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On Drunk Driving
Seems that one of yesterday's entries sparked a slight controversy…:
Lockergnomie Ben Oddo:
Honestly, do you really think that having a consumer breathalyzer would really curb alcohol related vehicular collisions? Not really. Anyone who has been drinking and is aware of their own sobriety and tolerance to alcohol knows when to stop drinking, and those who are obviously drunk don' t need a breathalyzer. Having such technology installed in restaurants and bars is pointless since its use would be voluntary. Even if it were to be used by someone legally drunk, what is to prevent that same person from driving? Only a person's sense of responsibility and community would stop him or her from driving, and a breathalyzer is not needed for that.
Technology won't solve the problem of drunk driving and it's about time that we stop prostituting technology for our own common sense. The human brain is like any other organ in the body, the less it is used the more it will atrophy.
As far as the Tracey Gold is concerned, all we know is that the behemoth she drove rolled over. Do we know why? Maybe alcohol wasn't a factor in the mishap. It could be that she took a turn too fast for the SUV she drove (which by the way happens to many sober drivers as well). Perhaps had she been driving a conventional car rather than an unstable SUV she wouldn't have rolled over, no one would have been injured and her driving record would be clean.
The point is, her choice of vehicle probably had more to do with the crash and injuries than alcohol. State governments have too long turned a blind eye to the hazards of placing unqualified drivers behind the wheel of large, unstable SUVs. This is just another case of shifting the blame away from deficiencies in licensing drivers for the vehicles they drive. Such a licensing model would not be in the interests of the carmakers, would it?
Lockergnomie Bruce Davey:
I read with interest your story on Tracey Gold and her DUI ( We call it OUIL in Michigan) I agree with your assesment that placing some breathlizers in commercial establishments might be a good idea.
But, my primary reason for writing is that I must disagree with a portion of your story regarding the 2 glasses of wine. Having recently retired from 25 years in law enforcement, I have heard at least a thousand times from drunk drivers how they only had 2 drinks. This is a big misconception on the part of the public. A person is not going to blow impaired on 2 glasses of wine unless maybe the glasses hold about 2 or 3 pints each.
Granted, each scenerio for reaching a BAC is different depending on time spent drinking, the body weight of the individual involved, when you ate last, etc. But truth be known, it takes a fair amount of alcohol to make someone impaired or legally intoxicated. In fact, in theory you could drink one glass of wine an hour and barely register on a breathtest. This is due to fact that alcohol metabolizes ( Spelled that wrong for sure) at about a rate of 1 ounce an hour which would be the equivilent of a shot of booze, a glass of wine or can of beer. So basicly, using that formula, if you drank only 2 glasses of wine during a 2 hour party, the alcohol should barely register at all. Although food in the stomach can delay the entry of alcohol into the blood stream depending on when you last ate.
Having observed many breathalizer tests in 25 years as well as giving hundreds of PBTs to various people, it irks me when people try to claim they only had 2 drinks but yet blow .08 or higher on a test. ( I have actually seen practiced drunks blow as high as .36 and .40 which for most people is alcohol poisoning)
Just for the record, I do consume intoxicants myself from time to time. Back around 10 years ago, I decided to do a little test on myself. My wife and I had gone out and in the course of about 2 1/2 hours, I drank about 15 mixed drinks (whiskey) and after that my wife drove me to my department where I took a breathtest. Granted I am 6-6 and in those days weighed in around 260 lbs so my system can handle more than lets say a woman who weighs in around 120. But when I took my breathtest approx 20 mins after my last drink, I didn't even blow half way to impaired.
Living in an area where drunk driving is a major problem and having dealt with it for so many years, I commend you on taking on this issue that is become a national problem. I also don't want this to sound like I am promoting drinking and driving. But, I just wanted to write to you to mention that if you hear someone claim to have been arrested for 2 drinks, to take this with a grain of salt as this is one of the oldest stories in the book for drunks who get arrested and in reality it doesn't happen that way. I just wanted to set the record straight for you as the 2 drink story has been around a long time and most of the public believe it as gospel.
Thanks for taking the time to read my long winded letter and keep up the great articles.
I don't drink often, but even when I do – I always pass the keys to someone else.
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9 Comments
Anonymous
February 23rd, 2005
at 1:16pm
I thought that both responses were interesting. Large SUVs are inherently unsafe under the best of conditions and people under the influence tend to underestimate the amount they've had to drink when talking to the police, so both perspectives are valid.
I'm with Chris, I rarely imbibe & my non-drinking other half is always the designated driver.
Anonymous
February 23rd, 2005
at 3:00pm
I can't believe someone would have the opinion that public breathalyzers wouldn't help.
We do have public breathalyzers here and there in Toronto. One time, I had a few too many drinks and I used it. I blew over the limit and decided to spend some extra hours on the practice greens. Eventually, I blew well under the limit and I drove home.
That's called WORKING!
Randy Charles Morin
http://www.kbcafe.com
Anonymous
February 23rd, 2005
at 3:03pm
I can't believe someone would have the opinion that public breathalyzers wouldn't help.
We do have public breathalyzers here and there in Toronto. One time, I had a few too many drinks and I used it. I blew over the limit and decided to spend some extra hours on the practice greens. Eventually, I blew well under the limit and I drove home.
That's called WORKING!
Randy Charles Morin
http://www.kbcafe.com
Anonymous
February 24th, 2005
at 1:17am
Dear Chris,
I think your comments on drunk driving are among the most naive I have read by a public figure in quite some time. I spent 30+ years as a trial lawyer in the New Jersey and Federal Court systems. Most of my career was as a defense attorney for individuals and corporations sued for money damages. In 90% of the cases involving alcohol, the particular defendant had little to no idea he was as intoxicated as later testing determined. All the rational judgments that you have an individual making before driving and after drinking are exactly the faculties impaired first and most by the consumption. No, the availability of public use breathalyzers won't stop drunk driving on its own, but think of how many lives it may save as a group of people leave a bar or restaurant and decide to have some fun with the machine, only to learn they are over the legal limit. Even if the awareness is only of the penalty to be paid if stopped and only one in ten turns the keys over to another in the group who is sober, there is value in that. Regards, Bob Hallas
Anonymous
February 24th, 2005
at 4:31pm
It would be nice to see a day when people didn't worry if they were “over the limit” or not before driving. That just means that your concern is about getting a ticket, or losing your license. You should be more concerned about have an accident and killing other people on the road, or your passengers.
If you have had 1 drink, regardless of your body mass or experience, your reaction times are reduced. You should hand the keys to someone else until at least 1-2 hours for every drink has passed since you finished it. Then you don't have to worry about trying to figure out if you are legal or not – because you are being responsible.
Curtis
Anonymous
March 2nd, 2005
at 8:24pm
DWI, drunk driving, dui, and a license to drink.
Madd, sadd, radd, A.A., and Alanon related.
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The answer to the problem of drunk driving, etc. could be this; a permit for the purchase and consumption of alcohol beverages.
This would not only be a major assault on the problem of drunk driving, but would also have an effect on virtually all other crimes such as these;
murder, rape, assault, burglary, robbery, suicide, vandalism, wife beating, child beating, child molestation, the spread of aids, college binge drinking, animal cruelty, etc., the list is endless.
If this proposition was made law, there could be a major reduction in all these areas of concern, even though the emphasis concerning alcohol abuse seems to be drunk driving in particular.
There could also be many other positive results;
families healed, better work performance, booze money spent on products that would help the economy (we've all heard of the guy who spends half his check in the bar on payday,) would spare many health problems, etc.
This new law could go something like this:
Any person found guilty of any crime where drinking was a factor would lose the right to purchase and/or consume alcohol beverages.
For a first misdemeanor, a three year revocation. a second misdemeanor, a ten year revocation. a third misdemeanor, a lifetime revocation. Any felony crime, an automatic lifetime revocation.
Anyone caught drinking alcohol without a permit would receive a possible $1000 fine and/or jail sentence. those who would supply alcohol to people without a drinking permit (and possibly make money at it,) would also lose his/her right to purchase alcohol beverages.
What wife or husband would buy an alcoholic spouse a bottle?
What friend would give a problem drinker a drink at the possible cost of a thousand bucks and the loss of their own privilege? This could be a total discouragement to these would-be pushers.
This permit doesn't seem as though it would be a problem to put into effect. It could simply be a large X, or whatever, on the back of any drivers license in any state, to show who has been revoked, and cannot purchase alcohol.
Most people of drinking age have a driver's license, but one area that might be a problem could be New York City, where many people don't drive.
This problem could be resolved, however, by a license-type I.D. specifically for the purchase of alcohol beverages. Most, if not all states have these already for the purpose of identification.
This could be a small price to pay for the saved lives of thousands of Americans each and every year.
After this, it would simply be a matter of drinking establishments checking I.D.s at the time of purchase.
In the case of crowded bars, they could simply check I.D.s at the door, as they do now.
Would this be a violation of rights?
There can be no argument here since they already check I.D.s of people who look as though they may not be old enough to drink.
This could be a good saying, “If a person who doesn't know how to drive shouldn't have a license to drive, a person who doesn't know how to drink shouldn't have a license to drink.”
Here are some other pluses to this idea:
A good percentage of people in correctional institutions are there because of alcohol related offences . Because of this, court, penal, and law enforcement costs could drop dramatically.
The need for A.A., ALANON, MADD, SADD, etc., could be greatly diminished as well.
What the alcoholic fears most, is the temptation to have that first drink, usually a spur of the moment type thing. Without the ability to do this, he/she is fairly safe. To start drinking again would almost have to be planned in advance. and to maintain steady drinking would be extremely difficult, in most cases.
Even though A.A. members as a group don't become involved in political movements, it seems as individuals, they would all be in favor of a situation like this. Any person who wants to quit drinking, even if never having been in trouble with the law, could simply turn in their license for the non-drinking type.
A woman from MAAD, on the NBC TODAY show, said “One out of every ten Americans has a drinking problem, and that 10% consumes 60% of all alcohol beverages sold in the U.S..”
If this is true, there could be financial problems for breweries, liquor stores, bars, rehab centers, etc., as well as lawyers, massive amounts of tax revenue 'down the drain,' and so on.
But it doesn't seem as though anyone would have a valid argument against a proposal such as this for financial reasons. To do so would be morally wrong, and could be likened to a drug-pusher attitude.
Even with the problems this new law could present, it still could, in one sense, be considered the simple solution to the number one drug problem in the U.S. and elsewhere. Alcoholism.
P.S.
What ever happened to the skid row drunk?
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Anonymous
March 3rd, 2005
at 11:57am
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Anonymous
May 5th, 2005
at 7:45am
IT IS STUPID AND IF YOU DO IT you THE DRUNK DRIVER NEEDS TO DIE NOT THE INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD BE KILLING
Evan Williams
March 12th, 2007
at 11:19pm
I think everyone needs to find something more productive to do with their surplus of time.