Comments on: Running With The Devil

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:52:58 +0000

Yawn… so now you're comparing proprietary extensions to the automatic correction of errors at run-time (so to speak)?
You know what else? All these opinions you have of me are based on your anger towards what I said, and they're purely blind assumptions (either that or they're based on a set of rules that you've made up that indicate a particular attribute to somebody's character). Why waste time trying to analyze my character anyway? What does it have to do with Netscape or IE?
All throughout this thread you've attempted to blindly accuse me of things that I never said, and never would say. This indicates a weak argument, regardless of your character — which (now that we mention it) appears as though you're a grumpy 50 year old, split up from his wife, high stress levels, overweight, and fearful of the future. How's that for a blind assumption? Are you used to having people back down to everything you say? Does this hurt your ego?
Learn to chill out dude!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:34:12 +0000

Okay this is the last comment from me as the original post has now fallen off the front page. Now perhaps I'm just jaded from too much IRC and time spent at other online fora but this discussion is hardly slanderous and, to me at least, still seems positively mild to me. Now a lot of online discourse, and for some it may be far too much, is pure contention. This thread is no different and seeing as it is a spin-off of some venting about Netscape 4.7, I would say that it really hasn't wandered away from the original topic too much.
As for Eek!, your petulant teenage solipsism is amusing. I will briefly note that Netscape has introduced it's share of proprietary extensions to HTML. I can almost see your lame rebuttal along the lines of “I know but didn't want to mention that”. Your love of puerile Microsoft bashing along with the ironic use of embrace and extend tactics with regard to the word and legal concept of monopoly show that no matter what the birth certificate says, adulthood is still a ways away. Oh and here's hoping the next time you have to ad-hom someone due to the monotonous M.O. failing yet again that you find the strength to lose the patently obvious ironic appeal to friendship as the use of such a tired device indicates a weak character.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 23 Feb 2002 04:57:36 +0000

Actually I DO see the nature of online discourse but from where I stand badgering each other accomplishes little. Comments and suggestions should be posted and people can make of them what they will. The back and forth tossing of slander is what makes most of these types of forums get out of hand. Just look at the people on http://www.betanews.com who have been arguing about the AOL vs. Trillian issue for the last couple of weeks. Not only have they totally strayed away from the actual subject, but they also have made themselves out to look like idiots because half of them are just grasping at straws to see if they can get the last word in edgewise whether what they're saying makes sence or not. Now it's just a bunch of name calling and is serving little purpose since one has to spend a lot of time reading through the trash to actually find an occasional decent comment that pertains to the original issue the forum was started for. What is accomplished by doing this? By the way, I'm not satisfied with XP or IE6 or Netscape. I'm just a poor little old home PC user who actually once worked for Microsoft (I apologize for Me – I had NOTHING to do with it) and I still use Windows 98SE and IE5.5 because IT WORKS BEST FOR ME. Use what works best for you and enjoy!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:33:26 +0000

Adult manner, Andy? Why, don't you realize that you're acting like a kid yourself? Are you in denial?
A dislike of Microsoft doesn't change the fact that their allowing of mistakes in code is bad practice. It appears that your love of Microsoft has blinded you to some plain truths, e.g. Microsoft has encouraged the standard of non-standard HTML. So anybody who makes a browser that's 100% standards compliant still won't stand a chance against winning people over from IE. People will use IE to veiw the pages that only look correct in IE. It's a monopolistic practice. No matter how good IE is, the beast behind it sucks. And for that matter, Andy, my friend (figure of speech), so do you. :P

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:43:10 +0000

Well Brian, this is a comments section where people can post what they want. If Chris has a problem with it then he can nuke a post or the entire set of comments. It may be ADULT where you stand to be a simplistic relativist but there are plenty of adults with backbones out there. Hate to have no debate because you obviously don't understand the nature of online discourse.
As for Eek!, there really is little point in reading your latest jottings as you dance all around the fact that IE 6 will be standards compliant and reject incompliant code if you code correct. It's clear that you can't let go of your dislike of Microsoft. You can hate everything Microsoft does but don't expect that not to be noted by those who can judge the merits of competing browsers and the larger scheme of things in an adult manner.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:13:51 +0000

Funny. It looked like Chris' page here the other day. Now it appears to be the EeK! bashers page. Grow up guys! Use what you want. I hate Nutscrape too but I'm among the many who are ADULT enough to let others voice their viewpoints without condemning them. Get your own page for that. Hate to have WWIII start over a battle of opinions over something as trivial as what browser is the best. Jeeze…

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:19:27 +0000

LOL! Somebody has no arguments to prove me wrong so they decide to post two comments pretending to be two different people. Did you think that with two posts I'd possibly believe you?
Truth hurts. : )

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:37:43 +0000

Eeks a moron!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:37:06 +0000

hey eEk!! why dont you shut the FU*K up!! @$$hole!! your so wrong and annoying.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:42:55 +0000

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:57:27 +0000

Andy, LOL!
I read every bit of that page, I didn't mention the bit about IE6 because I didn't need to. Are you blind? Didn't you notice that I agreed that IE6 is now starting to follow standards? Dude? Are you listening? Yoo-hoo!
You said, “Some (not all though) of the non-standard html that IE will accept is because it also is a file system browser and file system conventions are not the same.” Dude, that doesn't excuse the correcting and rendering of incorrect code! Like I said before, it was probably designed that way because the Microsoft coders are so sloppy, designed to hide their mistakes.
Netscape 6.2 is based on Mozilla code, Mozilla is “constantly” being updated, the Netscape browser isn't updated so frequently, so yes it does lag behind Mozilla. Was there a particular reason you mentioned that? Or do you just like chatting? By the way, I use Mozilla. I don't use Netscape.
I'm fooling myself if I think Netscape and Mozilla are bug free? Where the hell did that come from? Dude, they're riddled with bugs!
I'm fooling myself if I think the browser wars are the biggest game in town? Hell, dude, you assume too much! And who cares anyway? Why the hell do you mention these blind assumptions of what I think? Are you desperate to try and win this argument or something?
And concerning your ramblings about CSS, “the bigger war is to get folks to actually use valid CSS and HTML”, well if IE only supported the standard then people would have to start using it.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:33:34 +0000

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By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:32:22 +0000

Chris,
I started with a shell account in 1993 and then my ISP finally offered me Netscape version 1.0 to see what I was missing. The blazing speed of 9600k could not help Netscape then and a broadband connection today makes Netscape painful.
Thank you for hosting Screen Savers last night (President's Day).

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:03:07 +0000

Oh, dear, Eek! perhaps you missed this when you looked around over at webstandards:
'IE6 for Windows delivers fine support for HTML 4, CSS-1, and other important W3C standards. DonÂ’t worry if you donÂ’t know what that means; the people who build your websites know. The browser is available free of charge.”
Oh and you selectively quoted that WS says that NS 6.2 is the best browser. Here's the truth:
“It [NS6] is based on the standardsÂ–compliant Gecko engine and openÂ–source Mozilla, which supports AIX, Linux, Win32, Mac OS, OpenVMS, HPUX, and FreeBSD, and which may be the most compliant of all current browsers.”
NS 6 lags a bit behind Mozilla.
Again you are being disengenuous when you take a page that says IE6 will either render a page in strict (standards) mode or quirky (non-standard) and somehow say that IE6 will not display pages correctly. At the least back up that specific allegation. All it takes to make IE6 strict is the proper doctype at the top of the markup, which is what the W3C recommends anyway.
Some (not all though) of the non-standard html that IE will accept is because it also is a file system browser and file system conventions are not the same.
Now I am not saying that IE6 is perfect, it does have some known bugs and Microsoft are working on them though one can disagree with the pace and priority of those efforts. But you're fooling yourself if you think that Mozilla and NS are bug free.
You are also fooling yourself if you think that the browser wars are still the biggest game in town. While there is a wee bit of merit in talking about which browser supports the most CSS2, the bigger war is to get folks to actually use valid CSS and HTML. Just look at Dave Winer's recent spate of clueless comments about CSS. Getting the authouring tools to code correct is the new frontline. Keep in mind that browsers may render non standard HTML but something else made the code in the first place.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:28:13 +0000

I'm using Netscape 6.2 @ work (for browsing and for email) on WinNT and I'm quite pleased with it. At home it's mozilla all the way…