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		<title>By: Peter Martins</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-771713</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Martins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to install the new versions of MS Office 2010 and AutoCAD 2010 because I&#039;m scared to be set back. But I hate it with all my guts, it slows me down, and it&#039;s dangerously reorganizing my neurons and making me take wrong decisions daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to install the new versions of MS Office 2010 and AutoCAD 2010 because I&#8217;m scared to be set back. But I hate it with all my guts, it slows me down, and it&#8217;s dangerously reorganizing my neurons and making me take wrong decisions daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Stinson</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-768499</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Stinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 22:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear to God, I am trying to get used to the ribbon but I&#039;ve been using Office 2010 now for over six months and I absolutely can&#039;t stand it.  The longer I use it, the more I hate it.

Every time I need to use some obscure function that I knew exactly how to do before, I now have to divert myself for 10 minutes or more of research to figure it out.  And even when I&#039;ve learned the new way, I don&#039;t find it to be any better or easier to use than it wsa before.  I see no advantage to the new way.

As other&#039;s have mentioned, it totally annoys me that I have to waste so much of my screen space with icons that I never or rarely use.

I cannot even begin to relate to people who say this new interface is a good idea.  I&#039;ve been a Windows user since the beginning and I usually like Microsoft products.  But when I open an Office 2010 tool, it&#039;s almost always a negative experience for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear to God, I am trying to get used to the ribbon but I&#8217;ve been using Office 2010 now for over six months and I absolutely can&#8217;t stand it.  The longer I use it, the more I hate it.</p>
<p>Every time I need to use some obscure function that I knew exactly how to do before, I now have to divert myself for 10 minutes or more of research to figure it out.  And even when I&#8217;ve learned the new way, I don&#8217;t find it to be any better or easier to use than it wsa before.  I see no advantage to the new way.</p>
<p>As other&#8217;s have mentioned, it totally annoys me that I have to waste so much of my screen space with icons that I never or rarely use.</p>
<p>I cannot even begin to relate to people who say this new interface is a good idea.  I&#8217;ve been a Windows user since the beginning and I usually like Microsoft products.  But when I open an Office 2010 tool, it&#8217;s almost always a negative experience for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason F.</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-756819</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ribbon bar is good for people who don&#039;t bother to read/experiment with the menus and never learned the features that were there.

As a &quot;Fluent User&quot; I found the Ribbon a distraction that took up precious real estate.  I use a Netbook and the screen space is at a premium.  I was such an avid MS Office fan until 2007.  Now I exclusively use Open Office.org for all of my office needs   I can keep my menus, change my menus, change my icon themes.  Best of all it is free.  Microsoft lost me (a fluent user) as a customer but probably gained more users who aren&#039;t as fluent who think the whiz-bang-handholding-lead you by the nose ribbon bar is the greatest thing since sliced white......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ribbon bar is good for people who don&#8217;t bother to read/experiment with the menus and never learned the features that were there.</p>
<p>As a &#8220;Fluent User&#8221; I found the Ribbon a distraction that took up precious real estate.  I use a Netbook and the screen space is at a premium.  I was such an avid MS Office fan until 2007.  Now I exclusively use Open Office.org for all of my office needs   I can keep my menus, change my menus, change my icon themes.  Best of all it is free.  Microsoft lost me (a fluent user) as a customer but probably gained more users who aren&#8217;t as fluent who think the whiz-bang-handholding-lead you by the nose ribbon bar is the greatest thing since sliced white&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John H.</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-749368</link>
		<dc:creator>John H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 01:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For real experienced users, the ribbon is less efficient than the menu/toolbar system

1) Ribbon has more clicks to get to function
The ribbon is less efficient in terms of button clicks to get a function done, even if you get used to it and know what you are going to do. If you pay attention, you will find that to do the same task with a ribbon menu takes on the average an extra click, compared to the toolbar/menu system. It comes from having to transfer between the high screen real estate ribbons, rather than having a set of small selective toolbars.

2) Ribbon takes up more screen real estate compared to toolbar system.
You have lost screen real estate to the toolbar. You need to scroll around your data a tad more to make up for the ribbon taking up more screen real estate. In the old toolbar system, every toolbar could be cusomized to just what you used. You could reduce the toolbars to take up low screen real estate and have them very selective in content. In the Ribbon, you have one toolbar to customize, but it does not reduce the screen real estate taken up by the ribbon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For real experienced users, the ribbon is less efficient than the menu/toolbar system</p>
<p>1) Ribbon has more clicks to get to function<br />
The ribbon is less efficient in terms of button clicks to get a function done, even if you get used to it and know what you are going to do. If you pay attention, you will find that to do the same task with a ribbon menu takes on the average an extra click, compared to the toolbar/menu system. It comes from having to transfer between the high screen real estate ribbons, rather than having a set of small selective toolbars.</p>
<p>2) Ribbon takes up more screen real estate compared to toolbar system.<br />
You have lost screen real estate to the toolbar. You need to scroll around your data a tad more to make up for the ribbon taking up more screen real estate. In the old toolbar system, every toolbar could be cusomized to just what you used. You could reduce the toolbars to take up low screen real estate and have them very selective in content. In the Ribbon, you have one toolbar to customize, but it does not reduce the screen real estate taken up by the ribbon.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger @ !</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-740255</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger @ !</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demand that Julie Larson-Green the idiot that made ribbon give people the option of the old menu system. I hate to say this but this woman gives professional women a bad name and the idiots at Microsoft have made her a VP - God help us all!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demand that Julie Larson-Green the idiot that made ribbon give people the option of the old menu system. I hate to say this but this woman gives professional women a bad name and the idiots at Microsoft have made her a VP &#8211; God help us all!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-738469</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only do you have to learn the locations of all the new menus all over again, but most of the advanced features are totally missing from the menu system.  So no matter how much you search for the advanced function, you simply are not going to find it.  There isnt even an &#039;Advanced&#039; Menu allowing you to select the Advanced Feature you want which in turn adds the feature you use to the menu system.  Nooooo.  As David said, you now have to go and search for that Advanced Menu, with the added bonus that it probably isnt called what you knew it as in Office 2003.

I&#039;m all for change so long as an appropriate upgrade is provided.  I sure hope Micorosft is working on their own 3rd party add-on to fix this oversight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only do you have to learn the locations of all the new menus all over again, but most of the advanced features are totally missing from the menu system.  So no matter how much you search for the advanced function, you simply are not going to find it.  There isnt even an &#8216;Advanced&#8217; Menu allowing you to select the Advanced Feature you want which in turn adds the feature you use to the menu system.  Nooooo.  As David said, you now have to go and search for that Advanced Menu, with the added bonus that it probably isnt called what you knew it as in Office 2003.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for change so long as an appropriate upgrade is provided.  I sure hope Micorosft is working on their own 3rd party add-on to fix this oversight.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wilson</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-713963</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more voice crying out in the wilderness, &quot;Give me back my menus&quot;.  I&#039;ve been trying to like the ribbon for 9 months.  Between hunting for things that make no sense where they hid them, having to fire up the help system to find a command, and the lack of keyboard shortcuts, the ribbon is a  disaster.  I&#039;m heading off to go figure out if I can make a go of it with OpenOffice;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more voice crying out in the wilderness, &#8220;Give me back my menus&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve been trying to like the ribbon for 9 months.  Between hunting for things that make no sense where they hid them, having to fire up the help system to find a command, and the lack of keyboard shortcuts, the ribbon is a  disaster.  I&#8217;m heading off to go figure out if I can make a go of it with OpenOffice;.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-713503</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 10:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have owned and run a computer service business for 15 years. I have seen all of the so-called &quot;UPGRADES&quot; that software providers have tried shoving down our throats since the &#039;80&#039;s. 9 out of 10 times, they will remove a useful feature and replace it with a ridiculous one. Don&#039;t you software companies think it&#039;s way beyond the time to start asking the users what they really want and recommend in a &quot;new&quot; version? Oh, and as for the ribbon bar... I only install Office 2003 on all of my clients&#039; systems. Does that answer your question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have owned and run a computer service business for 15 years. I have seen all of the so-called &#8220;UPGRADES&#8221; that software providers have tried shoving down our throats since the &#8217;80&#8242;s. 9 out of 10 times, they will remove a useful feature and replace it with a ridiculous one. Don&#8217;t you software companies think it&#8217;s way beyond the time to start asking the users what they really want and recommend in a &#8220;new&#8221; version? Oh, and as for the ribbon bar&#8230; I only install Office 2003 on all of my clients&#8217; systems. Does that answer your question?</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-712791</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Russ.  If I had to &quot;Learn&quot; something new all over again I might as well go with a software package that allows choices.  I moved to Open Office 3.01 and haven&#039;t looked back.  The learning curve was also much lower than I expected as the &quot;menus&quot; are quite similar.

I have a VM with O2k7 in it just because work requires that I send in the new file format.  I really hope that when we (my company) moves from Lotus to Outlook that I can use &quot;menus&quot;.  If not then I&#039;ll be installing Evolution to replace my Outlook client.


There is one thing I found very beneficial about the MS Ribbon bar.  It put commands all over the screen that most of my colleagues were too LAZY to go and find/read up on/press F1 for in 2003.  They now think that all of the features they are &quot;finding&quot; are NEW....so usability is better for the lame users.  We power users....might just have been lost to MS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Russ.  If I had to &#8220;Learn&#8221; something new all over again I might as well go with a software package that allows choices.  I moved to Open Office 3.01 and haven&#8217;t looked back.  The learning curve was also much lower than I expected as the &#8220;menus&#8221; are quite similar.</p>
<p>I have a VM with O2k7 in it just because work requires that I send in the new file format.  I really hope that when we (my company) moves from Lotus to Outlook that I can use &#8220;menus&#8221;.  If not then I&#8217;ll be installing Evolution to replace my Outlook client.</p>
<p>There is one thing I found very beneficial about the MS Ribbon bar.  It put commands all over the screen that most of my colleagues were too LAZY to go and find/read up on/press F1 for in 2003.  They now think that all of the features they are &#8220;finding&#8221; are NEW&#8230;.so usability is better for the lame users.  We power users&#8230;.might just have been lost to MS.</p>
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		<title>By: Shriyal Padte</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-710700</link>
		<dc:creator>Shriyal Padte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is totally frustrating to find simple stuff like save as, turn off: track changes. The pop up on right click is smarter; but why touch the menus is beyond me. Sounds more like, because they (MS) can, they did, not because it is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is totally frustrating to find simple stuff like save as, turn off: track changes. The pop up on right click is smarter; but why touch the menus is beyond me. Sounds more like, because they (MS) can, they did, not because it is better.</p>
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		<title>By: nah</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-710568</link>
		<dc:creator>nah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is c ra p</description>
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		<title>By: nah</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-710567</link>
		<dc:creator>nah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is crap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is crap</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-707469</link>
		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate the ribbon so much ive converted to openoffice - and im glad I did!... its much better than MS Orifice..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate the ribbon so much ive converted to openoffice &#8211; and im glad I did!&#8230; its much better than MS Orifice..</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-705249</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like it at all. Lost productivity goes the same in school as it does at work, and for me it amounts to suffering grades. However, I had to upgrade, as my teacher last year got the bright idea not to save any of her assignments in 2003 format and to only offer them online to save paper. So I was stuck with a decision: either cut my neck off to spite my head, or to literally slaughter myself gradewise. Now, I have one computer reserved for O2K3, and one for 2007. All in the name of productivity I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like it at all. Lost productivity goes the same in school as it does at work, and for me it amounts to suffering grades. However, I had to upgrade, as my teacher last year got the bright idea not to save any of her assignments in 2003 format and to only offer them online to save paper. So I was stuck with a decision: either cut my neck off to spite my head, or to literally slaughter myself gradewise. Now, I have one computer reserved for O2K3, and one for 2007. All in the name of productivity I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: B Davidson</title>
		<link>http://chris.pirillo.com/office-2007-ribbon-vs-menu/#comment-702489</link>
		<dc:creator>B Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still using Office 2003 for my PC and my employees&#039; PCs because this sounds like the &quot;New Coke&quot; debacle of 1985.  Coke got it wrong when they thought they&#039;d sell more Coke if they made it taste more like Pepsi. WRONG!  WRONG! WRONG! Thus, they switched it back and called it Coca-Cola Classic (and has been labeled as-such ever since). Likewise, PC users are accustomed to a certain interface.  PC users don&#039;t want a &quot;new windows&quot; that &quot;tastes&quot; more like a Mac.  They need a better experience without a steep learning curve, which in my case means lost productivity (in the short run, at least) for us as a company that I can&#039;t afford right now.  Maybe it will mean better productivity in the future, but I think I need to wait it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still using Office 2003 for my PC and my employees&#8217; PCs because this sounds like the &#8220;New Coke&#8221; debacle of 1985.  Coke got it wrong when they thought they&#8217;d sell more Coke if they made it taste more like Pepsi. WRONG!  WRONG! WRONG! Thus, they switched it back and called it Coca-Cola Classic (and has been labeled as-such ever since). Likewise, PC users are accustomed to a certain interface.  PC users don&#8217;t want a &#8220;new windows&#8221; that &#8220;tastes&#8221; more like a Mac.  They need a better experience without a steep learning curve, which in my case means lost productivity (in the short run, at least) for us as a company that I can&#8217;t afford right now.  Maybe it will mean better productivity in the future, but I think I need to wait it out.</p>
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