Compiz-Fusion has some new features but what I am noticing with the developement is the lack of actual functional features being added. Sure there is a lot of eye-candy which is great. But the actual WM functions of killing borders, saving the location of apps and making hte WM truly self sufficient have yet to be seen. Compiz still relies on a Desktop Manager which it really should not have to, imo.

Now for the good, Compiz is more stunning than anything that has been put into the API for Aero. Yet innitially, driver support for Linux was totally lacking as it always is. Due to the fact Linux retains a one percent share of the desktop market. If the API for Aero was well thought out, I am quite certain they would have added something more useful than tilting windows. I agree with some of the statements made about, however no one truly knows the code for Vista except Microsoft. I am pretty certain that if Compiz was ever ported it would bring your system to an almost unusable halt. Xorg operates under totally different principals than the Windows GUI. Also, if ever ported it would have to be recoded from scratch, period.

With Windows, there simply is no true open source community that functions the way the Linux community does. This is the thing I love about Linux most. When I want to do something on my computer it is never a question of can it be done. It is merely a question of how hard one wants to work to have it done, with the exception of drivers (granted even these you could code yourself).

I enjoy messing with my interface, gui etc. I have had the pleasure and pains of installing Gentoo 64 when AMD 64’s first came out. and in the end that is why I have Windows still, sometimes I don’t care to worry about having a new application compile without an error where I have to hop into the code and create a diff.

Point being, both have ups and downs, Windows will never be as stable as Linux, ever. In the future, I see Linux taking a greater hold of the desktop market. OSX is to an extent posix compliant and so is Linux, hence no Mac opinion, to me its roughly the same OS.

That being said, you can look up very old screenshots of my desktops on lynucs.org under the username nvrpunk. That was all pre-Compiz.

Tim

i am also a macian, but installed ubuntu feisty on it parallely (i used linux before buying the mac). Now, as I have the mac, I can’t understand how I could deal with those linux applications–gnome is ok, but on the mac, everything works together, you can work so efficient… That is the reason why I, though highly impressed by beryl, won’t re-switch to Linux… I agree with Graham, beryl for OSX would be the real beat–work efficiency combined with eye candy you can play with when tired of work…

However,
I am not good enough in programming to help with a beryl port, but would really appreciate beryl on OSX using Quartz–I mean, the main requirements are given with it, so I can’t imagine this would be too hard!

Keep me informed.
Xjs

DesktopManager is open source, and stable, although it hasn’t been updated in a long time.

DesktopManager provides some of the cube effect features of Beryl as well as multiple desktops and more, and it doesn’t produce any lag on my new iMac 24″.
(it combines the best of speed, gloss and usability for Mac).

DesktopManager needs a little bit of configuration to get the cube effect; however, it is easy to configure, and does allow for you to have more than 4 workspaces. If you want usability and gloss on your mac, this is the program for you.

Either way, I am happy with where beryl is going. I am noticing a few bugs on my Debian machine using KDE underneath Beryl, but maybe once the port it is “stable” I think it will all be kosher.

To try Beryl quick and easy: download the iso, burn it, put the disc in, reboot, login, start synaptic, reload synaptic, search for dkms_97xx or your driver set, it will want to restart x, do so, log back in, start>configuration>other>Beryl Manager, and you are all set to try Beryl :)

Have fun…

I see very little in there that I want to use or don’t already use on my Mac. In fact, many of it’s feature list is already on my Mac, minus the Cube and the Aero effects.

The Alt+Tab equivilent on my Mac also makes far more sense. Command+Tab will switch me between Applications and Command+` will switch me between windows in the current Application.

Also you can already zoom in using Ctrl+Scroll. I find it quite useful, but only in a few situations.

The rest is just eye candy (like the Genie effect) and it’s essentially a cross between Aqua/Expose and Aero + a Cube.

Sebastian

Ubuntu 7.04 comes with almost everything one could need, including office, mediaplayers with semiautomatic codec handleing and stuff like that. For playing win games or using win software there is always Wine (www.winehq) or cedega (www.transgaming.com) and both choices works pretty good (at least for me).

Well just a thought!

The X.org server for Windows doesn’t support hardware-accelerated OpenGL yet, so that has to be fixed first.

Afterwards, you would have to port Beryl.

It is a common misconception amongst users of Windows or Mac operating systems (ie. non-open source) to think that if something is not at version 1 it is immature, incomplete or just not up to par.

The OSS movement has a completely different approach to software versioning. Traditional commercial software versioning is more of a contest to get the higher version numbers put out because that makes the app look better and make more money (pretty much)

OSS versioning is quite different. They get an idea of everything they eventually want to put out by version 1, and they don’t release version 1 until that happens. Just because something is at version 0.2 does not mean anything bad about it, because it doesn’t matter what you call it. Version 0.2 is merely 2 / 10. What’s the difference if you start something and call it v 0.1 vs. v1 ? It’s still the software’s first release.

It is merely a cosmetic difference that literally doesn’t mean much in terms of the software’s maturity.

In terms of Vista, if it was as “mature” as you say it is, then I wouldn’t know people that had to switch back to XP because their sound card drivers caused Direct3D framerate drops, etc, when they have top of the line Soundblaster cards (ie. pretty much the card that is the most popular in a Windows environment).

Also the fact that Vista pretty much stole every one of its desktop management features from OS X, where as Beryl is a little more original and a little more focused on what the USERS want, vs what the company wants, which is the exact point of this blog entry.

I agree with you about a lot of the Linux stuff though, it does seem pretty primitive compared to OS X’s Finder and Windows Explorer, but these companies need to realize that instead of copying each other they perhaps should listen to what the user wants.

Yes, Apple’s interface and OS is VERY nice indeed, but their arrogance of “we know what’s best for our users” sometimes jumps up to bite you in the *** every now and then when you simply CANNOT DO something you want to do because they think “Why would you ever want to do that?”

It is a nice 3d desktop manager, but it has one very big flaw.

The rotation is possible only horizontally.

Go back to the link and see for yourself.

want the berryl cube on Win XP?
Use Yod’ m 3D (Yet anOther Desktop Manager 3D) on

http://chsalmon.club.fr/index……m-3d-about

Nice Blog, bye!

http://chsalmon.club.fr/index.php?en/Yod-m-3d-about

Nice Blog, bye!

You have to reboot to get it to index something? And you find that acceptable? I actually wasn’t complaining about their indexer, that part is fine it seems at least for the basics.

I was referring to the UI which returns a very small set of results (WHY is it paged? This isn’t a web UI), has no preview support, no detail/property editing (and only very, very basic detail viewing) – lame sorting support, no controllable grouping support, no useful filtering mechanism, no column selection, and so on. It’s a search box and a listview – you might as well use the command line. They’ve got a long ways to go before Beagle can compete with the main Windows desktop search solutions, or Spotlight.

@Mitchel – I didn’t know the word I used (it wasn’t SH–) was going to be filtered, which made my last post read a bit differently than I intended =)