Don’t you dare call me a liberal you conservative horses ass!!!! I voted for George W. Bush both times!!!! And up until about a year ago thought he would go down in history as this one of the nations greatest leaders. But I, unlike you, are capable of thinking for myself.

I to was a believer in the Bush Administration and their sincere efforts in the WOT. I believed and still do to some extent in the invasion of Iraq because of their terrorist affiliations’ and WMDs. But simply put, not all of the administrations assertions have panned out. Things are not making much sense anymore, I’m trying very hard to justify my belief in Bush, but some of the things he says and does challenge the reasons I believed he was the right man for the job.

Then Loose Change comes around and BLAM!!!! I’m hit square in the face with more evidence that things are just not right in this country. And given that the conservatives have been running the show, what else am I to believe?

Ok, I admit, you have made some very valid points as to why some of the material in Loose Change maybe far-fetched. Perhaps 93 did go down in Shanksville (although I believe it was shot down) and maybe it wasn’t a missile that hit the Pentagon (I wish the CIA would release the video from surveillance camera’s) but you can’t say ALL of it is misguided.

I’m sorry I’ve gotten a little upset with my posts, but I guess it comes out of frustrations with IRAN and why we don’t just blow them up and the fact that our country is being overrun by illegal’s. It’s really bad here in South FL.

I really was a staunch conservative, and maybe I need to return to my roots. At least we got ourselves two really good Supreme Court judges and hopefully the end to abortion soon.

I’m going to do some further research on the sites you’ve listed, it’s just that there’s so much conflicting information, it gets hard to figure it all out.

I’m trying.

We’ve bashed each other about our political sides (although you are wrong if you believe what you seem to think about my political views), let’s keep it to the facts. It’s clear we aren’t in agreement about the government so I want to focus on your lack of knowledge on science and leave the politics out of it.

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You seem to be exhausted in dealing with me, and I would expect that coming from someone who supports leaders that are exhausted with negotiating with anyone and everyone on a global scale just because they hold a different belief system.
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Ok? Not sure where this is coming from??? You’re saying we should negotiate with the terrorists? Just how long do you expect to negotiate with anyone before you have to take action? From that statement you must be the type that is okay with being pushed around by the town bully without ever finally drawing a line and acting. You’re type makes most of America sick….. Grow a backbone…..

I know, you’d rather that the UN (along with all the criminals running it) try to work on the problem. We’ll all be dead before anything is done. They are as worthless as your arguments.

As far as your other websites (911truth.org, septembereleventh.org) both rely on attack and no specifics. I’ve looked at both before (and again while writing this response). In fact, spetembereleventh.org is actually using information provided by Dr. Steven Jones, a soon-to-be FORMER professor at BYU (put on leave since he is a clear NUT). The University itself is challenging his lies.

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Want some more? Communitycurrency.com has some very compelling articles on the science behind 911.
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Nice try, this web site doesn’t exist as a legitimate site. It refers you to financial help.

Hey, I can refer you to a bunch of worthless web addresses to make my response look good to… how about http://www.suri-is-a-sucker.com, or http://www.believe-worthless-stuff.org. Does that help me make my point? I guess in your eyes it does…

Perhaps you are used to people on your side that don’t bother checking the drivel you spew. (again, since you don’t know what “drivel” is, I’ll give you the definition: childish, silly, or meaningless talk or thinking; nonsense)

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I can give you volumes of information pointing to the plot and who’s behind it.
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No, you can’t. No, you haven’t. You’ve provided me with ALL THE SAME STUFF. You haven’t provided “volumes of� ANYTHING!!! No REAL research. A bunch of fringe web sites that have all been exposed by legitimate means.

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Oh yeah, one more thing. Not one source from your side has defended the repeated spike on “put� options for United and American Airlines. Please someone give me a coherent argument for this!!!
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Again, ARE YOU KIDDING??? There have been HUNDREDS of articles posted on this subject? THIS PROVES YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF DOING ANY RESEARCH!!!

I guess since you aren’t capable of understanding any argument against your “unable to defend” position, no matter how many web sites I direct you to, no matter how many articles I point out, no matter what I present, you can’t be open to it.

This was my point. This is what I meant when I said “I was through with this one-sided argument”.

I’m used to arguing with mature adults, not pre-teen children who believe what they hear on M-TV.

Nice try…. (actually, no it isn’t.)

POOR TRY!!!!!

You seem genuinely sincere in your beliefs in the Bush Administration and all they have to offer, death, lies, demolition of the Constitution and neocon domination of the rest of the planet. You have to see that you are no better than the Islamic extremists that also threaten our way of life. As a matter of fact, followers like you Mike are even more dangerous in that you blindly endorse the covert actions of your leaders. You seem to be exhausted in dealing with me, and I would expect that coming from someone who supports leaders that are exhausted with negotiating with anyone and everyone on a global scale just because they hold a different belief system.

You say you want proof, you say you want a defense for my beliefs, well here you go sucker. ALL of the Popular Mechanics assertions are very effectively defended at 911truth.org, and if you want pure truth check out septembereleventh.org, there is a wonderful article on the engineering related to the WTC collapse.

Want some more? Communitycurrency.com has some very compelling articles on the science behind 911.

I can give you volumes of information pointing to the plot and who’s behind it. What do you have? More .gov hogwash, Popular Mechanics (they should stick to the latest engine thermodynamics improvements) and your stupid embarrassment of a president. Not much if you ask me.

It’s so frustrating to read posting by idiots like you…oops…I mean sheep like you. Keep bah, bah, bahing and marching to slaughter.

Oh yeah, one more thing. Not one source from your side has defended the repeated spike on “put” options for United and American Airlines. Please someone give me a coherent argument for this!!!

And they all fell silent…

Mike? Mike? Mike?

It figures.

As my final visit to this site, let me say that I apologize. I didn’t realize you couldn’t read. Forgive me. You are obviously only capable of clicking on a link and not doing any research for yourself. I’m sorry, I misunderstood.

Allow me to retort to your ramblings….

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No Mike, your sources are tainted, just like everything the Bush Administration tries to peddle, …
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I see…. Your intentions are clear. You are simply so bitter about the current government that you are willing to believe ANYTHING. What sources did you look at besides the ONE is provided the link on?

I’m sorry that you didn’t understand why I provided that ONE link. It was to show you that there are OTHER explanations for your misguided beliefs. Then I asked you and Michele (and others like you) to do YOUR OWN RESEARCH. You didn’t!!!!

Do you think that Popular Mechanics is a government puppet? Are they “IN” on the whole conspiracy? Here is a link to their site: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Again, this is ONE LINK. It isn’t the ONLY information out there.

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Ditto!!!!!

Again, besides ONE fringe video, what evidence have you provided? If you have one of your parents go to the other posts I’ve submitted to read them to you, (since you obviously can’t read) you will hear them say that there are several other sources I’ve directed you to. DO SOME RESEARCH!!!

If you are capable of typing a few words in to Google (unless they are also part of the conspiracy…), you can do some research on your own instead of sitting in a dark room watching Loose Change over and over. What about what I quoted from the maker of LCPD? No response because it might cause your fragile world to tremble……

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This is the most overwhelming conspiracy that has ever been perpetrated on the world and you’re content to sit back and let it happen, just like you probably were in 2000 when Bush stole the election from the rightfully elected Al Gore.
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Ahhhh, now it’s clear.

You are a perfect Elvis Factor candidate.

You detest the current government SO much that you refuse to look further then the ONE trash video you seem to think is gospel.

You obviously aren’t capable of having an open mind. If you look further then Change, you MIGHT be shown something that will upset the beliefs you hold dear. You might find evidence that causes the delicate world you’ve created in your mind to come crashing down around you (or, maybe it will cause the government to blow it up like they did the WTC, right????).

But there isn’t any chance of you doing any research. You have built in your mind a world where the government is evil and terrorists are the good guys. Okay, I accept that you aren’t capable of learning. You DON’T have an open mind.

I’m sorry. I’m sorry for you and for others like you. You obviously can’t debate. You can’t provide sources for your arguments. You can’t back up your beliefs with anything other then Loose Change (what a joke…). All you can do is argue emotion, not logic.

When provided with opportunities to debate, you fail. You ignore other things cited by me and in other responses and simply argue that Loose Change is right and everyone else is wrong.

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Keep drinking from the tainted well of this phony administration, I imagine after awhile even your bloated belly will grow sour with discontent, the same discontent that most of us have been feeling for a long time.
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I assure you I am already discontented, with this ONE SIDED argument.

Don’t bother replying…. It’s only me and you reading this string anyway.

Good luck.

No Mike, your sources are tainted, just like everything the Bush Administration tries to peddle, of which I’m sure you’re a frequent shopper. Saddam had WMD’s and Bush is “upholding” the constitution by wire-tapping Americans all in name of keeping us safe, boobs like you just nod and sappily accept your marching orders.

Your naiveté astounds me. Here you’re presented with credible evidence and all you can do is quote what the government hands you. You say you exhaustively researched all of the questions, of which there are many surrounding 911 but my friend you haven’t even scratched the surface. Put away your conventional thinking and take your research to the next level.

This is the most overwhelming conspiracy that has ever been perpetrated on the world and you’re content to sit back and let it happen, just like you probably were in 2000 when Bush stole the election from the rightfully elected Al Gore. Keep drinking from the tainted well of this phony administration, I imagine after awhile even your bloated belly will grow sour with discontent, the same discontent that most of us have been feeling for a long time.

Once again, the only thing you can do is quote a WELL KNOWN, WELL CHALLENGED fringe video… Why is it that when I ask for “hard evidence” and not some speculation from an obvious uninformed source (video maker), it goes unanswered.

Some info on Loose Change: The film producer, Korey Rowe, claimed in an interview, “We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves.�

The NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology has released a point-by-point rebuttal of many of the theories you hold dear. You can find the information here; http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Yes, I watched Loose Change. I have viewed all the “X-FILES” type sites and videos out there in my research. I also looked at MSM (Time, Newsweek, Newspapers, Trade Journals, etc), as well as scientific papers on the subject. It took me over two years. I was open when I was researching to the arguments you and Michele offer.

From what I hear from you and Michele, you are not. You do not research alternate sources. You take one or two fringe videos and websites and assume they are fact.

It certainly appears to me that you didn’t read my previous response. I provided a direct link to a web site that explains exactly the action you describe. Before you respond with nonsense, try offering up something more then the person you are defending is offering.

Instead of regurgitating your single source of information, take my advice (and hopefully Michele will also) and do “just a little more research” from a few RESPECTABLE sources to open your mind.

The “explosions� you claim to have seen were explained in MANY, MANY presentations. Not only in the link I provided, but in several papers written, specials presented by National Geographic, Time, Newsweek, The NYT, Discovery Channel, etc quoting the builder of the WTC himself, as well as structural engineers and architects and the National Fire Protection Institute.

If you spent ANY TIME WHAT-SO-EVER studying the way the WTC was built, you will see how the Domino-Style collapse occurred.

I’m prepared to debate you and Michele at any time with the evidence I have. Are you?

In closing, I urge you (as you urged me at then end of your statement) to OPEN YOUR EYES to the other information out there. I urge you to PROVE the truths (or expose the lies)….

Obviously Mike you haven’t viewed the outstanding and important documentary Loose Change Part Duex, if you had you would realize that you were simply talking out of your southern most extremities.

Not only do the producers of this very important work capture the horrors of that day they illuminate the Bush Administrations culpability.

Can you explain away the laws of physics? Can you explain away explosions that are seen detonating along the face of the towers as they implode? Can you explain away the very odd behavior of the family members that had made “supposed” cell phone calls to their loved ones when we know it’s impossible to make such calls from planes traveling at those altitudes? You demand research and proof from Michele, yet you offer no answer’s to these vital questions.

I agree with you regarding the “MSM” as you refer to them as they are reporting from a very biased standpoint; they help no one, but to rain down vitriol on Michele for simply stating what she believes is taking simple discussion too far.

You sound as if you swallow everything the Bush Administration doles out, and to me that’s the biggest tragedy in this whole sad 9/11 episode. That people like yourself are so gullible that you blind yourself to the truth and the truth is we have a corrupt government who’s capable of just about any evil.

I urge you to study Loose Change and research its truths.

Like I said before this is what believe. Below is a part of an article on 9/11 by Deck Deckert

“They believe, for example, that on 9/11 some clown named Osama bin Laden picked up his cell phone in a cave in Afghanistan and directed 19 Muslims, none of them professional pilots, to hijack four airliners and fly them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby bringing down three steel-skeleton skyscrapers, the only time in world history that has ever happened�………………………….
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Oh please…..

You make me wait 10 days, checking back time after time, disappointed in not seeing a challenging response posted by you, and this is the best you can do???? A quote from some wacky blog on the internet? Exactly the opposite thing I was asking for when we exchanged earlier? You do understand that heat effects steel, right?

“However, the building was not able to withstand the intense heat of the jet fuel fire. While it was impossible for the fuel-rich, diffuse-flame fire to burn at a temperature high enough to melt the steel, its quick ignition and intense heat caused the steel to lose at least half its strength and to deform, causing buckling or crippling. This weakening and deformation caused a few floors to fall, while the weight of the stories above them crushed the floors below, initiating a domino collapse.” (http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html)

I didn’t tell you to go to a stupid blog (oh wait, that’s what we’re on….).. I asked you to provide me; in fact I’m begging you to provide me with evidence to convince me you were right.

You failed.

As has every other person like you who tried to convince anyone that 9/11 happened by some “x-files” like black ops group bent on controlling America (or whatever). The next thing you might send me is that you believe that the plane on video hitting the first tower fired missiles into the tower like those clueless people at serendipity? (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa11.html)

For the last few weeks, and up until the anniversary of 9/11, you will have the opportunity to watch and read several things that might educate you more then some loser posting worthless information on a blog (no offense, Chris). I beg you to avail yourself of the opportunity to grow and open your mind.

It will allow you to see that most people don’t look at it like it happened over a phone call from a cave and then BAMMM, the next day it happened. It will allow you to understand the process, see over the years how it advanced and was missed (yes, missed) by the government. I hope you will look at all the information and try to be open, because only from ignorance like I’ve seen posted in this string do beliefs like this find root.

I feel sorry for the future if this type of research and evidence is all that face us down the road.

I have to keep telling myself that there are people that believe in nonsense. In fact, you may have heard of “The Elvis Factor”.

“10 percent of the people in America believe that Elvis is still alive. 8% of the people believe that if you send him a letter, he will answer it”.

Enough said……

Michele; I’m prepared to continue to send you more and more to try to convince you that I’m right. If your prepared to have your mind opened and for you to “possibly” be proven wrong, SAY THE WORD!!!! Or, if you can prove me wrong, I’m open to the argument…..

http://tvnewslies.org/html/shut_up_and_listen.html

“They believe, for example, that on 9/11 some clown named Osama bin Laden picked up his cell phone in a cave in Afghanistan and directed 19 Muslims, none of them professional pilots, to hijack four airliners and fly them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby bringing down three steel-skeleton skyscrapers, the only time in world history that has ever happened”………………………….
http://www.swans.com/library/art12/rdeck068.html

Wake up people! Our country is going down the tubes!

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Okay, what reasearch have YOU done (and I’m not talking about the worthless internet movies referred to so many times)???? Tell me why you’ve been CONVINCED by the research you’ve done and what evidence YOU have that you use to convice others.

I’m really hoping you aren’t simply being spoon-fed with the slop in the media but instead you have hard evidence and research to back up your beliefs.

I’m always open to debating and to having someone change my mind if they think I’m wrong. I have the evidence and research to back up my beliefs.

Do you?

You really believe in this day and age that if there were ANYTHING to the idea that the government blew up the buildings the media wouldn’t be ALL OVER IT?? Or, are you telling me that they are “in� with the whole thing. Like the MSM (main stream media) wouldn’t like to bring down the current president every day… Don’t you think they would have plastered this all over the front pages of the Times?

Learn how to do some research.

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Uhhhh, No I’m not kidding. Yes I was watching, No I did not know anyone on the planes. Yes I really believe the government was involved. No I don’t think the MSM is telling us the truth. I also belive the are going to pull off another terror attack to start another war in Iran. Call me crazy, I do not care.

Wake up people! Our country is going down the tubes!

Watch the video Martial Law 9/11
Available For Free Download
Google video has entire film online.

I believe the 9/11 attacks were the result of a U.S. government conspiracy. Governments throughout history have used terror attacks on their own people, and then blamed the attacks on others to get the people’s support to justify going to war. Afghanistan, Iraq, and soon probably Iran. They had nothing to do with 9-11. Our government was behind the whole thing.

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Uhhhh, are you kidding? This isn’t the middle-ages when some King tells us that 200 miles away in the kindom (a virtually unreachable location in those days) some other kindom burned down the village!!! This happened LIVE ON TV??? Were any of you watching this? Did anyone one of you know anyone on the planes? (My hand is in the air)

You really believe in this day and age that if there were ANYTHING to the idea that the government blew up the buildings the media wouldn’t be ALL OVER IT?? Or, are you telling me that they are “in” with the whole thing. Like the MSM (main stream media) wouldn’t like to bring down the current president every day… Don’t you think they would have plastered this all over the front pages of the Times?

Learn how to do some research.

Chris, you just lost a lot of credibility with me.

Now THAT’s funny!

If you like Wikipedia, go see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHm0rGns4I