter oakes http://chris.pirillo.com/seti-hears-a-who/comment-page-1/#comment-545340 peter oakes Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:15:25 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/seti-hears-a-who/#comment-545340 Dear LooneyX I respect your views and understand what you are tyring to say to me. But ! in my universe the human mind knows no limits to what it can achieve, I am of the mind that you do not say something is impossible, you say its possible, then set about finding how to do it. Like the tribe whom wanted to extend there hunting grounds, while traveling through the jungle they came to a gorge and on the other side they saw many wild beast which would keep them in food for years to come.They did not turn around and go home , they did not give up, they reasoned there must be a way to get across,they built a rope bridge. You may say that this story has no bearing on the vast distances encountered in outer space, to a certain degree you are right, but the challenge is the same, the will and need to bridge gaps,we all do it in our every day lives .The human race is pretty good at it and the distance in outer space is just another gorge to overcome.Look at it this way science fiction is slowley becoming science fact, we are exploring antigravity and other propulsion systems, they talk of wormhole, if they exist we could be else where in the galaxy or universe in seconds.What is the point in two races talking to one another across the void if they are never going to meet.There has to be something more waiting to be discovered,and I think it will be sooner than later,either we will do it or some alien race will do it.(if it has not already been done behind closed doors).It is my belief that when you have a few more years of reseach under your belt you will start to think differently. Please do get a book called Mysteries by Collin Wilson, This book will open your mind to the wonder of life and as the title of the book indicates its mysteries. read it from begining to end. Yours Sincerely Peter Oakes P.s I will not bother you any more I have no academic qualification and find it difficult to put my thoughs on paper.However I have enjoyed talking with you. All the best Dear LooneyX
I respect your views and understand what you are tyring to say to me. But ! in my universe the human mind knows no limits to what it can achieve, I am of the mind that you do not say something is impossible, you say its possible, then set about finding how to do it. Like the tribe whom wanted to extend there hunting grounds, while traveling through the jungle they came to a gorge and on the other side they saw many wild beast which would keep them in food for years to come.They did not turn around and go home , they did not give up, they reasoned there must be a way to get across,they built a rope bridge. You may say that this story has no bearing on the vast distances encountered in outer space, to a certain degree you are right, but the challenge is the same, the will and need to bridge gaps,we all do it in our every day lives .The human race is pretty good at it and the distance in outer space is just another gorge to overcome.Look at it this way science fiction is slowley becoming science fact, we are exploring antigravity and other propulsion systems, they talk of wormhole, if they exist we could be else where in the galaxy or universe in seconds.What is the point in two races talking to one another across the void if they are never going to meet.There has to be something more waiting to be discovered,and I think it will be sooner than later,either we will do it or some alien race will do it.(if it has not already been done behind closed doors).It is my belief that when you have a few more years of reseach under your belt you will start to think differently. Please do get a book called Mysteries by Collin Wilson, This book will open your mind to the wonder of life and as the title of the book indicates its mysteries. read it from begining to end.
Yours Sincerely Peter Oakes
P.s I will not bother you any more I have no academic qualification and find it difficult to put my thoughs on paper.However I have enjoyed talking with you. All the best

]]> By: LooneyX http://chris.pirillo.com/seti-hears-a-who/comment-page-1/#comment-543617 LooneyX Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:57:05 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/seti-hears-a-who/#comment-543617 Dear Peter Oakes, I do not claim to be an expert, and those are just my opinions based on what I understand. You have expressed yours, and that's fine. It's silly to try to debate opinion and belief, but I do both agree and disagree with what you said. What I agree with is your assessment of the phrase "but I'm right, aren't I". In hindsight, I should not have said that. It was part of an attempt to end my speech with a lighthearted twist. Turns out it worked against me, didn't it? :) Also, you got me to realize that I actually didn't include all the variables before. You sparked a memory of reading that it could be possible for life to arise that is not carbon-based. I didn't account for that. There are probably many more variables I don't even know about. Actually, I'm sure I don't know all the facts. Like I said, I'm not an expert. There could be many things I'm ignorant of that actually does raise the odds to the level you (and many, many others) believe it to be. I will admit, there is a part of me that wants to believe you whole-heartedly. Evidence of other intelligent life could be the kick in the arse humanity needs, let alone the profound scientific impact. I mean, hell, what if SETI actually DID find something out there? Wouldn't that be great?! But, what bothers me, what I disagree with is the whole "universe of possibilities" idea. One thing I've learned about science throughout my life, over the vast span of 26 years (I'm ancient ... I know :), is that there really are limits. Limits in nature, limits in understanding, limits in possibility. There are impossibilities. For example, it's impossible for a human to simply jump and reach escape velocity. It's impossible to roll a 7 on one 6-sided die. It's impossible to fuse iron. Hell, STARS can't even do that! (sigh) Look at this. I'm writing a big ol' speech again. I'm sorry. Look, what I'm really trying to say is that ... I just can't get past the odds. They seem so high to me that I'd more likely win the lottery 10 times in a row than hear about ET life in my lifetime, and maybe once within the lifetime of our planet. Is there intelligent life out there? I say most definitely. Will we ever contact or meet them? That's where I have to draw the line for myself. I think it's not impossible, but highly improbable. I'm sorry if I've bummed people out about this. Maybe I shouldn't have written all this in the first place. It's just not the popular view. Respectfully, LooneyX Dear Peter Oakes,

I do not claim to be an expert, and those are just my opinions based on what I understand. You have expressed yours, and that’s fine. It’s silly to try to debate opinion and belief, but I do both agree and disagree with what you said.

What I agree with is your assessment of the phrase “but I’m right, aren’t I”. In hindsight, I should not have said that. It was part of an attempt to end my speech with a lighthearted twist. Turns out it worked against me, didn’t it? :)

Also, you got me to realize that I actually didn’t include all the variables before. You sparked a memory of reading that it could be possible for life to arise that is not carbon-based. I didn’t account for that. There are probably many more variables I don’t even know about. Actually, I’m sure I don’t know all the facts. Like I said, I’m not an expert. There could be many things I’m ignorant of that actually does raise the odds to the level you (and many, many others) believe it to be. I will admit, there is a part of me that wants to believe you whole-heartedly. Evidence of other intelligent life could be the kick in the arse humanity needs, let alone the profound scientific impact. I mean, hell, what if SETI actually DID find something out there? Wouldn’t that be great?!

But, what bothers me, what I disagree with is the whole “universe of possibilities” idea. One thing I’ve learned about science throughout my life, over the vast span of 26 years (I’m ancient … I know :), is that there really are limits. Limits in nature, limits in understanding, limits in possibility. There are impossibilities. For example, it’s impossible for a human to simply jump and reach escape velocity. It’s impossible to roll a 7 on one 6-sided die. It’s impossible to fuse iron. Hell, STARS can’t even do that!

(sigh) Look at this. I’m writing a big ol’ speech again. I’m sorry. Look, what I’m really trying to say is that … I just can’t get past the odds. They seem so high to me that I’d more likely win the lottery 10 times in a row than hear about ET life in my lifetime, and maybe once within the lifetime of our planet. Is there intelligent life out there? I say most definitely. Will we ever contact or meet them? That’s where I have to draw the line for myself. I think it’s not impossible, but highly improbable.

I’m sorry if I’ve bummed people out about this. Maybe I shouldn’t have written all this in the first place. It’s just not the popular view.

Respectfully,
LooneyX

]]> By: peter oakes http://chris.pirillo.com/seti-hears-a-who/comment-page-1/#comment-543455 peter oakes Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:47:30 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/seti-hears-a-who/#comment-543455 Dear Sir (looneyx) On the topic of getting our act together and sorting out the mess we have and are making on our planet, yes you are right,we are a grubby lot and need to tidy our act up.But on your other comments concerning life and travel in the universe it is my belief (in a polite way) that you are incredibly small minded, you lack vision and wonderment of a universe of possibilities.you appear to know that life in the universe follows our rules of existence. could it not be that they do things differently ?. Sir open your mind then you will see how unfounded your comments are.I am amazed at how you write, as if you are rock solid certain of what you say but at the end you ask for assurance that what you have written is correct ( but I`m right, arent I?) do I detect doubt ? Yours Sincerely Peter Oakes Dear Sir (looneyx)
On the topic of getting our act together and sorting out the mess we have and are making on our planet, yes you are right,we are a grubby lot and need to tidy our act up.But on your other comments concerning life and travel in the universe it is my belief (in a polite way) that you are incredibly small minded, you lack vision and wonderment of a universe of possibilities.you appear to know that life in the universe follows our rules of existence. could it not be that they do things differently ?. Sir open your mind then you will see how unfounded your comments are.I am amazed at how you write, as if you are rock solid certain of what you say but at the end you ask for assurance that what you have written is correct ( but I`m right, arent I?) do I detect doubt ?
Yours Sincerely Peter Oakes

]]> By: LooneyX http://chris.pirillo.com/seti-hears-a-who/comment-page-1/#comment-543325 LooneyX Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:32:29 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/seti-hears-a-who/#comment-543325 As great as it would be to find another intelligent species out there, I honestly don't think we'll ever find them. Just think of the Drake Equation. What are the odds that there is another star out there that has a habitable zone like our star AND that there's a planet in it AND it's not too big or to small AND has the required elements for life to arise AND life actually does arise on that planet AND life survives on it long enough to evolve intelligent species AND this smart species survives long enough to gain the knowledge of interstellar communication AND actually sends signals AND that we'll pick them up before out star dies on us? Somewhere between infinitesimal and "forget it, buddy". Those odds are even bigger if that planet were to exist in our galaxy. And let's not forget lightyears. Lightyears are a measure of distance AND time. The nearest galaxy to us is Andromeda, 2 billion lightyears away. What are the odds that an intelligent species sent signals exactly 2 billion years ago so that we'd pick it up while we're bothering to listen right now? Sorry to be a drag, but that's pretty much the reality of it as I understand it. The odds of intelligent species finding one another are literally astronomical. And don't even get me started about travelling to see these species, what with the lack of faster-than-light travel, time dilation effects, radiation issues, etc. We must realize that we're isolated on this tiny little planet, and this is the only planet we've got. We have to get our act together, work together, and fix what we've done. We have to keep the planet in a state that is habitable for us. Why can't the majority of we humans see that? (All right, time to get off the soap box ... but I'm right, aren't I?) As great as it would be to find another intelligent species out there, I honestly don’t think we’ll ever find them. Just think of the Drake Equation. What are the odds that there is another star out there that has a habitable zone like our star AND that there’s a planet in it AND it’s not too big or to small AND has the required elements for life to arise AND life actually does arise on that planet AND life survives on it long enough to evolve intelligent species AND this smart species survives long enough to gain the knowledge of interstellar communication AND actually sends signals AND that we’ll pick them up before out star dies on us? Somewhere between infinitesimal and “forget it, buddy”. Those odds are even bigger if that planet were to exist in our galaxy.

And let’s not forget lightyears. Lightyears are a measure of distance AND time. The nearest galaxy to us is Andromeda, 2 billion lightyears away. What are the odds that an intelligent species sent signals exactly 2 billion years ago so that we’d pick it up while we’re bothering to listen right now?

Sorry to be a drag, but that’s pretty much the reality of it as I understand it. The odds of intelligent species finding one another are literally astronomical.

And don’t even get me started about travelling to see these species, what with the lack of faster-than-light travel, time dilation effects, radiation issues, etc.

We must realize that we’re isolated on this tiny little planet, and this is the only planet we’ve got. We have to get our act together, work together, and fix what we’ve done. We have to keep the planet in a state that is habitable for us. Why can’t the majority of we humans see that?

(All right, time to get off the soap box … but I’m right, aren’t I?)

]]> By: Bad Astronomy Blog » Dissed closure http://chris.pirillo.com/seti-hears-a-who/comment-page-1/#comment-25048 Bad Astronomy Blog » Dissed closure Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:31:58 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/seti-hears-a-who/#comment-25048 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Once again, from my bud Chris Pirillo, comes this story that Steven Greer, head of the Disclosure Project (which claims the gummint is hiding UFO aliens etc. etc.), was on the Coast to Coast AM radio show the other night claiming that SETI — the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, a scientific group looking for radio signals from space– is covering up a big signal they detected. Greer claims to have a mole inside SETI telling him this, and that if the C2C audience heard the mole’s name they’d know who he is– and he claims there are actually two people inside SETI who confirmed this. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Once again, from my bud Chris Pirillo, comes this story that Steven Greer, head of the Disclosure Project (which claims the gummint is hiding UFO aliens etc. etc.), was on the Coast to Coast AM radio show the other night claiming that SETI — the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, a scientific group looking for radio signals from space– is covering up a big signal they detected. Greer claims to have a mole inside SETI telling him this, and that if the C2C audience heard the mole’s name they’d know who he is– and he claims there are actually two people inside SETI who confirmed this. [...]

]]> By: Phil Plait, aka The Bad Astronomer http://chris.pirillo.com/seti-hears-a-who/comment-page-1/#comment-25008 Phil Plait, aka The Bad Astronomer Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:56:05 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/seti-hears-a-who/#comment-25008 Proof? What are you? A scientist? Someone in the reality-based community? Greer doesn't need proof when he can go on the Art bell show and smear Sagan's name! I'll be blogging about this later today, have no fear. Proof? What are you? A scientist? Someone in the reality-based community?

Greer doesn’t need proof when he can go on the Art bell show and smear Sagan’s name!

I’ll be blogging about this later today, have no fear.

]]> By: Daniel Conderman http://chris.pirillo.com/seti-hears-a-who/comment-page-1/#comment-24941 Daniel Conderman Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:32:31 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/01/seti-hears-a-who/#comment-24941 Is this for real? Lets see some proof. --dan Is this for real? Lets see some proof.

–dan

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