Comments on: Open Source Web Browser http://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/ News and Reviews! Geek, Internet Entrepreneur, Hardware Addict, Software Junkie, Book Author, Once TV Show Host, Technology Enthusiast, Shameless Self-Promoter, Tech Conference Coordinator, Early Adopter, Idea Evangelist, Tech Support Blogger, Bootstrapper, Media Personality, Technology Consultant, Thicker Quicker Picker Upper. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:33:24 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: open source - Lockergnome swicki - powered by eureksterhttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-653512 open source - Lockergnome swicki - powered by eurekster Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:25:08 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-653512 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Open Source Web Browser ~ Chris Pirillo [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Open Source Web Browser ~ Chris Pirillo [...]

]]> By: Schmal001http://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-594533 Schmal001 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:22:41 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-594533 There's problems with all of them, IE7 is not that fast and takes up around 40 to 50 mb of RAM. Safari is exellent but takes up 60 to 80 mb of RAM. And I like Firefox probably the best because it supports Flash and Java really well, unlike on my computer Java has disapeared which makes it really hard to go on to interactive sites.But Firefox took care of the problem! There’s problems with all of them, IE7 is not that fast and takes up around 40 to 50 mb of RAM. Safari is exellent but takes up 60 to 80 mb of RAM. And I like Firefox probably the best because it supports Flash and Java really well, unlike on my computer Java has disapeared which makes it really hard to go on to interactive sites.But Firefox took care of the problem!

]]> By: Chrishttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-361459 Chris Tue, 22 May 2007 15:27:45 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-361459 Good article. I find myself using Opera at home, Firefox on my "dev" machine at work and IE7 on my "operations" machine. Each has strong and weak points for sure.The developer oriented plugins for Firefox are awesome (web dev and firebug for examples), but the "memory issue" does get tedious.One way to help a bit with FF memory beyond what's already mentioned here is the <a href="http://www.solo-technology.com/blog/2005/12/23/quick-firefox-tweak-free-mem/" rel="nofollow">trim_on_minimize trick</a>. Opera and IE7 both release memory when minimized. With this little tweak, so does Firefox. Good article. I find myself using Opera at home, Firefox on my “dev” machine at work and IE7 on my “operations” machine. Each has strong and weak points for sure.

The developer oriented plugins for Firefox are awesome (web dev and firebug for examples), but the “memory issue” does get tedious.

One way to help a bit with FF memory beyond what’s already mentioned here is the trim_on_minimize trick. Opera and IE7 both release memory when minimized. With this little tweak, so does Firefox.

]]> By: Palhttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-361427 Pal Tue, 22 May 2007 14:56:01 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-361427 As far as speed, I don't mind waiting an extra 5-6 seconds for FF to open if it saves me a second or two on every page from there. Page rendering has more to do with bad site design anyway. If designers learned to properly code layouts with CSS, there might be even more demand for standards compliance too. But provide a clunky tool like frontpage or whatever it's called now, which removes most of the thought procecss for proper coding, and the browser is secondary concerning speed. As far as speed, I don’t mind waiting an extra 5-6 seconds for FF to open if it saves me a second or two on every page from there. Page rendering has more to do with bad site design anyway. If designers learned to properly code layouts with CSS, there might be even more demand for standards compliance too. But provide a clunky tool like frontpage or whatever it’s called now, which removes most of the thought procecss for proper coding, and the browser is secondary concerning speed.

]]> By: Tylerhttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-361403 Tyler Tue, 22 May 2007 14:31:01 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-361403 Ok, I do agree with some points in there. And unlike most people who write against Firefox, you actually had some good points to back it up. Hopefully some of the things they mention do get fixed in 3.0, but ya just gotta wait. Anyway, hope to see your future posts. Ok, I do agree with some points in there. And unlike most people who write against Firefox, you actually had some good points to back it up. Hopefully some of the things they mention do get fixed in 3.0, but ya just gotta wait. Anyway, hope to see your future posts.

]]> By: Robin Zalekhttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-361384 Robin Zalek Tue, 22 May 2007 14:11:26 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-361384 Firefox Myths... unbiased? Hardly!While it makes some valid points, it also takes a number of claims to extremes; taking comments posted by random web-user #5,672,884 (e.g. "Firefox is secure", "Extensions are safe", "Firefox is bug free") as relied upon statements used by the whole community. Or taking a statement on a test build ("Firefox passes Acid2") and calling it a myth by applying it only to released builds (indeed I have Gran Paradiso on my system and that does indeed render Acid2 perfectly.)Note clearly that I'm a *huge* Opera fan, regardless that page is just loaded with the undigested remnants of edible goods.I do however find it amazing that Firefox's page caching can use up so much more memory that Opera's, cache less pages, and still be slower (in my experience.) There's room for improvement, but the concept of caching back and forward in history is otherwise an excellent one.Chris: What do you consider currently wrong with the Opera UI as seen in v9? Firefox Myths… unbiased? Hardly!

While it makes some valid points, it also takes a number of claims to extremes; taking comments posted by random web-user #5,672,884 (e.g. “Firefox is secure”, “Extensions are safe”, “Firefox is bug free”) as relied upon statements used by the whole community. Or taking a statement on a test build (”Firefox passes Acid2″) and calling it a myth by applying it only to released builds (indeed I have Gran Paradiso on my system and that does indeed render Acid2 perfectly.)

Note clearly that I’m a *huge* Opera fan, regardless that page is just loaded with the undigested remnants of edible goods.

I do however find it amazing that Firefox’s page caching can use up so much more memory that Opera’s, cache less pages, and still be slower (in my experience.) There’s room for improvement, but the concept of caching back and forward in history is otherwise an excellent one.

Chris: What do you consider currently wrong with the Opera UI as seen in v9?

]]> By: John Belangerhttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-361273 John Belanger Tue, 22 May 2007 12:32:08 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-361273 Oh I don't know. The increase in security and the open source aspect if Firefox just seem to make me feel secure. I can't prove it, only feel it. IE on the other hand hasn't really done anything with IE7 other than try to force folks into Windows XP. Not nice, not nice at all. Firefox has just been a good secure, fast browser. I need IE for Windows update, that's it. I can live quite well without the proprietary stuff IE handles.John Belanger Oh I don’t know. The increase in security and the open source aspect if Firefox just seem to make me feel secure. I can’t prove it, only feel it. IE on the other hand hasn’t really done anything with IE7 other than try to force folks into Windows XP. Not nice, not nice at all. Firefox has just been a good secure, fast browser. I need IE for Windows update, that’s it. I can live quite well without the proprietary stuff IE handles.

John Belanger

]]> By: Matt Hartleyhttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-360305 Matt Hartley Mon, 21 May 2007 19:25:04 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-360305 I found this page to be fairly unbiased on its reporting on the different browsers. This even goes onto say that IE 7 is better with RAM than Firefox is. Check it out. ;)http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html I found this page to be fairly unbiased on its reporting on the different browsers. This even goes onto say that IE 7 is better with RAM than Firefox is. Check it out. ;)

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html

]]> By: Matt Hartleyhttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-360302 Matt Hartley Mon, 21 May 2007 19:22:51 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-360302 Just so everyone is clear - there is *no such thing as a Firefox memory leak*, it is a backwards caching 'feature" that unfortunately, sucks up resources faster than the blink of an eye. This is why some pages run more poorly than others.It is fair to say, that this is a poorly thought out feature that causes more harm than good and should be shelved once and for all. I hate it, think it should be done away with, but do not in anyway shape or form believe that it should continued to be mislabeled.The fix is an easy one: http://tinyurl.com/yz62od(excuse the reference to the older version of Firefox)"Firefox 1.5 implements a Back-Forward cache that retains the rendered document for the last five session history entries for each tab. This is a lot of data. If you have a lot of tabs, Firefox's memory usage can climb dramatically. It's a trade-off. What you get out of it is faster performance as you navigate the web."Until Blake and friends get this fixed, I would suggest the link above. Just so everyone is clear – there is *no such thing as a Firefox memory leak*, it is a backwards caching ‘feature” that unfortunately, sucks up resources faster than the blink of an eye. This is why some pages run more poorly than others.

It is fair to say, that this is a poorly thought out feature that causes more harm than good and should be shelved once and for all. I hate it, think it should be done away with, but do not in anyway shape or form believe that it should continued to be mislabeled.

The fix is an easy one:
http://tinyurl.com/yz62od

(excuse the reference to the older version of Firefox)

“Firefox 1.5 implements a Back-Forward cache that retains the rendered document for the last five session history entries for each tab. This is a lot of data. If you have a lot of tabs, Firefox’s memory usage can climb dramatically. It’s a trade-off. What you get out of it is faster performance as you navigate the web.”

Until Blake and friends get this fixed, I would suggest the link above.

]]> By: Salocin.TENhttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-359983 Salocin.TEN Mon, 21 May 2007 14:42:03 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-359983 Hello Chris Pirillo.Have you heard of Flock? www.flock.com Hello Chris Pirillo.

Have you heard of Flock? http://www.flock.com

]]> By: LoneEhttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-359844 LoneE Mon, 21 May 2007 12:52:02 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-359844 This comment is for Chris. In Firefox and in IE, the little thumbnail pictures in the banner spill onto a second line when the browser window is not wide enough. When this happens, it covers part of the first two lines of your post (main title and the date and time of the post). It was most annoying until I found out that I could get rid of them by widening the window. But others with smaller screens may not be able to do so. This comment is for Chris.
In Firefox and in IE, the little thumbnail pictures in the banner spill onto a second line when the browser window is not wide enough. When this happens, it covers part of the first two lines of your post (main title and the date and time of the post). It was most annoying until I found out that I could get rid of them by widening the window. But others with smaller screens may not be able to do so.

]]> By: Firefox Factshttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-397497 Firefox Facts Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-397497 <!--%kramer-pre%-->interviewed me for his article: More Firefox Bloat- Say It Ain’t So, Mozilla. I offered so much more than a single sentence to his original query, so I thought I’d pass along the discourse (and my own self-correction) here… Firefox fan or not - check out Pirillo’s post. It’s well worth your time. Related Articles at Firefox Facts:Firefox User PanelHow Do I Download Firefox?Learn Firefox - A Visual Guide to the BrowserWhat is Mozilla Firefox?Firefox PhoneGo Meet Foxkeh<!--%kramer-post%--> interviewed me for his article: More Firefox Bloat- Say It Ain’t So, Mozilla. I offered so much more than a single sentence to his original query, so I thought I’d pass along the discourse (and my own self-correction) here… Firefox fan or not – check out Pirillo’s post. It’s well worth your time. Related Articles at Firefox Facts:Firefox User PanelHow Do I Download Firefox?Learn Firefox – A Visual Guide to the BrowserWhat is Mozilla Firefox?Firefox PhoneGo Meet Foxkeh

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]]> By: Get Picasahttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-362575 Get Picasa Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-362575 <!--%kramer-pre%--> Easter Egg; Open Source Saves the Day; AOL Suing Microsoft; Camtasia Studio is not CamStudio; Download Stellarium; Weird, Strange, and Odd USB Gadgets; I Don't Get It; URLs in Spoofed Files. Full note: By Chris <!--%kramer-post%--> Easter Egg; Open Source Saves the Day; AOL Suing Microsoft; Camtasia Studio is not CamStudio; Download Stellarium; Weird, Strange, and Odd USB Gadgets; I Don’t Get It; URLs in Spoofed Files. Full note: By Chris

]]> By: Enterprise Architecture: Thought Leadershiphttp://chris.pirillo.com/open-source-web-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-362574 Enterprise Architecture: Thought Leadership Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/05/21/open-source-web-browser/#comment-362574 <!--%kramer-pre%-->but realistically north of $250K when everything is included. That’s a lot of money by anyone’s standards. Many vendors spend a LOT more. I wonder why vendors don't consider an investment in getting their CTO's to blog as a better usage of cash? Open Source Web Browser Is Mozilla Firefox bloated? I can attest that memory usage has been less efficient in later releases. Commercial Open Source is a juggling act I wonder when folks will start noodling that the model of open source doesn't have to be commercial? What<!--%kramer-post%--> but realistically north of $250K when everything is included. That’s a lot of money by anyone’s standards. Many vendors spend a LOT more. I wonder why vendors don’t consider an investment in getting their CTO’s to blog as a better usage of cash? Open Source Web Browser Is Mozilla Firefox bloated? I can attest that memory usage has been less efficient in later releases. Commercial Open Source is a juggling act I wonder when folks will start noodling that the model of open source doesn’t have to be commercial? What

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