Mac OS X Leopard vs Microsoft Windows Vista

There are a few Mac fanatics who aren’t very impressed with what’s coming in Leopard – much like Windows fanatics (and former Windows fanatics) weren’t impressed with Vista. Each camp argues that these OS revisions don’t go far enough – the argument is universal.

However, I can tell you that – with my limited exposure to the latest Leopard beta – OS X 10.5 is a far more user friendly, home network happy, 64-bit operating system for consumers than Windows Vista (even with SP1) could ever hope to be. This isn’t a classic “Apple vs Microsoft” argument so much as it’s a “Windows vs Users” one.

  1. I was amazed to discover that VNC functionality was baked into the Finder – no muss, no fuss. I’ve been using VNC for years, largely because it’s a cross-platform service that’s simple to set up, access, and (ultimately) use. Leopard doesn’t bury the ability to share screens. I simply can’t believe it’s this simple.
  2. Time Machine is backup the way data backup and restoration should be – to a home network, with the right equipment attached. It’s beyond comparison. You shouldn’t need to hire a geek or network admin to get it to work, it’s not buried, and you don’t need to install any third-party software (arguments which throw out any kind of “Windows can do the same thing” argument). In this case, it’s not the actual feature – it’s the finish that’s ultimately important.
  3. Spotlight indexes and searches, with a fair amount of elegance and invisibility, across open machines connected on the network. Windows Desktop Search, last I tried, makes local searching (alone) a pain in the ass. Moreover, I find Spotlight to be a better implementation of Vista’s Start menu – but that may be a personal preference.
  4. Packages and preferences are far easier to manage than Windows programs and klutzy installation routines. There’s a great comment thread on Coding Horror about this very problem. Windows is starting to show its age, and it’s going to have to make major backwards software compatibility sacrifices if it intends on surviving as a desktop OS for much longer.
  5. To my surprise, the Dictionary now has a direct gateway to Wikipedia. While I don’t find Wikipedia to be the ultimate source for information, I do value its community-driven structure. With true identity tied into page edits, it could quickly become the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Contrast this to… well, I guess Windows Vista doesn’t have a built-in equivalent to crowdsourced information. I just thought that was an amazing “little touch” that would come in handy at some point (especially after seeing that if Spotlight doesn’t have results for a keyword search, it’ll spit back a dictionary definition if available for the term).
  6. I appreciate how Apple has handled platform transitions. PowerPC to Intel, 32-bit to 64-bit – there have been a few hiccups along the way, but I’d say that it’s been a much better experience for Mac users than it has for those of us in the Windows world. Certainly, progess can be painful – but how painful should it be for you? Apple can change the rules at any given moment, and the onus is on the dev to make sure compatibility exists (or doesn’t, for whatever reason). The user doesn’t necessarily, and shouldn’t have to, break a sweat.
  7. Personal information management is far more seamless on OS X than it is in Windows. Fundamentally, iCal and Vista’s Windows Calendar do the SAME thing – but iCal’s “To Do” list is linked with Apple Mail. Moreover, .Mac provides a simple gateway for calendar publishing. Apple Mail handles RSS feeds well enough (like Windows Live Mail – which is a different, better client than Windows Mail that doesn’t ship with Vista). Moreover, Apple’s Mail supports Exchange – if only in a limited capacity. I certainly hope the next version of Entourage doesn’t vista itself out of usability.
  8. Help isn’t just documentation, it’s largely directional. I needed to find where to change the network Workgroup for my system. I typed “workgroup” in the System Preferences search box – and OS X macro’ed its way to the proper Preference Pane, tab, and precise field where I could change the setting directly. OMG! The Windows Help system, in stark contrast, feels like an “RTFM” experience (mildly ironic, though far from suprising).
  9. Expose is a far better task switcher than the laughable Flip 3D. Expose isn’t new in Leopard, but Apple has extended desktop usability by adding Spaces. While virtual desktop software has been available for years, Spaces is quite intuitive and clean. It’s no Beryl / Compiz Fusion, but it’s certainly better than giving the user nothing OOTB. It’s all about encouraging users to get out of the “I can only have one program open at a time” mindset.
  10. Despite some Mac advocates discussing “the Coming Leopard Letdown,” it’s not quite like “the Existing Vista Letdown.” Consider comments made by hmurchison:

    Networking – the Finder doesn’t choke when volumes are unmounted. The finder doesn’t seem to choke when a lot of small files are copied.

    Calendar – Not only are Data Dectors back but they’re infused nicely in mail and iCal data can now be written to from 3rd party apps. To Dos are accessible from 3rd parties. If you’re a Productivity hound this is Heaven.

    UI – The GPU now has a dedicated thread for rendering UI. Resolution Independence is included. OpenGL 2.1 is there with enhanced shading support.

    The whole OS is Unix 03 compliant and undergoing certification. The Help menu is vastly better the whole OS is 64-bit yet still runs 32-bit apps natively. QuickTime 32-bit has been deprecated for QTkit 64-bit. QuickTime encodes faster and has alpha support.

    I simply don’t see anything in Leopard as a letdown, just like some Windows fans didn’t see Vista as a letdown. It’s a matter of perspective, needs, and expectations. There’s no UAC, no WGA to contend with. More to the point, there’s only one version of OS X for consumers to purchase.

In short, Leopard is a more user-friendly OS than Windows Vista.

Before you get your panties in a bunch, remember that I can’t stand iTunes – it’s an unwieldy way of managing media (even on OS X). Moreover, I don’t like the way iPhoto manages metadata; I dream of the day Picasa gets ported to the Mac. Not everything that Apple does is pure genius. However, as far as a desktop platform and experience is concerned for the average user, Leopard is an absolute winner. It has 100 more “Wow”s than Windows Vista, and you don’t have to look very far to find ’em.

Windows and OS X can peacefully co-exist, I believe – so long as Windows is running on either a Boot Camp partition or inside a virtual machine. The power of the PC is that it can support a billion different configurations, but some of us are at the point in our lives where we only need one config to work. I’ve come to this realization, and I don’t find it sad at all – I find it uplifting.

I’ll get attacked by the apologists, and I’m sure I’ll be opening myself up to a whole new wave of attacks. I’d be equally as vocal about user interface inconsistencies on OS X as a I am with Windows (and believe me, there are still plenty of ’em – as Gruber has attested)!

To switch or not to switch… is becoming less of a question. Yesterday’s arguments simply DO NOT APPLY.


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  7. I have over a terabyte of music – a collection over 20 years in the making. Show me a program that catalogs music better than iTunes.

  8. I’ve been using PCs and Windows for over 15 years, and I switched to OS X this summer. I’ve come to the same point you mentionned: I want a computer that works and don’t want to bother anymore with the technical stuff.
    Obviously, it depends on your needs, but I think that unless you play games, you can do anything on OS X you could do on Windows, in an easier way.
    My PC is now an expensive video game platform, and I basically don’t use it anymore.
    On the other hand, I work full-time on my mac and I’m a lot more productive.

  9. It’s nice to see you playing in the greener side of the field and making some honest comments about OS X. Keep it up. I think you’ll find that the more time you spend with your Mac, the less time you’ll want to spend with Windows–any version.

  10. All in all a good article I have used OSX for about 18 months now and still do Windows IT work. I don’t agree completely with your iPhoto Itunes comment but I understand them. My brother in-law felt the same about itunes for Windows till he started to think a little more like both programs do. He had a different mindset of how a itunes should arrange and work. I never had an issue or was even aware of this till i saw him struggle alot and finally figured it was how he approached it and I helped him see how it worked. Of course you dont have to use them and there are alternatives on the Mac.
    I tried Vista Ultimate for a while under bootcamp and was sorely disappointed at it’s sluggish response, the fact that so many things seem to be tucked away and renamed (try and find the folder for the start menu they moved it way down the folder list and renamed it!) Also the apps like the DVD making and photo handling programs in Vista look nice but are very immature comparison to OSX’s .

  11. Hi didn’t read a lot of it. But the main reason why i love OS X is for all of the uses it has. Like I’m able to have Windows and Mac right at my finger Tips. The best part of it is with my being a Computer Tech i can run all over the World with my Mac and be compatible. And still be in control of my PC for actually a low price. The heat does get turned up on the war of Mac vs PC. It’s really wild to get into i started over 6 months ago in it. Still in it today. I’m pulling for Apple because of all the pressing froward they have been doing. Not saying Microsoft hasn’t. But they went for more of Eye Candy this go round rather than putting the User in control as they said they did. Unlike Mac they put the user in control and let you have the OS of your choice. So if your looking for that extra pull go with OS X or if your needing a simple gaming PC run Windows on the Mac. Seems easy but you can do both. With Boot Camp. It will be free. Or is Free. I got it free from Apple to test when it first came out. And i got Windows XP Pro. And Vista Ultimate. It was a great thing. All the Drivers where ready. But Not as for Vista as it was for XP i had more of a issue with Vista but hey for it to run on EFI and it do that so clean and have a good setup i loved it.

  12. Nice post Chris. I switched (back) after seven years of total Windows and Tablet PC immersion and I haven’t regretted my decision at all. I’m actually installing Vista in a VMWare Fusion virtual machine as I write this (on my iPhone. Yes – the RDF is powerful). Best of both worlds in a single portable computer. I do miss the Tablet features though. Fortunately I have one handy when I need to work in ink or want the slate form factor.

  13. Great article! I used to be big on Windows, I also have written a fair amount of specialized software in Windows. I raised an eyebrow when OS X came out, and got my first OS X system about six years ago. Since then I never looked back. My office productivity via OS X sharply increased. I still keep up with Windows and was part of the Vista beta program. As a computer consultant I have too keep up with what’s out there. From my experience with Vista, I am very disappointed. I think that we are seeing the beginning of the end of Microsoft as we know them. History is repeating itself as it did with IBM in the eighties.

  14. Well I personaly belive that windows vista comes in to play when we are speeking about Os X (with from what i’ve seen I love, I was thinking of building a costome Pc that was going to be bad ass you know 4giges of ramm , quad core 2.18 Gh and 2 640mb decated video cards but….) It not only looks good but is good especaly the new iMovie (with i never have seen iMovie ’06 so i don’t have much to go by except windows movie maker witch i think is the equevlant of HELL for people who want to make nice short movies.).Witch alot of you may disagree with my choice of aplactions but I wood move to mac for Just the simpole applactions let alone the coolnes of apple and the better Os and interfcae. I just think that apple is superiour to windows mechins also because I can run any Os i wish to from what i have herd as long as you have the space. So some people complain about how mac has combalty issues I say windows has compabilty issues.;)

  15. Great post, Chris, but dude, do a spellcheck! I had to interpolate a lot of words there.

    Your foray into the Mac environment has been just as enlightening as my own into GNU/Linux. When you take the time to work with an alternative to Windows — any alternative — you’re pleasantly surprised over and over, and in turn, how disappointing Vista continues to be. As a result, I see the traditional Microsoft defenders at best as uninformed by lack of direct experience with “the other.”

  16. Hey Chris – Great post
    Im new to reading your blog consistently and I really like this post. At the moment Windows Vs OSX can be a touchy subject and can quickly start a flame-war.
    I personally am a mac user, I switched relatively recently. I decided I needed to try the “mac thing” and I havn’t looked back. I wouldn’t be so bold as to say it is a “better” operating system but for one thing I am a hell of a lot more productive and its a hell of a lot less irritating.
    I believe the OS should be as transparent as possible and just help get your job done – no yellow bubbles showing off at what its doing, no updates continuously telling you to restart. While OS X isn’t completely transparent I do feel less interrupted using it on Windows.
    This has resulted in me really trying to avoid using a Windows machine, the more I use my mac, the less I want to touch windows – its as simple as that.

  17. It’s very refreshing to read a review about soemthing Apple that isn’t written by some Jobs obsessed iFanboy. Personally I like Vista but then I have always used Windows and am happy to admit that there are lots of flaws, though as is always the case with MS detractors not nearly as many as people claim.

    Bizarrely, despite being somewhat of a gadget freak, the thing that puts me off giving a Mac a go next time i replace my computer is the the fanboys – reviews like this are so incredibly difficult to find – most of them are written by iFanBoiyz telling you how Steve Jobs is the second coming and Macs are the solution to all the world’s ills.

    My only real contact with mac stuff has been iTunes, which is greta for podcasts but not much else unless you are happy doing everything the way you’re told to do it by Apple and Safari which crashed after 15 seconds. In an effort to be more objective than your average mac user I do intend to borrow my friends MacBook to see if I get on wth it but just like you have niggles with Windows, I have them with MAC OS – the way it maximises windows and things like that. Anyway, once again thanks for an objective review with some actual content insteead of the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth I have come to expect of Mac reviewers.

  18. Show you an application that catalogues music better than iTunes

    iTunes, hah, try Jriver Media Center, beats it hands down.

    I can’t be evangelical enough about it, more powerful, more flexible, more formats, more features.


  19. I have not yet had the pleasure of playing with Leopard (as I can’t yet afford a Mac of my very own), but I’ve been playing with Vista on my new Dell.

    First impressions are that I like the layout ant general ‘feel’ of the system more than XP. It seems to think more like I do.

    However, a week or so on, and Vista’s continuous prompting becomes wearisome. Also, if I hadn’t Googled a few problems, I would never know that in order to get new software to work at all, you need to right-click the application file (not the shortcut, apparently) and choose ‘Run as Administrator’. As a beta tester, and newest-software-junkie, this is annoying.

    Networking? It’s meant to be easier and quicker. What Vista appears to have done is to give many more options, which don’t seem to be universally-accepted. I am continuously stumped when my tray-icon tells me I’m online, only for Firefoxo to complain about being offline. Settings are not intuitive, though the interface is better for applications and launching. I like Aero, but it’s no MacOS. Finally, why don’t all the things which used to work in XP just notwork in Vista? USB modem drivers… don’t get me started… Vista is into its ‘notworking’

    Regards, (

  20. Apple has a lot going for it, a great looking UI, solidity and security of BSD.

    There are somethings that I hate, for example why insist on putting the menu bar at the top of the screen even if the application is not full screen?

    Application support is fine for “standard” applications, but you move a small way into the enterprise and it starts to get messy. It’s chicken and the egg, enterprises wont move (to Mac, Linux or Open Solaris) without the “big” applications being available and supported, Oracle HR for instance, Siebel, Lotus Notes – ok, the last one has just been released for Linux.

    All those macros and vbs spreadsheets that have been built will have to be re-built in OpenOffice in Python, now if OpenOffice built a Python scripting engine for Office, then new scripts could be written “cross-platform” and could be moved easily to later is another thing which is too well embedded, as is active directory.

    and finally what is it with Mac only having a single mouse button, come on you can’t still be thinking that using a keyboard button with a click instead of a right click is more efficient.

    I could go on..


  21. Nice post. Good to see you finding fauklts with OSX as well. Have to say though i totally agree, except itunes which i find really good, iphoto could be better at managing pictures but then i probably just need to spend more time with it!
    I have used Macs now for 9 months, have a mini and a mac book pro. I had always been a pc user before then, i suppose working in IT and having to deal with Microsoft on a daily basis i felt i should at least use the products i support at home! Since getting my macs, i am now a PC less household! And never looked back. So nice to have something that does what you want out of the box. The only extras i have had to purchase were a miglia tv tuner and eye tv, as well as iwork! I am looking forward to leopard being released, and holding back on buying an iMac until that time.

  22. Chris, great article.

    I have been a Windows support “jock” for about 14 years and just over a year ago bought my first mac (after mulling it over for a long time).
    And in true fashion, I have also not looked back.

    I still feel “faster” on a Windows based PC and still have my home accounts in Excel rather than Numbers at the moment, but my Macbook is the perfect compliment to my PC.

    And it really is true – “it just works”.

    Roll on Leopard! Sounds excellent.

  23. I have noticed a lot of the techies at my local computer shop have given up on Windows Vista and are moving to either Mac OS X or even Linux.

    There was a lot of chatter the other day about the way Vista slows down networking when playing media files to prevent ‘stuttering’ even though other systems can do this with out any problems at all !!

    Personally, I think Microsoft have lost their way.

  24. Apple have mastered simplistic elegance and usability, yet with high functionality. While Microsoft are stuck literally decades behind priding themselves on clunky, ugly, and unproductive software. There is absolutely no comparison between the two!!! Often in the creative industry (where I work) people are looked down on these days if they are still using pcs, while mac users are increasingly much more respected people. I used to use pcs, and trust me Change Now!! You will love it!

  25. That wasn’t an impartial comparison of Vista and Leopard – it was a “Leopard is better because…”

    How about you write a proper comparison, detailing the positives and negatives of each, thinking about different applications for these systems? Vista is painfully slow at copying files, and OS X is a pile of rubbish in the corporate environment (unless you pay stupid money for 3rd party software). Vista’s search feature is junk (msn search app is excellent), but OS X won’t let you full-screen an application?!

    Both are brilliant pieces of software, and both have distinct drawbacks. It depends on the requirement. Sometimes it’s good to sit on the fense and thinkin about the situation, rather than the badge on the side, or how geeky the latest Apple advert makes you look.

  26. I’ve always been a MS user, however Vista is an abomination!! Still I couldn’t move to a mac as its too restrictive… you can’t even play games on it.

  27. You cant compare Mac OS to Windows!!!!
    Windows is built for multiplatform / Harware
    OSX is custom built for the hardware it runs on

    As for better “Features” in OS X, Microsoft cant just add them with out ISV and the like screaming.

  28. Just as an addendum, I’ve been mulling this over more and more – I never used to buy consoles, always gaming on my PC. Something I rarely do these days. I think should I upgrade my home PC again I will at least give a Mac a try as I will have no need for anythign High -End (for high end I would always go for something like the Toshiba Portegé R400), and for day to day stuff I will put my hands up and say the Macs look like they do the job better than Windows. I think I’ve just been badly disaffected by the ‘look, all the kewl kidz have Apple logos all voer their house’ vomitous advertising from Apple and blind following of the ensuing cult!

  29. I have read a lot written about the Mac and Windows Operating system.

    I too am a IT guy now for 17 years and personally use a Mac home, simply because when I get home I find I wanted a computer that wored, its browses the net, reads my emails, editing and prints my photos, plays my music syncs my iPod and to be honest I do not care how it stors the data, as long as I can access it.

    When I did have a Windows comptuer it felt as if it was a entensin of my work having to trouble shoot problems . .

    ps I am beta tester of leopard, I cannot saw anything but its very nice wat were going to be getting.

  30. I think Richard needs to find out a little more abouts Macs. He gives his lack of current knowledge away with the “single button mouse” comment. Aside from the fact that the Mac Os’es (both 9x and !0x) natively suppout multi button mice, Apple’s mouse that ships with every Mac for some time now has 5 buttons. (see wired and wireless Mighty Mouse on Apple’s website).

  31. Hi,

    I have used Macs once or twice in my life and can’t really have a just opinion on them. But I can have a fair opinion on Microsoft OSs that I have been using for 16 years now.

    Mac users, the only thing that I can tell u is that XP SP2 proved to be a reliable OS. Fast enough as well. When I got Vista in my hands I had the impression that it would be an OS that would be as reliable as XP-SP2 if not better plus faster etc. When I installed it (VISTA) it just took me 3 days to uninstall it and revert back to XP. Really stupid network interface, plus some icons making your screen look like its 640×480 and compatibility issues are just some of the events that made me go back to XP.

    My impression is that Microsoft is going down big time and this is the last time they are gonna sell many of their products. Alternatives become better all the time (I have also Suse Linux 10.2 installed) and Microsoft managed to create an OS that just makes it easier for someone to install it. I think that Vista is an OS for homeusers only. Games and Word Processing. That’s it…. For anything else it’s just a pain…. especially networking….

  32. I am a computer consultant, i used to design Windows centric slutions mostly for audio and video editing, but a lot of IT consulting and bussines deploy, since Apple turned to Intel chips i have switched too and OMG!, im a believer, really i can not work in windows anymore (i still have bootcamp for the games). ANd to that guy who said Mac Mouse dont have right button, you know that sells you as talking about macs without knowing anything, right now every mac is sold with a 4 button mouse and a fantastic scroll ball wich is much better than the scrool whell, and you can use ANY usb mouse with a mac.

    Thanks for being objective Chris, very nice to see ppl coming out of the dark of Microsoft umbrella.

  33. I would like to address a couple of items that Richard mentioned.

    First, there is a reason that Apple places all the menu commands fixed to the top menu bar rather than floating around on a windows top edge. It relates to Fitt’s law – there are some areas on the screen that are very fast and easily hit with little to no need for precision aiming. The 4 corners are natural locations for the pointer to home in on. The next best locations are the edges or margins of the screen. Menus located on the edge of a window requires X and Y precision to locate with a pointer while the others only require X or Y action.

    Second.. the one button mouse…

    Richard… Please wake up and pay attention to what Apple ships with their computers. The Mighty Mouse has been standard for well over a year now. The Apple standard mouse effectively has 4 buttons easily tuned with the System Preferences.
    (and while you’re waking up, take a look at the trackpad settings you can adjust for Mac laptops.)

  34. I received my first experience with Vista yesterday. Took an hour to get the ethernet working (Public/Private network security issues) and in the end had to shut the modem off and back on so Vista could evidently give it a damn good talking too. In that hour, I had approximately 1 security message every 5 seconds while dealing with the networking center. It crashed on me about 3 times (lockup) and ran like a dog.

    After investigation, it seems these reasons are simply because I didnt want to pay for Vista Home Premium or Ultimate. 64bit ONLY with Ultimate?? You have to be joking. Or should I quote the actual blurb “Support for high end components and 64bit”.

    Tiger. Half the price. Works straight out of the box.
    Leopard. Tiger with bells on and 64bit support straight out the box.

    If I wasnt going back to Linux for work, OSX would be my only choice.

  35. @ Richard – August 31, 2007 @ 4:40 am: “There are somethings that I hate, for example why insist on putting the menu bar at the top of the screen even if the application is not full screen?”

    Well, Dick, from the following link…

    …we get:

    “Question 5

    Explain why a Macintosh pull-down menu can be accessed at least five times faster than a typical Windows pull-down menu. For extra credit, suggest at least two reasons why Microsoft made such an apparently stupid decision.

    Microsoft, Sun, and others have made the decision to mount the menu bar on the window, rather than at the top of the display, as Apple did. They made this decision for at least two reasons:
    A Apple claimed copyright and patent rights on the Apple menu bar
    B Everyone else assumed that moving the menu bar closer to the user, by putting it at the top of the window, would speed things up.

    Phalanxes of lawyers have discussed point 1. Let’s deal with point two. The Apple menu bar is a lot faster than menu bars in windows. Why? Because, since the menu bar lies on a screen edge, it has an infinite height. As a result, Mac users can just throw their mice toward the top of the screen with the assurance that it will never penetrate and disappear.

    Unless, of course, I’m testing them at the time. I did a test at Apple where I mounted one monitor on top of another, with the menu bar at the top of the lower display. The only way the user could get to the top monitor way by passing through the menu bar enroute.

    I then gave users the task of repeatedly accessing menu bar items. When they first started out, they penetrated into the upper screen by around nine inches on average, just because their mouse velocity was so high. Then they learned they had to slow down and really aim for the menu. By the time they adjusted, their menu-access times became so ponderously slow, they took around the same time as the average Windows user.

    The other “advantage” usually ascribed to a menu bar at the top of each window is that they user always knows where to look for the items pertaining to the task they are carrying out. This is silly. Users may do various tasks within a given window, and the menu items may change. Not only that, but a great many perverse applications exist, particularly in the Sun world, where the menu bar you need to access is not even in the window in which you are working! That is truly bizarre and mind-bending.

    Microsoft applications are beginning to offer the possibility, in full-screen mode, of a menu bar at the top of the display. Try this out in Word or Excel. It is much faster. Microsofts general cluelessness has never been so amply displayed, however, as it is in Microsoft Visual Studio, which has a menu bar at the top of the screen with a one-pixel barrier between the screentop and the menu. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.”

    Oh, and Mighty Mouse can be configured to have both left and right click.


    Regarding alternative apps to iTunes… they don’t work with iPods/iPhones! But in respect to the wider point of those Windows apps having more flexibility and formats etc, this highlights a major philosophical difference between the world of Microsoft and the world of Apple. As Chris says above, “some of us are at the point in our lives where we only need one config to work. I’ve come to this realization, and I don’t find it sad at all – I find it uplifting.” It’s truly liberating is what it is, by not distracting us or complicating things, but by allowing us to focus on what needs to be done. There is great, and often overlooked, power in keeping things as simple as possible – we may think we need extra features, bells and whistles, but really for the most part we don’t.

  36. Thanks Chris for a good post.

    Richard, there are many historical reasons for the differences between Macs and Windows. Some of this was because Apple was first, by at least a decade of development, and staked out the best way of doing things which it then protected by copyrights and patents.

    Microsoft had to come up with workarounds that don’t work as well. It’s the reason that many people feel more comfortable on a Mac; it better conforms to Human Engineering. You just need to re-train yourself out of expecting things to go the Microsoft way.

    “There are somethings that I hate, for example why insist on putting the menu bar at the top of the screen even if the application is not full screen?”

    This has to do with the fact that we are trained in the real world to expect that the most important information on a sheet of paper is at the top and to the left– the name and address of the respondent, for example. Also, it is more sensible to always have the system information available to us, but have the controls available for the application that we are currently working on. That keeps us from getting confused from having many applications open at the same time. But, some of this evolved from how personal computers came from single user and single application machines. I’ll not get into how Microsoft wastes screen real estate, since that is become less important with many computers sold with 20- 24 inch screens these days.

    “Application support is fine for “standard” applications, but you move a small way into the enterprise and it starts to get messy. It’s chicken and the egg, enterprises wont move (to Mac, Linux or Open Solaris) without the “big” applications being available and supported, Oracle HR for instance, Siebel, Lotus Notes – ok, the last one has just been released for Linux.

    All those macros and vbs spreadsheets that have been built will have to be re-built in OpenOffice in Python, now if OpenOffice built a Python scripting engine for Office, then new scripts could be written “cross-platform” and could be moved easily to later is another thing which is too well embedded, as is active directory.”

    Microsoft seems to be placing themselves inside an “enterprise bubble” by conforming, too much, to what big business needs. There is an incestuous relationship between “Big Business” IT departments and Microsoft that leaves out most ordinary people’s needs.

    I see this as Microsoft cutting themselves off from new customers, since the majority of the world still does not use computers. This is an opportunity for Apple to grab up the consumer side. As the business applications become increasingly complicated and esoteric, decreasing numbers of people will be attracted to Microsoft Window, because it is too hard.

    “and finally what is it with Mac only having a single mouse button, come on you can’t still be thinking that using a keyboard button with a click instead of a right click is more efficient.”

    Apple has supplied multi-button mice for four years when the “Mighty Mouse” came out as standard equipment, but it hides this capability for historical reasons. Most Macintosh users saw no need for a multi-button ( right click) mouse, since Command-click gives us the same functionality. Put this down to the “Apple way of doing things.” Most of us rarely need right-click.

    Go into the System Preferences application to the Keyboard & Mouse icon and turn on up to four different ways of using the Mighty Mouse– left-click, right-click, scroll wheel and side squeeze. Not that most of us older Mac users would ever think of doing so.

  37. okay I give – what is wrong with itunes – clearly you’re not a one-sided fanatic but what as a long time PC user do you loath about itunes? I’m not saying it’s my favorite app but it seems to do what it says it does – not perfect but I have no major problems with it – why do some PC users hate it so?

  38. I run both OSes. I don’t think either one is that great, but both are capable. As a Micro ISV I want to develop software for both platforms to maximize my user base (and profits). As far as software development goes though, Microsoft is definitely way ahead of Apple.

  39. I have tried the mac experience for the first time this past year and this is what I have found.

    Out of 4 MacBooks I have used:
    1 had the hard drive die and then after getting fixed was effected by the faulty battery problem (Yes I already had the firmware patch installed)
    1 track pad stopped working. Sent off to apple for 2 weeks to get fixed.
    1 other battery died and that too had the patch installed.
    1 was sent back because the screen bowed out and so would not close.

    Other annoyances have been,
    Asking for my work’s WEP key to be typed in EVERY TIME I log on to it.
    Every time I connect wirelessly at home, it always defaults to a access point I have never connected to and has a very poor signal strength. It does not default the my home one, the one of 2 networks it has ever connected too.
    Several websites not displaying correctly, and even crashing the computer playing .MOV files on a website.
    Browsing a domain a pain.
    HAVING to have my picture taken during installation for some reason.

    Been a windows user for as long as I could use a computer, and never got a virus and very few problems.

  40. @Richard
    ‘and finally what is it with Mac only having a single mouse button, come on you can’t still be thinking that using a keyboard button with a click instead of a right click is more efficient.’

    C’mon yourself, that teeny problem was laid to rest years ago…just plug in ANY usb/wireless mouse and you get right-click and full contextual menus with no drivers needed. Some, with Macs in mind will give added functionality with their own software.
    I can’t believe people are still hung up on this…
    I also think it’s a bit much asking the Mac/Linux developers to build-in functionality to get around Micro$oft’s non-adherence to open standards, surely it should be a requirement of all developers to write stuff that does not feed the notion of MS standards. The time has come to cut and run with open standards – Mac or Linux or whatever, I don’t care so long we get to choose and not be coral-led into an endless chain of legacy filth.

    I could go on..

  41. Good article. What struck me is your last line:

    “Yesterday’s arguments simply DO NOT APPLY.”

    The reason it struck me is because I’ve been saying this for some time now. In fact, in response to some Paul Thurrott commentary on my own blog a month ago I said this:

    “You know what, Paul? The days of writing off Apple supporters simply by claiming they’re ’emotional’ (or should ‘relax,’ are ‘drinking the Kool Aid,’ are ‘in the RDF’ or are, in a derogatory term you used when debasing certain journalists, ‘Apple sycophants’) are over. At least, they are on this blog. That stuff won’t wash here.

    You’re welcome to comment here anytime, but please bring something better than a thesaurus and 20-year old Apple vs. Microsoft “arguments” if you do. ”

    Full article is here..

  42. Arghhhhhhhh! I didn’t put my e-mail and I got an error. My lengthy post is gone!

    Anyway, OS X is really shaping out to be a standout. There are many exciting features and those who don’t think so are not looking hard enough. Coming from WinFX and .NET, one of the coolest features to me are Xcode 3.0, Xray and Objective-C 2.0. The elegance, power and speed of this development framework is simply unparalleled. It’s hard not to get excited.

  43. Nice article, I’m a retired Electrical Engineering Tech. and have worked for Apple, Ampex, and a small R&D company in Colorado called Sturman Industries. I never thought twice about Mac’s until I went to work for them in 1990, Its been my computer of choice ever since. Windows 95 was a bad copy of system 7, and in my opinion it hasn’t gotten any better since. Windows can do a lot, none of it very well. Apple on the other hand can do a lot very well all the time. I find that most objections to Apple applications fade after the learning curve is over, and don’t forget that Apple is constantly improving and upgrading, they listen to their users.

  44. I was a Windows user from 3.1 all the way through to 98, then switched to Mac. OS X, when it first came out, turned me sour because early versions were just awful. But then, after a return to Windows, Vista came along and I loathed it so much, so immediately and – importantly – lastingly, primarily because it is crippleware that constantly spies, asks for confirmation, and comes across almost like an insecure bully, I decided to give the Mac another try.

    OS X has matured beautifully. I returned to the fold less than a month ago and have a MacBook Pro that causes me no trouble whatsoever. Your words about reaching a point where you basically want something reliable that works as it should truly resonated with me. It’s so easy.

    I truly believe my switch back to Mac is permanent this time, or at least any future move won’t be back to Windows but some future unknown OS, maybe if everything moves completely into cyberspace. But that’s conjecture. What I do know is I’m not the only rebel against Vista, and Microsoft won’t change its approach. I don’t think it can.

    Apple is as big and greedy as any other giant company, so I don’t see Steve Jobs as a Saint any more than I’d see Bill Gates as the devil. But the DRM built into Vista turns my blood cold. The security measures are a joke – I know people who despite firewalls and anti-virus, anti-spyware and other protections under Vista who are plagued by viruses and trojans that get through no matter what. Yet when these people want to install a program themselves, they have to jump through hoops.

    While not every Vista detractor is going to switch to Mac, a significant number are desperate to go back to XP. Unfortunately, XP can’t be installed on many Vista-capable PCs and so in that respect Microsoft is forcing the hand of the consumer: take Vista, like it or not, and do as you’re told. That, or keep your old PC running for as long as you can and until MS drops XP support.

    But there is a third way. Mac OS X. If you really need Windows programs, you can run Windows on a Mac Intel machine easily. But I’ve delighted in using my new Mac laptop as a Microsoft-free zone. It’s easy to do – Apple’s own Pages and the rest of the iWork suite easily compete against MS Office, as does the free NeoOffice which is a port of OpenOffice.

    You upgrade the OS on a Mac, chances are you get a speed boost. Upgrade from XP or earlier to Vista, the fact is your machine will crawl after all your efforts.

    I urge any other disgruntled Windows users to try the Mac. Sure, it costs a little more. But you always pay for quality.

  45. Great breakdown and thanks for taking the time. A couple phrases left me bedazzled (WTF?), but according to your dev take, I can soon easily search them in Leopard; or even magically click the wiki version. Cool phrase here as well, the hitchhikers guide to wikipedia will surely catch on, you just might it in the IT world Chris, you seem CAF (Cool as F***)

  46. Mr. Pirillo concludes that OSX is more user friendly than VIsta (duh!), and then in order to demonstrate objectivity, makes a statement that, with all due respect, instead demonstrates that his head may at least be partially up his, ummm, rectum:

    “Before you get your panties in a bunch, remember that I can’t stand iTunes – it’s an unwieldy way of managing media (even on OS X). Moreover, I don’t like the way iPhoto manages metadata; I dream of the day Picasa gets ported to the Mac.Not everything that Apple does is pure genius.”

    ITunes is an unwieldy way to manage media? More unwieldy than stacking hundreds of CDs and DVDs in a huge shelf against your living room wall? More unwieldy than WIndows Media Center, which my friend who works at HP acknowleges as a “bust”? Please, the fact that there is no real competitor to iTunes is the proof in the pudding. And its not as if a competing media platform has been stymied by Apple by its employing Microsoft-style anti-competitive tactics, and by buying out any good competition. The simple fact is this: no one has been able to fashion a serious competitor to iTunes because no one has come up with a better design for storage and purchase of digital media.

    Pirillo doesn’t like the way iPhoto stores metadata? Answer me this Chris “Dr. Mento the Intellectual” Pirillo: what the hell is metadata? Better yet, who cares what it is? As the average Apple user, all I can tell you is that iPhoto is an excellent, streamlined way to store, organize and share photos, and it’s only getting better. I know of nothing better.

    Of course everything Apple does isn’t pure genius. Of course A-Rod doesn’t bat 1.000, and of course it doesn’t rain dollar bills and Jellybeans every other Thursday. If pure genius is the standard for product development and distribution, how does Vista even make it to within 1 mile of Mr. Pirillo’s comparison workstation/desk/cubicle/ what have you?

    Perhaps Mr. Pirillo is the “I really want to build my own computer and be able to make all sort of gearhead modifications to the OS” type user, I don’t know. Me, I just want the thing to work like clockwork after I turn it on. And it does, because its an Apple.

  47. Interesting outlook Chris. I certainly appreciate the view point that you want something that just works and is stable, and I agree that Mac gives you that. Of course that is down to Mac OS X being exclusive to one manufacturer and they have a much better level of quality control. If Microsoft’s driver certification wasn’t such an expense, the 32 bit Windows platforms would be much more stable, the 64 bit edition of Vista is far more stable because certificated drivers are a requirement, though the cost is once again prohibitive.

    Windows isn’t going anywhere for a while. However both Mac OS X and Linux will soon become much more commonplace. Linux especially at low-cost levels, or for those that don’t require the power to run modern computer games. Ubuntu, whilst not being the best Linux distro, seems to have caught the public imagination because of its marketing as a operating system for the beginner to Linux. The future for Windows is not certain, by any means.

  48. I’ve had a Mac since 2004, and now have two Macs and a PC. I use a KVM switch box to switch my keyboard, monitor, and mouse between PC and Mac, depending on what I’m doing.

    On my Macs I run OSX Tiger 10.4.6, and OS9 9.2.2, I also occaisionally boot into Panther, OSX 10.2 when I need to use Cleaner or Quicktime 6.5 without crashes. On my PC I run Windows 98 SE.

    I had a honey moon period where I loved Apple and OSX, and I still extoll its virtues to people, and have no idea why anyone would buy a normal PC again. But…but…I also love my Windows PC, and maybe the reason I’ve been able to overlook any problems with my Mac, is because I also have a PC, and as such the best of both worlds.

    To keep this comment short though, I’ll turn to bullet points:

    In my experience, Macs are best for:
    * Video Editing [ Media100, Final Cut Pro, etc ]
    * Desktop Publishing [ Quark, InDesign, Photoshop ]
    * Music Production [ Logic ]
    * Friendly OS
    * Hassle free web browsing & watching online videos.

    In my experience, PCs are best for:
    * Web Development
    * Emailing
    * Customising your OS / being a nerd / tweaks, etc
    * Games [although if you have an Intel Mac….]

    I love OSX for a hassle free, boot up, do what I want, etc, no probs.
    But two gripes with OSX Tiger are:
    1) I’m getting tired of Expose…I’m much quicker at typing than using a mouse, why can’t I switch between open windows with ALT+TAB as I can on a PC? On a Mac, I can only switch between open applications, not windows – using APPLE-TAB….not the same thing!!
    2) I had to get OSX to network with my Windows 98 Machine. This involved using Samba. Whilst I’m sure networking with XP would have been a piece of cake, all the Samba permission settings were at the unix level, and after ticking the box in the preference plane, I had to then follow an online tutorial to go into Unix, and install a Samba control panel, and then use a browser to set all the relevant permissions, etc. Why aren’t Samba options actually in the System Preferences, like everything else? Apple makes some things very easy, but completely neglects other stuff. I didn’t get a Mac just to type in a Unix terminal…that stuff scares me. =P

    Finally, Leopard is a disappointment for one reason – they made a big deal about extra secret features not unvieled yet….and with the iPhone, we were all expecting touch screen magic or something, and what we got was stacks. Which I can do already in Windows 98 by dragging a folder to the Startbar, including my recent items folder, so web downloads are immediately visible at the top of the list. And I can get pseudo stacks by dragging a folder to the OSX Dock in Tiger.
    So 10.5 feels a bit like a few minor tweaks from 10.4 rather than a whole new OS as Vista is from XP.
    Maybe OSXI (v11) will be where the big change comes.
    Or maybe there will never be big changes, and they’ll just slowly tweak it all the time.

    What I like about Windows is, it’s such a huge platform, that if Microsoft didn’t think of something – someone else somewhere has already coded it and you can download it and install it. For a nerd who likes to do those things, that’s great for setting your system up just as you want it too.

    For Apple, you’ve largely got to trust Apple to get it right themselves outta the box, which they do do most of the time…but I’m still likely to download the application switcher for the menu bar, as that was so useful in OS9, and it’s totally missing from OSX.

    In conclusion – I don’t think any of them are perfect, but I’ve got them all, so the best of both worlds.^_^ Although I don’t have leopard yet, obviously (and nor do I have XP or Vista for that matter) but that only leads me to thank you for sharing your insights as to what there is to look forwards to in Leopard.

    I was actually annoyed recently when I had a folder full of pictures in OSX Tiger, and I couldn’t see what each one was at a glance, whereas in Win98 you get a thumbnail in the side panel upon mouseover, yet in OSX, although the icons were replaced with icon-sized thumbnails, they were too small to see, and I had to double click ’em to see properly, which brought up preview, but preview didn’t recognise there were other pictures in the folder, so I couldn’t hit NEXT to see the next work, I had to close Preview, then double click the next one, etc, so crazy…so am definitely looking forwards to OSX Leopard’s QuickView feature, that lets you browse files ala coverview, etc.

  49. I think the Windows vs Mac operating system is a misnomer.

    It is irrelevent. It is the machine that they operate on that is the difference between them.

    It wouldn’t matter if you posted that the new Mac OS was the greatest thing since sliced bread, 99% of PC users are not going to change now, if they haven’t in the past already.

    It is a bit about comfort zones, better the devil you know, it is about upgradability, compatibility with programs, prevalence of the PC in business and homes.

    PC users don’t use PCs cause they are better, tho many may argue that point, they use them because they are used to them, everything works on them and if they need something changed they can do it pretty easily themselves.

    I have used Macs a fair amount, but for only limited things, like Video and Music production, outside of those arenas, I am far happier on a PC because I been using one for over 10 years.

    There is one last reason that a few older PC users won’t use a Mac. Apple the Company.

    Apple is a very invasive company. It’s programs don’t just run on top of anything, they dig into everything and really become a part of the system, there is a comment above about iTunes and its unsurpassed brilliance at cataloging a music collection…absolutely true, but many PC users avoid it like the plague because it gets into everything and all of a sudden your entire PC becomes about iTunes and Apple products.

    A fine example is the new iPhone which you are stuck using AT&T and no other service is available to you, without hacking the phone, typical behaviour from Apple, dictating decisions that should be best left to you as a user. This is something that runs through-out their products and it is why a lot of us older users avoid Apple.

    Not because PCs are better, but because with a PC I get to make my own decisions.

  50. The gist of this article seems to be that Leopard is great because it’s better than Windows Vista. That is truly ‘damnation by comparison’. If the best Apple can say about Leopard is that it is better than Vista, then it isn’t saying much. The only thing I might use on Leopard is Time Machine if it easily allows me to backup my sensitive data.

    For what it is worth, I am currently using an iMac with OS X and also an older Windows machine with XP. For some unknown reason, the XP machine runs well, does not cause problems, is not constantly attached by viruses, malware and other nasties of the Internet.

    I am getting sick of Apple enthusiasts who have to build up Apple products by tearing down Windows. That is junior high school behavior. Grow up!

  51. I have both at home, and must admit when push comes to shove I just can’t be **** to spend hours frigging around with Windows anymore to do simple things.

    Years ago it was exciting or interesting, now I just want to get on and get off with nothing in the way, so my Mac G4 white portable gets more use.

    My favourite thing is using AirTunes and AirFoil on Mac to send all music and radio by wireless round the houise – it just works!

  52. I just finished reading your article Chris, and it’s fantastic. I also finished reading everyones post. This is my personal conclusion.

    1. Mac’s are much more stable and reliable then Windows, not just because of the functionality but also because of the BSD kernel.

    2. Mac applications are somewhat ‘better’ then Windows applications.

    The last Mac computer was a iMac G3. It was see-through blue. I would say even that G3 is better then Windows Vista. I have been using Windows for about 10 years now, and I have to give it to Apple, they really know what there doing.

  53. I can play all the windows games with bootcamp and use windows program from OSX through vmware or parallels even play a lot of windows games from OSX without windows!.

    Although I love OSX because I have all the programs I need and I dont need give more time to technical maintenance, nor problems, nor virus, nor headache.

    Only hope that soon upgrade my videocard for other with advanced pixel shader (as directX 10 kind). Other macs have nvidia 8xxx videocard options.

    Mac experience is the Zen condition

  54. I use both Macs and PCs daily. Windows XP SP2 finally reached the usability plateau. With Windows’ multi configurations, I can have it work almost the same way my Macs work. I get work done and only get mildly pissed off at the OS when things slow down during updating or running anti-virus functions.

    Vista was too painful for words. I said goodbye after 2 days. It took 4 years for XP to get to adequate. Will it take Vista that long or will Microsoft pull a Windows ME and replace Vista with another OS before Vista gets fixed? I think they will throw away backwards compatibility, get Unix or Linux basic underpinnings and put a Vista like GUI on top. That should keep 40% market share for them if they get it done in time.

    Macs just work, get out of my way and let me get at it. Not having to use anti-virus software is a great time, CPU cycle and money saver.

    iTunes works the way I want it to. Drag and drop or rip from CD. Who cares where or how it stores things? It’s on iTunes and if you need to back it up iTunes will do the whole library or any playlist for you.

    Spotlight finds any individual file in seconds.

    Why be a control freak geek if you don’t have to be one?

  55. I switched to Jaguar 10.2 several years ago, ditching my SGI 320 running Windows 2000 and my SGI 02 running Irix 6.3. Been happy so far and finally bought a iMac for my home. I just got tired of fixing problems on my WIndows computers, after all that what I get paid to do at work all day long.

    Part of me is grateful to Microsoft and Windows, for without which I would not have job security and my work wouldn’t need me as much. The other part of me is annoyed when I go home to fix WIndows computers or I’m at a friend’s place on the weekend and people want my help to fix their home computers with Windows.

    I’ve also come to the point were I don’t care what people use. Sure I recommend Apple computers with Mac OSX and one external drive running SuperDuper! to anyone, but I don’t go through all the features and benefits of using Mac OSX anymore. Or how the antiquated PC BIOS doesn’t have the same useful features OpenFirmware or EFI does. I just don’t have the energy to do so anymore. If people want to use Windows despite my recommendation to use Mac OSX, then good luck to them.
    I find spending 10 minutes showing a Mac user how to backup their computer on an external drive with SuperDuper! is the best thing you can show them. If their Mac harddisk fails, power up and hold down the option key to boot off the external drive. That’s convenience people forget or don’t know how to quantify when shopping around for their own computers.

  56. for example why insist on putting the menu bar at the top of the screen even if the application is not full screen?

    The menubar is a group of special-purpose buttons, those that are most important to an application. By placing it at the top of the screen it makes those buttons have infinite height. You can’t overshoot them. This makes menu items the fastest and easiest interface element to move the mouse to. On Windows the menu bar is of equal status with every other interface element.

  57. After using windows for many years and switching to a mac I finally enjoy using my computer. There is no comparison to window. I am now using my mac and running parallel and a little mac mini out runs my del xps and is now only used to store tivo movies on it. P.s. great article.

  58. Why on earth is this blog linked to from the BBC’s website? I expected a serious discussion but got nothing more an Apple fanboy’s self-congratulary gibberish – and similar comments from his ilk. What a waste of my time.

  59. Why is it that certain Windows users (not all) insist on labelling Mac users as fan boys?

    I am a Mac user by choice and a Linux and Windows tech by profession and just as one of you mentioned earlier, when I am on my own time I want something that actually works without complaints so I choose to use a Mac.

    But it really annoys me that there are so many people who use Windows just because it’s popular yet insist on knocking something they haven’t really tried i.e. Mac or Linux.

    Windows users say we Mac users are a cult yet they insist on using something that clearly gives most people a lot of grief out of blind obedience to Microsoft. Surely that is a better definition of a cult following. We use Macs purely because they let us get on with stuff without getting in the way, not because we love Steve Jobs.

    Yes most of us are thankful to Steve and Apple for delivering great products we can use, why wouldn’t we be but don’t blow it out of all proportion.

    Someone above said they won’t switch to Mac because of the fan boys. What are you scared of? Are you afraid you will become a fan too?

    Well I say Stick to your windows suffering and those in the know will stick to Macs and Linux.

    Sorry for the rant but I don’t like the term “fan boy” it’s degrading!!!

  60. @Matt Jones

    “Bizarrely, despite being somewhat of a gadget freak, the thing that puts me off giving a Mac a go next time i replace my computer is the the fanboys”

    *sigh* Matt, I’ve been bugged by this very thing for years; the frothing Mac zealots drive me absolutely INSANE. And I’m saying this as someone who has never used anything but a Macintosh. These morons are the suppurating pimples on the backside of the Mac community, and I sincerely hope that your perception of Mac users hasn’t been tainted by exposure to these intolerant jackasses. They are an absolutely embarrassment to the vast majority of Mac users, and I despise being lumped into the same category as them.

    I bristle every time I happen to mention that I use a Mac, and the other person immediately says, “Oh, you’re a Mac fanatic, huh?” No, I’m not. I’m a Mac USER; I’m not fanatical about anything, least of all an inanimate object. What bothers me most is that people generally hear only from these mouth-breathing knuckle dragging fools. These are the ones who send obscenity-filled messages and death-threats to any journalist with the temerity to cast aspersions on the Church of Apple or His Steveness, and typically, they know absolutely NOTHING about the platform. It’s no wonder that the Mac community has the reputation we have: it’s mostly the fanatics who people usually hear from. The vast majority of Mac users are too busy doing something productive or fun to bother even reading tech blogs. In other words, WE HAVE LIVES.

    I hope that you will judge the platform on its own merits, and not let your distaste for the fanboys change your mind. That being said, I’m not an evangelist. I always tell folks interested in the Mac that I’m precisely the wrong person to ask about the differences between Macs and Windows machines, because I have no experience with other operating systems, and it would be hypocritical of me to even offer an opinion, much less bash them. Use whatever suits you.

    Mac users are usually friendly and welcoming to non-Mac users who are genuinely interested or curious, and I’ve often received warm thanks from Windows users asking about Macs, who express real surprise that a Mac user didn’t call them “sheeple” or something even more insulting. For my part, I’ve found that the vast majority of Windows and Linux folks with whom I’ve interacted are equally friendly and welcoming to an ignorant know-nothing Mac user interested in finding out about their platforms. Don’t give up on us Matt; just avoid the fools. A good rule of thumb to follow: if the person sounds like an idiot, he probably is.

  61. Typical, Apple-promotng rubbish.

    sod the operating system… how available is the software? In the case of Apple.. either NOT or priced beyond the market.

    Vista, and I think EVERYONE agrees, sucks big time….. Apple doesn’t solve the problem…it creates new ones. Stick to Xp SP2.. and get your work DONE!

  62. We’ve got at least five or six generations of Macs in this house and bought our latest, an iMac 5, last spring. Although it’s a nice machine and a reliable OS (9.x crashed more often than I care to remember!), it felt like a bit of a slap in the face to realize there was no word processor!!

    Hullo? That’s like asking if you want wheels with your auto. It takes you right back to the bad old beginning days of computing, and the various incomplete systems sold back then. We paid the Mac price for this? “Trial versions” of Word and iWorks? Fortunately, we were eligible for a legal home license of our MS Office system from work. It may only be $70 to Apple––but I don’t like being treated like a chump and nickeled and dimed when I’ve just laid out for a quality system.

  63. I’ve got two machines with Vista and Mini with 10.5 installed. I personally like the Windows machines better, I don’t find many parts of OSX that *easy* to use. For example, the authentication is one thing is easier in Windows Vista that OSX. The Mini is quiet, that’s for sure and it’s appearance sure is nice. People see how small it is and how quiet and love it. I agree. It’s not that I dislike OSX, I just don’t see enough compelling reasons to switch.

  64. Without trying to sound too cynical, what do people use their PC’s for these days other than internet, email and media. All of which seem to be recreational activities to me. Are there really that many freelancers out there who aren’t using an OS as dictated by the corporation they work for. I fail to see how cataloguing music in iTunes is more productive than doing the same in WMP. Pick an OS and run with it. If you find a specific task for your machine that is not as easy or as obvious to perform as it should be, give it time and you will learn the “most productive” way. Maybe then you will tell us all how simple it always was.

  65. @Stuart E
    To solve one of your annoyances. In the network preferences you can set Airport to connect to your preferred networks, including password protected ones. This way Airport will always first search for any of the networks you specified and connect automatically using the specified password. No hassles anymore and never have to type a password again, and when Airport cannot find any of the preferred networks it will search for a public wifi.

  66. What all it comes down to for me is can Macs play current games? If it can’t then it is no use to me. I dont like Consoles so a PC based system is the only way I play my games. Until Macs can play the current generation of games as good as a pc then I will stick to XP/Vista.

  67. I have been maintaining computers for over 16 years and most of that has been PC’s , I remember wishing that somebody at Microsoft would give bonuses to dedicated nearly driven insane engineers that supported them over the years, I wont go on but put it this way I cant watch one boot up anymore.

    I think the computers should be compared to cars, and the PC is there with the Kit car fanatics the ones that like to tinker with the engine more than drive them.
    Now as a Mac user and photographer I cant live without the reliability, I am not even that fussed about fastest I just want consistency, after all I turn the key now on my car and it starts first time every time, I don’t question it.

    I hope other manufactures start off where Apple is now, so we have more reliable choice, after all if you have a Merc, BMW, Rover or even Skoda you
    can still turn the key and get to work without thinking about it.

  68. @Edward J. Stembler: “As a Micro ISV I want to develop software for both platforms to maximize my user base (and profits). As far as software development goes though, Microsoft is definitely way ahead of Apple.”

    As with many things it depends on what aspect. In terms of developer relations I’d say Microsoft is ahead. In terms of developer tools I’d say with Leopard they’re about on par but with developer APIs Apple is way ahead of anyone else.

    Also, out of interest, did you start on Windows and go to the Mac or the other way round? I’ve not seen too many indie developers start on the Mac and then go to Windows

  69. The main thing that puts me off about owning a Mac is that I’m a gamer and I just can’t see how I could get the same performance from OSX emulating Windows to run a game, as Windows running that game natively. (Note I used the terms “Windows” and “OSX” rather than “PC” and “Mac”, as Macs pretty much are PCs now, to the extend that Windows can be installed on them).

    In an ideal world we’d see games released for X360, PS3, Wii, various other consoles, PCs *AND* OSX.

  70. OK so I just read up on what Bootcamp is. It allows a Mac user to install Windows on their Mac and then choose whether or not they want to boot in to Windows or OSX. Just like on a PC where you can choose to boot in to Linux, BeOS, a different versions of Windows, or whatever.

    If you’re doing this then you’re not using OSX to play your games and you’re running Microsoft Windows on your Mac. If that’s the case the games should run pretty well… but, for me, it nullifies the reason to use OSX over Windows because OSX isn’t actually being used.

    I think it would be cool if an average PC user like myself had the option install OSX on my hardware. I don’t see why that wouldn’t be technically possible, my PC is as “intel” based as it comes. It would certainly increase the number of people using it worldwide and encourage more software companies to make their software unix compatible.

  71. Quote “Why is it that certain Windows users (not all) insist on labelling Mac users as fan boys?”

    Cause they have nothing else to talk about. What has MS produced in the last few years? Delays releasing Vista, then releasing Vista DOA, thousands of viruses, Xbox problems, Zune failure and abandonment of Plays for Sure”.

    Making fun of Mac users is the only fun they have left.

  72. ajmetz:

    Switch between open applications: Command-Tab
    Switch open application windows: Command-`

    As for having to rely SOLELY on Apple for everything. That’s ridiculous, there is a wide array of shareware and freeware available that does all kinds of things that Apple doesn’t provide.

    Mac OS X provides a lean, elegant and solid foundation. You can build up from there. I literally have scores of third-party apps and utilities that I rely on.

    Check around.

    The VersionTracker and Macupdate websites list thousands of applications and utilities that help you do a wide array of things. Interface tweaks? Productivity? Plug-Ins and add-ons to existing applications? You name it, you’ll probably find it. Look for 4 or 5 star ratings and try them out.

  73. Paul Randall “Why is it that certain Windows users (not all) insist on labelling Mac users as fan boys?”

    One reason is that there is a large percentage of vocal Mac users who react to negative comments by attacking people with lines like “wake up” or “dumb arse” (very mild examples), instead of taking a deep breath and addressing such comments calmly and assertively. Politics and religion are no less contentious; there are radicals in both camps who scream and attack before looking and thinking. In all my years of browsing the forums on Mac and MS OSes, however, I have seen far more Mac users than MS users flame anyone who doesn’t agree with their OS of choice. I understand their angry responses to criticism, as they are the market’s minority brand and OS, and it sucks to be constantly reminded of such, but ‘incitement to riot’ is no excuse to riot.

    I have used both OSes for many years and agree with earlier comments that both do a decent, but not perfect job. They both have a long way to go to jolt me out of my blasé attitude. Zzzzzz…

  74. ajmetz AGAIN:

    When you have ANY Finder Window open: Got to the View Menu then Window Options… (at the bottom), or hit Command – J

    You set the icon size either globally or just in the current window from 16 pixels to 128. You can set Icon Preview, Item info (shows number of items in a Folder), etc., show by Name, Date,etc.

    In Column View, you can set Icon Preview. Select an item, the it shows a 128 pixel preview to the right. If it’s a movie or sound file you can play it directly fom there, even expand the colum and enlarge the preview.

    If you play a movie file, minimize the window to the Dock and it will continue playing!

    Do a little more research. Better yet, PLAY with it a little! There’s plenty to discover.

    As for Jody Chen’s comment: i agree. The “Apple fanboi” label is irritating. Mac users like, even LOVE their Macs, so you’ve got to excuse them for it. I’ve found the Mac community in general to be open, enthusiatic and quite helpful to Mac and Windows users alike. Yes, there are the foam-at-the-mouth variety, but they’re best ignored.

    Oddly enough, Mac users often think that Windows users exhibit signs of being afficted by Stockholm Syndrome.

  75. I’ve read all of this with some interest. Some comments made me smile, some made me shake my head.. I earn my living from supporting Windows, and have done since Windows 3.x.
    I have to say though that the older I get the less tolerant of Windows I am becoming. Why?
    I also want to just get onto a machine that just works, without the endless tweaking, which I used to enjoy doing but not anymore. I was part of the beta Vista program because part of what I do is testing our software apps on different platforms.. Vista’s endless prompts just to get an application intstalled and up and running means that MS will continue to pay my mortgage for the time being, which is a good thing.
    I have tried a friends MAC mini, he used to be a hard bitten windoze man, and he still works in a Windows support environment.. I was impressed by the machine, its compact size and its performance, and how easy it was to use. My friend has said he will not go back to using a Windows machine for personal use.
    Good article Chris.

  76. Having used macs as a child then switching to windows for the majority of my life I can honestly say I enjoyed using the mac more. I am no zealot by any means. The way I see it is that you should just go for what you are more comfortable with, i mean seriously who cares if you use OSX, Windows or Linux as long as you get the job done?

    Windows can be a very stable operating system as can OSX. They both can be easy to use; its just a matter of learning the OS. Windows users should be happy there are alternative OS’s out there. At least consumers are given a choice. Don’t like Windows? Try OSX.. try linux.. you have a choice. Same goes with OSX and Linux users.

    Vista could develop into a great OS down the road. Ok.. maybe a long way down the road. In the end its still a matter of preference. My personal preference is to switch back to using a Mac and if I need to do something that can only be done on Windows I can always boot it up and get the work done.

  77. *Sigh* this boring old chestnut of a debate has been going on for years.

    If you want to do virtually anything you want with a computer cheaply and easily, i.e. have access to 95% of the software available on the planet and access to the most cutting edge graphics capabilities, buy Windows. XP went through all the same criticism until everything was fixed by the service packs, now everyone who uses it loves it. If there is a real problem it is that Micro$oft release broken software and fix it on the fly, while Apple release stable software in the first place. The security arguments that Mac users sometimes come up with are rubbish. There are very little Mac hacks or viruses because there are (a) very few Macs, so the hackers don’t bother, and (b) most serious hackers (i.e. extremely talented computer users) use Linux or Windows, which is PC based. The Mac hardware is a bit of a myth nowadays as well, since they swapped to the x86 format, Macs are basically just another PC in an overpriced shiny box.

    In summary:

    Any type of true PC enthusiast – Get Windows or Linux.

    Want a stable and reliable if expensive office/industry machine or a ridiculously overpriced web browser/word processer for the home but are not really into/don’t understand/dont want to have to learn about computers but the shiny box matches your cufflinks – Get OS X and a Mac.

  78. In response to ajmetz (August 31, 2007 @ 12:59 pm)

    You’re gripes are solved very easily through a bit more knowledge of the system:
    1) When in expose, you can use the arrow keys and the return button to select the window you want. Alternatively you can cycle through the application as you say by APPLE + TAB, and cycle through the windows of the application by APPLE + ~
    2) Personally I have found no problems networking with 98. If you activate Windows file sharing in the Sharing preference pane (funnily enough), all you have to do is go to \\your.I.P.address\yourusername in Windows explorer.

  79. “I run both OSes. I don’t think either one is that great, but both are capable. As a Micro ISV I want to develop software for both platforms to maximize my user base (and profits). As far as software development goes though, Microsoft is definitely way ahead of Apple.”
    Here is a .net developers perspective on developing for Apple (cocoa) poke around a bit:

  80. HAHAHAHA, what a stupid review, there is no competion between Leopard and Vista!!! Vista blows, its basically Windows ME 2.0. Give me a freakin break, you cant even compare the two. Its a shame to even try to put VS. in between Leopard and vista. I mean come on, are you that lame Chris? I know your pretty basic when it comes to computers but this is elementary.

  81. Apple is great at design, but not especially good at operating system kernels. They gave up on their in-house OS and fell back on UNIX, an operating system that is woefully obsolete today.

    The perfect PC would have an Apple UI and shell, with the Windows NT kernel and DirectX for advanced 3D graphics and games. NT’s kernel is still considerably more advanced than any version of UNIX, with kernel threads, fibers, events, completion ports, asynchronous I/O, multiple heaps, and a collection of concurrency control features. Some of these features have been kludged into UNIX inrecent years, but it was never designed to do these things.

    The PC should also be an open hardware platform like the Windows PC is, but the Mac is not. I should be able to select from different competing hardware vendors, or pull out my nVidia graphics card and install an ATI card if I so desire.

  82. The issue of locking into hardware puts me off going Mac OS X, Mac hardware certainly costs more than a few nickels. Give it a couple of years and attempt upgrading some of the components, or replacing a faulty component when the price totals more than the value of the system. I’m more than happy with Vista running on this machine that I built myself.

  83. Does YESTERDAY”S ARGUMENTS include the fact that Apple will never have support for applications like Windows will. Stating that you hate iTunes does not disguise the fact that you are indeed an Apple Fanboy and like most Apple Fanboys in the media, Leo Laporte being a classic example, you fail to recognize that the overwhelming majority like Windows and are happy with it. A Mac to most will always be considered a pretty toy and your feeble attempts to woe the unconverted will remain just that, a feeble attempt.

  84. From an earlier commenter: “I was actually annoyed recently when I had a folder full of pictures in OSX Tiger, and I couldn’t see what each one was at a glance, whereas in Win98 you get a thumbnail in the side panel upon mouseover, yet in OSX, although the icons were replaced with icon-sized thumbnails, they were too small to see, and I had to double click ‘em to see properly, which brought up preview, but preview didn’t recognise there were other pictures in the folder, so I couldn’t hit NEXT to see the next work, I had to close Preview, then double click the next one, etc, so crazy…so am definitely looking forwards to OSX Leopard’s QuickView feature, that lets you browse files ala coverview, etc.”

    One cool way to view a folder full of pictures is Command-A (or Edit > Select All), then right-click on a picture and choose “Slideshow” from the contextual menu.

  85. Having used PCs most of my working life, I tried a switch to the Mac some years ago. OS X 10.1 and a G3 iMac. It didn’t work for me at all. 10.1 had lots of bugs. But about 3 years ago I tried the switch again, and this time I didn’t look back. 10.4 is an amazing OS, and I think the new features in Leopard are excellent. They all seem focused on improving productivity, and I can see numerous ways for me to save time with my work.

    Like others commenting here, I have tried Vista. I support it and I was on the Beta programme. It just really isn’t anything to write home about. The new security features are unimpressive, and all the song and dance about Flip 3D is totally unwarranted – it’s just a prettier looking Alt-Tab. Give me Expose any day.

    The sad thing is that Microsoft can do amazing things. The Office suite is excellent, and Exchange is brilliant (although a pig to configure for beginners). XBox 360 with its Live service is brilliant, and the new Surface ( is mind blowing. They are also funding amazing technologies like Seadragon, and yet despite all this they can’t build a decent OS. I wonder if it’s the backward compatibility that holds them back. Perhaps we are witnessing the first stages in a shift in focus for Microsoft.

    For me Apple is best for OS by a mile, and the hardware is outstanding. My MacBook Pro 17″ is all the computer I could ever want.

  86. Max_Normal – Microsoft are still fixing bugs in Windows XP… 6 years later!

    I used XP and I didn’t love it. In fact I don’t know a single person in all the hundreds I support on XP that do love it.
    95% of the software on the planet is crap.
    There are more than enough Macs in the world to provide a healthy incentive for some cracker to produce a virus. Most of the internet runs on UNIX – I would say that’s very enticing to virus writers. No, the reason there are no viruses on Mac is because, unlike Windows, OS X does not allow any piece of software or web page to modify the kernel.
    Most serious hackers use Linux or Windows? Which survey did you get that statement from? High-end users rarely use Windows in my experience. OS X offers the power of UNIX (including clustering) with the best GUI available.

    Apple computers are no more expensive than PCs with comparable specs, build-quality and included software. Plus, you clearly haven’t factored in residual value. Your PC is almost worthless the minute you buy it, but 3 years later you can still sell your Mac for 40% of the purchase price. I have a PowerMac G4 I bought second hand 3 years ago. It’s now 5 years old, and I will be installing Leopard on it shortly. I’ve never had a PC last 5 years, and you would be hard pushed to find any 5 year old PC capable of running Vista without being upgraded.

    The last PC I bought was a Sony laptop, which cost 1000GBP. 14 months later the motherboard died and Sony want nearly 600GBP to fix it.

    Cheap??? Hardly.

    You say: “…not really into/don’t understand/dont want to have to learn about computers but the shiny box matches your cufflinks – Get OS X and a Mac.”

    I have to wonder if you have ever even used OS X. So, people that are computer beginners can get on a Mac and use it without having to understand the inner workings – that’s a bad thing how? Plus, OS X offers X Windows, and UNIX command line so professionals are catered for too.

  87. Yet another bevy of Mac fanboys and apologists.
    Ok ok little fairies your Fake oops Mac OS tiger, cat, bitch is all better.

    Nothing new to read here. Moving on…

  88. I work in GIS and sadly the major software leaders have simply ignored the mac, yet the newest edition of my software is not compatable with vista…it is even more frustrating as macs are far more suited to support GIS software.

    Microsoft will continue to prosper when software companies only make their products compatable on windows OS.

    As for me, I have only had limited use on a mac; whilst at univeristy and all in all it was a much better experience. I would love to get linux but as someone who doesn’t know much about OS systems I have no idea how to go about it, especially getting it to support the software I already use

  89. I’m happy with Vista. It’s probably the best version of Windows I’ve used. But it’s still Windows, and it’s not perfect. I’ve dabbled with other OSes and been impressed, but I can’t change my OS because the moment I do so, the thousands of dollars worth of software I have becomes unusable.

    I have thrown down the gauntlet to readers of my column over at RealVG in the past – if I can run every single program I have without compatibility issues, open every document I have and continue to work on them without incident, and play every game I own without any glitches or loss of save data, I will happily switch. But it’s not happening. I am tethered to an OS that isn’t brilliant. Oh well. At least I can still play Worms Armageddon…

  90. Regarding Richard’s question about the menubar way up top, I will say this:

    The OS X menubar is decidedly sub-optimal when using multiple monitors. If the monitors are side-by-side, then you have to keep going back and forth, which can be quite a long distance. Even if you have mouse acceleration cranked up, you still have to look from one monitor to the other just to see the menu.

    I wish that there was an optional menubar on top of each monitor, perhaps which only shows up when you command-right-click or something. Or perhaps there could be active applications for each monitor, and each monitor would show the menubar for its active app.

  91. Rob wrote: ” but, for me, it nullifies the reason to use OSX over Windows because OSX isn’t actually being used.”

    Sure, but you only use Windows when you’re gaming. It’s like pulling out an XBox 360 for a while. When you’re done, you put it away and reboot back into OS X.

    In my case, I have BootCamp installed but I only used it once after Christmas for an all-night session of Marvel: Ultimate Alliance. Haven’t really used it since then. I’m not much of a gamer.

    If you would mostly be playing games, and rarely anything else, then yeah, there’d be little point buying a Mac. Might as well get a PC, or a console.

  92. I have several clients that ordered new Dell and HP machines that came with vista, they used them for about a month and then had me come in and install XPpro. Now I played with all the betas from MS and was not really impressed, it was more a necessity being a contractor. My main ‘working’ thinkpad laptop runs XP and Fedoracore, XP to work in project is the main reason it’s on there at all. I’ve pretty much ignored macs due to their limited corporate use and have moved a few business’s to Linux BUT the show stopper there is Quickbooks. Almost all the accountants here in the US use it, hence the small business’s also need it. I do intend to explore QB on mac. As far as vista is concerned I have one new system that I built mainly for A/V, it runs Vista Ultimate, I’m not impressed, yes it’s quick, however it took me a full week to just find stuff, it took me 2 hours to figure out how to get the ‘run’ back so I could open a command line window. On the flip side I have been told that the vista gui was designed for someone who knows nothing about computers and it is supposed to be intuitive so maybe me knowing too much is a handicap to the new OS. Maybe I need a 5 year old to watch and learn from, anybody got a spare one they could loan me for a couple of weeks :-)
    But then again with some of the 5 year olds I’ve seen who know XP they may be at the same disadvantage too….
    Fedoracore with openoffice is sweet on every system I have loaded it on and that includes older P4’s in the 1.4ghz range from 4 years ago. It has been a drop in on every one whether Intel or AMD.

  93. Hmm, you don’t like iTunes, Chris? I think it’s fine. I mean, on Windows, iTunes does suck, but I still have to use it. That’s why I need a Mac. :)

    I do like iTunes. I remember when you were looking at Lepoard iTunes, those cool visualizations. Those were real cool. But on Windows they will probably nix those visualizations because Windows would probably lock up.

    I am a Linux user, so I can’t use iTunes. It doesn’t even work under Wine. I cant wait for a Wine version that opens Mac applications :)

  94. to switch or not to switch… the question only makes sense if…. 1. you already own a mac and want to dual boot or 2. you are considering ditching the PC and going Mac.

    I have to ask why Apple does not just bite the bullet and release the Operating System for the PC. (Technically not difficult) and it would be likely the open source guys would start doing driver work.

    I mean in all truth, Linux can be nice, but no matter how good Ubuntu gets, it just does not have the marketing muscle of Apple or MS, and so will remain for the foreseeable future and ‘nerd’ product.


    p.s. ( i am qualified to talk ‘nerd’ cuase I have a copy – just don’t use it… reason: no photoshop, no dreamweaver – nuff said).

  95. ajmetz – go to say that I disagree totally with your sentiment that PCs are better for Web development, unless maybe if you’re doing .Net work or something ? I work full time as a Ruby on Rails developer, and in the past have programmed Perl and PHP too. OS X totally rocks for web development – you’ve got Apache built in, MySQL or Postres are just a package download away, and you’re got access to incredible tools like TextMate, CSSEdit or Coda (or, if you’re braindead, even Eclipse).

    How are PCs better for Emailing too ? Now, I’m starting to suspect you’re talking about Exchange server here – but then again it’s hardly surprising that Microsoft’s OS works best with Microsoft’s proprietary email standard, no ?

    As for windows switching – Cmd-Tab switches apps, and Cmd-~ switches between windows of an app. I also find Cmd-h highly useful to (hide an application).

  96. Hopefully Apple wont make the same mistake as M$ when it comes to their new OS. Recently got a factory outlet PC and it came with Vista – a total let down – a number of my applications wont run on it, other applications crash, some of my hardware doesnt work but most of all it is completely over complicated! In attempting [i guess they did try?] to make the user interface more intuitive and easy to use they have achieved the absolute opposite. And what is with all this stuff like Windows calender, Windows mail etc which you cant seem to remove? These are pointless, completely independent applications which probably wont make it into the next version, offer no integration and yet you are stuck with them. As ever they are the cheap bundled alternative to an integrated solution such as Outlook. Sure enough I installed XP and all my programs, games etc work great. I also get a choice about what Windows wants me to have cluttering up my start menu! At least apple have a nack for keeping things simple and clutter free.

  97. Sometimes I have no idea what the Windows slaggers are on about. I have used the same box for over five years with the same Windows XP install and have never had a virus kill me or an impossible hardware issue or any of the other bugaboos that supposedly make life hell. I have installed *thousands* of programmes and tweak at many different things, some professionally (audio, graphics, programming). Has the system crashed? Yes, but generally only when pushing it to the limit, using alpha software etc. Has it worked day-in day-out in a dependable way? Yes. Do I have far more options in terms of software than an Apple? Yes. Is XP a better OS? No.

    But the work gets done. The games get played. The music gets created.

    I have used Mac OS, NextStep, mainframes, LINUX servers, Tandy’s etc. etc. XP is fine for me.

  98. Rod said,

    “OK so I just read up on what Bootcamp is. It allows a Mac user to install Windows on their Mac …

    If you’re doing this then you’re not using OSX to play your games and you’re running Microsoft Windows on your Mac. If that’s the case the games should run pretty well… but, for me, it nullifies the reason to use OSX over Windows because OSX isn’t actually being used.”

    The point about Bootcamp is that it was never designed to satisfy a Window’s gamers needs. That market along with the Enterprise market is too specialized for Apple. What Apple is aiming for is the Consumer market of people who want to use a computer for general use (web, email, and running minor applications etc) and not be constantly bugged by it. Apple has discarded all the tinkerers except for those who want to use its UNIX underpinnings.

    “I think it would be cool if an average PC user like myself had the option install OSX on my hardware. ”

    That isn’t going to happen because Apple gets its money from selling hardware. The Mac OS is a come-on for Macintosh computer sales; releasing it to run on PC hardware destroys that incentive. Apple will never sell enough copies of its OS to make up for the lost revenues.

    The fact that the Mac can run every other OS makes it the most flexible computer on the planet. It makes the Mac a universal computer. How can you lose? If you don’t like Mac OSX then run Windows, Linux, Sun, etc.

    Everyone agrees that Apple makes beautiful hardware. If you are a beauty-hating utilitarian or a fanatical penny pincher, then don’t buy Apple.

    “I don’t see why that wouldn’t be technically possible, my PC is as “intel” based as it comes. ”

    Of course it is technically possible, but there is no money for Apple in satisfying your needs to tinker.

    “It would certainly increase the number of people using it worldwide and encourage more software companies to make their software unix compatible.”

    The Mac was UNIX v3 certified because of its FreeBSD underpinnings. Apple doesn’t use the Linux kernel because the Mach micro kernel is better designed for a Graphical User Interface.

    Linux does quite well in server software, but is not going anywhere fast in the Desktop environment. I’m not knocking Linux. These OS’s fit the needs of different market segments.

  99. @David Hurst

    (1) Max_Normal – Microsoft are still fixing bugs in Windows XP… 6 years later!
    I used XP and I didn’t love it. In fact I don’t know a single person in all the hundreds I support on XP that do love it.

    My version is perfectly stable thanks, and has been since SP2. NOT a windows fanboy, I slagged M$ for releasing buggy software in my rant. My main and most pertinent point is, PCs can do anything, Macs are an excellent but limited platform for industry. Please do not misrepresent me.

    (2) Ever heard of a hacker or a cracker using a Mac? Dream on, this is fanboy propaganda. Macs will never be mainstream, so we’ll probably never know how they’d break their security, but rest assured that they would.

    (3) Anyone who buys a computer as an investment is a fool, but Macs have nothing to compete with but other Macs. I seriously doubt your statistics, but if they are true you are implying that progress and performance are not high on the shopping list for a Mac user. Apples are expensive, sorry if you unwittingly bought a crap PC, the last one I built lasted me four years with upgrades, and would still be going if not for this one. ANYONE knows that OEM is better than mass produced as you get top manufacturers components rather than a stamped out one-off onboard everything motherboard. Learn from this experience.

    (4) My 71 year old mother learned on a PC and has just published her first website, frankly you comment here is utter b*llocks, anyone can learn on a PC. Why teach them on a Mac when they have to go into the real world where almost everybody else uses a PC? PCs are easy.

    (5) Yes, sometimes I have to use a Mac as I am a research scientist scientists who just want to do presentations at conferences etc insist on them. On the other hand, we use solely PCs with windows for 3D reconstructions of confocal microscope images, DTP, quantitative PCR, driving my fluorometer, driving my spectrophotometer, driving our £750,000 LSM 510 laser scanning confocal microscopes etc etc and many more. They all perform excellently. Unfortunately, the software and interfaces are just not available for using Macs to do this. PS, I love F.E.A.R and Oblivion on my home PC as well. Vista sucks, but it is such a stable game platform.

  100. “in OSX, although the icons were replaced with icon-sized thumbnails, they were too small to see”

    Then change the size — on Tiger anything up to 128 x 128 pixels is available to be set as the default in the “View” menu.

  101. People who decry the one-button mouse are people who come from operating environments were multiple button mice were REQUIRED by the UI.

    All those years, people assumed that if Windows made a certain use of the 2nd button, then apple’s lack of a 2nd button meant a lack in the OS. Quite the opposite is true. The user experience was and is largely simplified compared to Windows or Linux (any flavor) and one consequence was the lack of necessity to slam extra buttons on the mouse.

    keep in mind that when the Mac came out, the manuals had to instruct people on HOW TO USE A MOUSE. In the service of clearer teaching, you never have to teach a user the right way to click a one-button mouse.

    And even today, with the multiple buttons, the secondary mouse-button (right-button to you non-Mac folks) is only a shortcut to functionality that’s already there, exposed in a progressive-disclosure pattern to users.

  102. @ Richard

    “There are somethings that I hate, for example why insist on putting the menu bar at the top of the screen even if the application is not full screen?”

    Absolutely. NeXTSTEP, on which OS X is based, didn’t do that. The menus could be placed wherever you wanted them. Unfortunately, OS X followed the Mac convention instead (in this and in some other unfortunate ways).

    A menu-bar at the top of the screen is looking increasingly stupid with the size of screens nowadays. How much better if you could place the menu where you wanted! You see here the NeXT user has Mail open and the menu for it positioned just to the left of the application. How handy that would be on a 30″ cinema screen, thereby avoiding all those needless trips up to the top of the screen!

    There is a hack to do this on OS X, but I tend to avoid 3rd-party stuff that modifies the system:

    Perhaps OS X will go back to the better NeXT paradigm eventually. One can only hope.

  103. What’s a better paradigm for managing, browsing and playing a music collection than iTunes?

    Sure, you hate it, but why? What paradigm is better? Don’t just show examples of what else is out there, but if you have an opinion of why one way sucks, you should find it easy to explains which way(s) suck(s) less.

    For my own part, iTunes perfectly maintains the illusion that an item is a Song or an Album. I never have to think of these as mp3 or aac files on a disk. Ever.

    and i real life, when I had a CD collection, it were organized alphabetically by artist, then chronologically within an artist’s collection. Wherever a given song I was looking for was, well, for that I just had to remember which album it was on.

    Further, the multi-pane (usually 3) “drill down” pattern is *everywhere*, including most of the Windows apps that deal with large numbers of items.

    Mail has inboxes; each inbox has messages; each message has a displayable content.

    A network has file servers, each file server has volumes, each volume has file/folder items.

    A photo collection has albums, each album has photos, each photo is a displayable/editable item.

    What’s your proposed alternative to this pattern?

  104. Sorry, Rob, for getting your name wrong in my last post.

    Max_Normal said

    “If you want to do virtually anything you want with a computer cheaply and easily, i.e. have access to 95% of the software available on the planet and access to the most cutting edge graphics capabilities, buy Windows. ”

    Do you see how obsolete that argument is now that the Mac can run both Mac and Windows software? That is, it can run 100% of the world’s software?

    What “cutting edge graphics capabilities” are you talking about, but $1000+ video gaming cards? Sorry, Apple doesn’t serve that market or the Enterprise market. So, why bring it up? Desperation?

    “XP went through all the same criticism until everything was fixed by the service packs, now everyone who uses it loves it.”

    I have heard of many people who defend Windows XP, but I’ve never heard of anyone who loves it. Tolerates it? Yes. Thinks that they need it to get their work done? Yes. Propagandized into thinking that there are no alternatives? Yes. Afraid of using anything else? Yes. Afraid that converting to a Mac would be too hard or too expensive? Yes. The words Love and Microsoft Windows never appear in the same sentence. They are oxymoron’s.

    “The security arguments that Mac users sometimes come up with are rubbish. There are very little Mac hacks or viruses because there are (a) very few Macs, so the hackers don’t bother, and (b) most serious hackers (i.e. extremely talented computer users) use Linux or Windows, which is PC based. The Mac hardware is a bit of a myth nowadays as well, since they swapped to the x86 format, ”

    Do you realize that you just contradicted yourself?

    1. Mac’s aren’t hacked because there are too few of them sold.
    2. The talented hackers are on the windows/ Linux side.
    3. Mac’s use the same hardware as PC’s now. So, they share the same hardware vulnerabilities. Hence, should be hacked as much, since it is so easy.

    So, why are there NO exploits of Mac OSX software in the Wild? Yes, there are vulnerabilities that are either patched quickly by Apple or that never become a general problem. Why is that there are more Linux vulnerabilities than Apple ones? The only reasonable answer is that there is something fundamentally different with the Mac OS.

    Or can it be that Microsoft/ Linux irritates people so much that they want to destroy it by hacking it? Does that undercut the “popularity” argument?

    “Macs are basically just another PC in an overpriced shiny box.”

    Obviously, you have never priced a comparably equipped Mac. Sure, you can buy a cheaper computer. But, that usually either gets you junk or sacrifices functionality.

    Can you build a PC out of parts that out performs a Mac? Sure, but you have to pay more to do that. Why? Because you have to spend hundreds of hours researching the various PC hardware to make sure you aren’t being sold junk.

    If you say that you got the same thing as a Mac for less money, that is because you put a zero value on your time. Most of us who’s time is worth something would rather buy a name brand. That way we get some guarantees.

    A comparably equipped name brand PC, such as a Dell or a HP, costs the same or more than a Mac, these days.

  105. “There are somethings that I hate, for example why insist on putting the menu bar at the top of the screen even if the application is not full screen?”

    Because the menus are an often-used element, and putting them at the top reduces the dimensionality of the mouse-targetting to 1+ dimension: horizontal. Why? Because there’s no chance at overshooting in the vertical direction with the mouse. you just slam the mouse up and it stops at the menu bar.

    One could easliy ask why every window in windows wastes all that space where the title is, and also where the menu bar is, when you never need more than one menu bar in use at any given time.

    You could argue that using the keyboard to navigate menus is better anyway, but I’d argue that menu bars in windows are difficult enough to target in two dimensions that you force yourself to learn the keyboard nav.

    Excepting, of course, those with special physical needs…but Apple has a great solution for that.

  106. I dream of the day programs are all web-based. I am a postgraduate researcher in an applied computer science field and have to say from having 3 operating systems that Macs are lovely family machines, crap at most other tasks (yes, including image editing software). If I am forced to look at the colour-wheel for another 5 minute period the mini is being reassigned to paperweight duty.

    Should I buy Vista or Leopard? No, I should keep my XP box to do any of that necessary .exe stuff and use my Ubuntu/Fedora box for absolutely everything else. I don’t even use MSN Messenger anymore, I connect through meebo. OpenOffice is a perfectly good substitute for MS Office, better still (although I haven’t used MS Office in years) it converts things to pdf. For the rest there is usually a web interface. To be completely honest, the only thing my windows machine needs is a monthy re-format so as I dont have to crack or pay for Photoshop CS3 (GIMP, the opensource option is dreadful and doesn’t even stick to doing trivial things the same way as Photoshop!).

    Lets hope that one day things truly platform independant or that the operating system provides needs no more function than to process and store files. Until then, can’t we educate the casual user more on the ease of doing things via linux?

  107. I bought windows vista a month ago and i think it’s great, it’s easy to use, it’s familiar (i used to have xp, and i believe that being familiar is one of windows greatest strengths) and it all works together. However, i believe that macs are better at life stuff as they have always said and i prefer the look of them, but thats it. I believe that macs are good for teenagers who like surfing the net and editing pictures, and also for profesional photogrophers and people in the music industry. I don’t see why apple and windows can’t co-exist, there both good at there separate things and thats i believe how it should stay.

  108. After 17 years on windows…i got sick of all the security programs i had to buy, that clogged it up and slowed it down and eventually missed some beastie anyway…. and last Feb i bought a ibook. It was so much faster better and easier to use than windows on my old laptop…well i just got a 24″ new model iMac…
    just the functionality and speed of the spotlight is enough to have made the transition worth while…who cares about leopard…Tiger already gives vista the shitz.
    Wish i could have afforded to do this sooner…still think apple is over priced…
    [$900- for 4GB of Ram I can get at new egg for under $200]
    i bought the minimum ram from Apple and got my 4GB on line…
    the only dissappointment w/ the iMac is the shitty old vid card….
    but it seems to being doing the job so….who cares

  109. “Yet another bevy of Mac fanboys and apologists.
    Ok ok little fairies your Fake oops Mac OS tiger, cat, ***** is all better.

    Nothing new to read here. Moving on…”

    Don’t you have to work on your my space page?

  110. Chris – thanks for the interesting thoughts. Personally I happen to think that the most significant features of Leopard are:

    – Time Machine. Backup isn’t a “sexy” feature, and it’s been done ad nauseam already. But imagine the impact to the average user’s perception of computer reliability and trustworthiness when hopefully a majority actually start using Time Machine. Computer crash that wipes out your data? Never again. Your computer becomes a virtual entity that can be restored down to any physical box, and you march on. Yeah, yeah, Vista has it already, CompletePC and all that, but in typical Microsoft fashion it’s part of a mishmash of related yet confusingly not related features like Previous Versions, et al. At the end of the day, the telltale metric for the success of such capability on either platform will be: “What percentage of users are actually using it?”

    – Data visualization & navigation. This is really an umbrella category for a handful of Leopard features, and it’s something that seems to be turning into a trend for Apple. First it was Expose. Then Cover Flow, which now gets extended to the Finder and joins Quick Look, Spaces and Stacks. I think Apple “gets” the problem of information overload and is doing their darndest to help users overcome it with a collection of tools that attempt to make browsing lots of data and busy digital spaces engaging and rewarding instead of tedious and headache-inducing. And I think that Core Animation, for all its potential benefits, is largely about extending the kit to build more tools in this arena to third party developers.

    Before someone screams “Apple fanboy!” I want to mention that I make my living supporting Windows systems in an enterprise IT organization. I think I’m pretty realistic about the challenges that would be involved in this type of environment moving to Macs, and I don’t see it happening soon (but I try to keep an open mind to any possibility).

    That said, what are the two biggest things that give our users fits? 1) Data loss, 2) Not being able to get to what they need quickly, which often includes fighting with unhelpful help systems and half-baked representations of data (don’t even get me started on that Outlook nightmare called Personal Folders!). I think Leopard puts some very interesting ideas on the table for the industry that challenge how we’ve traditionally thought about these kinds of problems.

    Finally, your mention of application packaging and configuration intrigued me, since I’m not aware of any new developments in Leopard on this front. While OS X’s methods for this are generally superior to that hellhole called the Windows Registry, I’d like to see Apple advance this further. It’s a shame that developers still have to write their own code for patching, license management, crash reporting, uninstall (if they really need it), and so on, when the OS really could provide these features for them. (Side note to Adobe – go have that team that wrote your infuriating updater utility sit at the feet of the AdiumX folks and learn.)

  111. I aggre with the help system on Windows. It should be usefull for a computer noob. I don’t know why they never looked seriously onto it. The UI always changed on every version of windows, but the underlying contents is still the freaking same. On WinXP (i never bother to use Vista) i found plenty outdated docs from windows98.

    Linux desktops Help system is so much better than Microsoft.

  112. Microsoft’s OS’s have about 86% of the worlds market share. Apple’s Mac OS’s have about 6% (data taken from September 2007).

    As a Software Developer I will look to create applications for the PC.

    As a Gamer there are more and better (imho) games for the PC.

    As a Network Administrator, I have never heard arguments from the Mac camp about how great their Server software is, and how it plans to stomp all over the dominent business user base.

    You can argue all you like about how great the mac is for home users – hell I’ll even advocate it myself over Window’s – but put simply those stats above will never be reversed, and I’d love anyone to argue differently.

  113. My 2 month old MBP has crashed more than my XP machine has in 12 months.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love my Mac, but it just does not seem as solid as Windows does, the OS X interface reminds me of early Linux disasters with regards to actually correctly registering mouse clicks. Why does clicking the window close button sometimes not do anything, but then clicking again a second later without moving the mouse minimise the window? Why do folder expansion icons not work in Finder all the time? Once again attempting to re-click results in the folder opening full screen.

    Windows certainly has its faults, but to suggest OS X is a paragon of stability and usability would be stretching things.

  114. The first (i)Mac entered our family two years ago, since then PC’s have been edged out completely: We now have 6 macs running and and for one gaming PC used by our teenage son.

    Life is so much simpler, I don’t spend hours trying to sort problems out, things just work. This weekend I decided to install Parallels and XP on one of our laptops (to run a commercial cd that doesn’t run on OS X) and all the Windows woes rusehd back into my existence. Parallels itself installed like a dream. But XP!! my god what a nightmare! Installing from the WP upgrade CD was ok, but then i had to find the old W98 CD (thank god we hadn’t binned that! But I found it and the install went fine. But then I needed to run the updates, apply SP2 etc, it took me all day Sunday, processes stalled, updates were skipped, failed, I did manage in the end but a whole day! for one machine that’s absurd!

  115. Richard (August 31):

    “and finally what is it with Mac only having a single mouse button, come on you can’t still be thinking that using a keyboard button with a click instead of a right click is more efficient.

    I could go on..”

    Are you right-handed by any chance? I’m a lefty and to be honest, I think that being able to move the mouse across the desk and use it without any reconfiguration at all is a good way of doing it.

    On the other hand, Apple no longer ship one button mice, but the mighty mouse isn’t really all that bad. The buttons aren’t quite configurable enough for my liking though: some options are not available (like context menus)

  116. I think Chris is being a little disengenious here….

    One of the compelling reasons to switch to Mac (beyond Mac OS X — for all the reasons mentioned above) is actually the Mac applications.

    I totally disagree about limitations on iTunes and iPhoto..

    The iLife suite is what makes the Mac such a joy to work with…

    Managing Meta-Data and the library-management centric approach with handling media (e.g. Movies, TV Shows, Music, Photos)… is what Macs it easy for most people.

    The whole point of tools like iTunes/iPhoto is for you not to get stuck into the implementation details of where your files are physically stored… Let the application take care of that.

    And whenever you want to to get to these files you can always EXPORT them from iTunes and iPhoto.

  117. What is interesting for me is the still apparent “I’m right” syndrome that people seem to have to justify their choice in operating system. I like to think that the choice should purely be about two factors: 1) does it do what you want to do with your computer and 2) is it something you can use. Tick those boxes and you can have whatever you want on your pc. I prefer Windows XP because I play games and use 3D Studio Max. With a previous financial outlay for the software that I am using it is very unlikely that I will change my operating system. In addition, with extra PC’s in my house, and a familiarity with the OS honed by years of finding my way through its intricate passageways, I will go for XP on my other PC’s as I know exactly how to ensure connectivity. Is Windows better than OSX/Linux/whatever? Don’t care, it does what I want in a way I understand. Both boxes ticked, have a nice day.

  118. @Nick

    “How handy that would be on a 30″ cinema screen, thereby avoiding all those needless trips up to the top of the screen!”

    It may make sense to have the menu floating around because it’ll be nearer to the mouse, this was the thinking behind menu bars in windows in Linux and Windows. The problem is that something being closer to the mouse doesn’t necessarily mean it is faster to access. The Menu bar at the top of the screen is far quicker to access. Imagine you could just drive a car quickly into a parking space rather than having to gently manoeuvre into place. It would be a lot faster. This is the benefit of the menubar at the top. You can just fling the mouse up there and get to the menu, on Windows you need to manoeuvre into place. And just remember that the vast majority of people don’t have 30″ displays ;)

  119. Quite the dance. A lot of people would be envious of steps like that. Not once in the entire article what I saw did you mention security. Windows is, has for years (ever since the web revolution) and always will be a security nightmare. It’s a standalone system put without thought for security on the net, as Bill Joy said. It’s unconscionable. What’s really surprising is security is very much a user value: insecure systems are by their very definition a usability nightmare. People who unbelievably enough are still running Windows (outside a sandbox) literally have no clue to the enormous difference – either that or they’re totally numb to it. Either that or they realise talking about security doesn’t get the page hits.

  120. @Nick:

    Awesome that you so misunderstand something so eminently simple. We can write it off to your limited experience. The separation of menu from window is because there’s already a separation of window from application. NeXTSTEP and OS X can both open multiple windows in the same process. Windows sort of tries to fake it. The entire Windows event driven paradigm is totally wrong. Amazing considering Bill and the Boyz supposedly studied the Mac and tried to copy its idea.

  121. i understand the passion but honestly not the logic – anymore – of all these “versus” debates. now that Macs can run Windows and Linux in native mode via Boot Camp or via interface like Parallels (whichever suits the user best), Mac users no longer have to make a choice. yes, you have to pay extra for extra OS’s (still much less than a whole new PC), but then you get to run whatever OS you want for whatever purpose you have whenever it suits you. there is no more “versus” with Mac hardware. technically, this interoperability is a feature of the Mac OS and Mac hardware, so in that narrow sense there is not any competition at all – no PC can do it, period.

    every OS has some advantages and some disadvantages. pick Vista on a PC, and that is all you will ever have. pick Leopard on a Mac and you (can) get Vista and Linux too. literally the best of all worlds (and you can avoid the worsts).

    that said, one certainly can debate the various OS’s approaches to DRM, Open Standards and business practices. those are crucial philosophical issues about the future of digital information. but they are really about Apple, Microsoft, and Linux-world as institutions, not their hardware/software which only implement their differing philosophies.

    but that’s a different thread.

  122. To address Chris and other commenters in this thread. Here’s a few issues:

    First, the old tripe about “infinite size menus” is just that, old. With multiple monitors and 30″ monitors, it’s a chore to move the mouse to the top of the screen (or the top of the other screen). This aspect of OSX just doesn’t stand up to the modern day. In fact, it makes it much worse for anyone but an iBook user.

    Second, Chris.. your comments:

    VNC support – I don’t quite get what makes this so interesting. PC’s have remote desktop and it’s been available for years.

    Wikipedia integration – You can enable Topic searches that go to Wikipedia in IE7 as well, or, or, or any number of others.

    Expose – Apple definitely got this one right, but unfortunately Microsoft couldn’t copy them or risk lawsuits. There are, however, at least one third party Expose tool that uses WDM.

    I agree whole heartedly that Apple has executed their OS releases much better than Microsoft has with Vista. I’m sure you know the varied and many reasons for much of what has happened.

    I also agree that many features, like Time Machine and Spotlight are better implemented on the Mac.

    However, having said that, the Mac is still a niche market. Software makers are still slow, if ever, to support it. And it has some really annoying “features” as well.

    If we could cross Vista with OS X, we’d have the perfect computer, but in my mind… Neither one is perfect, and with Vista PC’s having so many more options and manufacturers, i’d rather stick with multiple sources.

  123. Well Boohoo to the Mac users who don’t like Apple Mac fanbois.
    I’m an Apple Mac fanboi and I’m freaking proud of it, do we Apple Mac fanbois go about diss’n other Apple Mac users for being diffident and phlegmatic … most fanbois, wherever Microsoft, linux or Apple are the ones pushing for an augmentation in a given operating systems performance …

    Anyway, I use Xp at work everyday, sure, it works … in what seems to me, to be a unreasonable, uncooperative and clunky way, Entropy seems to be the aspiration at Microsoft … as such, it ain’t ever going to to be residing in my house, in the foreseeable future, that’s for sure.

    As a Mac user since the mid eighties, the positive uptake, especially in the last twenty-four months is phenomenal, personally, I will be more than happy if the Apple Mac and its current OS design program prevails and ascribes a customer base of 30% – 35% of the personal computer market, any more and dysfunction is inexorable.

    You do not have to be the biggest or the most popular to be the best, in fact the contrary is often observed, the majority of exceptional and superior products are antithetical to the possible consumer base. Having said that, I foresee a large and diversified market for Apple OS X, outside of the personal computer domain.

    For anyone who dislikes the Apple “way” and it’s contextual relationship with the user, fine, as long as your choice is an informed choice, otherwise I see it as your loss.

  124. “First, the old tripe about “infinite size menus” is just that, old. With multiple monitors and 30″ monitors, it’s a chore to move the mouse to the top of the screen (or the top of the other screen). This aspect of OSX just doesn’t stand up to the modern day. In fact, it makes it much worse for anyone but an iBook user.”

    Do you have your mouse acceleration set to grandma? One flick of the mouse and I’m at the top of my 30″ monitor. No problem. On the other hand, I slow down when targeting a link on a web page to right-click on it. Small target, two dimensions.

    I think you’ll find that most Mac users would utterly balk at the removal of the menu bar. And I’m with them.

    Most people who find “major” annoyances on the Mac do so because they’ve come from Windows and the Mac just does it differently.

  125. It is true that yesterday’s arguments of Macs Vs. PCs is absolutely irrelevant any more. I’ve been using Windows for more than 10 years now and my experience with Macs is two years old one.

    In short, I use both worlds to my needs. I like OS X user friendliness and I use the system for my PhD study since searching is really a breeze. Yet, I still need Windows since it offers far more bigger software base than OS X not to mentioned that for some reason I’m still “glued” to Outlook Express though I’m using OS X Mail too.

    Multimedia on a Mac is different with a touch of style. That was what originally drove me to buy an iMac G5. I should have waited by then few month more to get my hand on an Intel based machine. That will solve all my problems by having one machine incorporating both worlds.

  126. apple computers are honestly the worst computers i have ever seen there harware is about 4 years behind the pc market and there computers are outrageously expensive why any one would buy a apple i dont no vista is awsome so pirrillo go get a mac no one cares. Ipods are also shit too.

  127. “Apple deliberately hides the complexity of its file structure from users so that they don’t have to spend time administrating their computers and organizing their files.”

    Having a butler who feeds you, cloths you, and attends to you every whim is convenient but I can see at least three potential problems. Firstly you will never learn how to take care of yourself. Secondly sometimes you might just feel like taking care of yourself. And third, if the butler takes a sick day you are totally helpless until they get back.
    A friend of mine was showing me how on his Mac OS X all he had to do to open his calculator was to type “calculator” into spotlight. I had two responses to this. Firstly I said that unlike Mac, windows make no attempt to try to hide the complexity of its file structure. After using Windows for 12 years I know the complex hierarchy of the Window’s file structure like the back of my hand. Because I know where everything is finding the calculator or anything else for the matter is very simple for me.
    Secondly I told him that Google desktop is free, takes 3 minutes to install, and has a feature that provides the same instant search boasted by spotlight.
    And with reference to the butler taking a sick day, I don’t always know the names of the files or application that I am looking for. My friend IMed me some songs and the next day I wanted to listen to them. I had completely forgotten the names of the songs and thus an attempt to search for them directly would have been fruitless. Additionally you can’t access your AIM download folder directly from the AIM application. This of course presented no difficulty for me. I simply know where everything on my computer is and I went to my C drive and dug through the appropriate folder to get the music.
    This is just one specific example but I find in general that when people say that Macs are “easier” or “more user friendly” they refer to features that are designed to limit the users exposure to the internal structure of the system.
    I do however understand that there are some people who don’t care to get invested in how their computer works and are only interested in operating their computer with the minimum possible about of thought or involvement. And even if this is your mentality I retort that many of features and applications that make it possible for Macs to operate this way have equivalent programs that are free, easy to download, and take only minutes to install.

  128. “apple computers are honestly the worst computers i have ever seen there harware is about 4 years behind the pc market and there computers are outrageously expensive why any one would buy a apple i dont no vista is awsome so pirrillo go get a mac no one cares. Ipods are also **** too.”

    Obviously using windows makes you a bettir spellor, to.

  129. It is funny reading through the different opinions on the comments to this blog. I was a PC user for years before I switched about three years ago. Like many other people on this list, it has been a great experience. I don’t know if I am a fanboy or not; I am really just a simple computer user. I just know that when I sit down to use a computer I want things to work. On the Mac it does. On the PC I was constantly having frustrating issues.

    That is not a flame. It is just my experience. I have no reason to sell anyone on a Mac. I don’t get kickbacks, but here I am wasting my time responding to this blog because the experience has been that good.

    There were so many things that my Mac did that my PC could never do…. well, that isn’t exactly the truth. Most of things my Mac was doing a PC could do too, I just never found them on a PC. And therein lies the difference. The Mac was just so much easier to use. It was so much easier to find all the tricks and the gadgets that I actually used them. I think the PC apoligist above hit the nail in the head. If you are a computer guy through and through and enjoy tinkering with computers (“Macs are for people who do not know how to use computers” that sounds like a marketing ploy straight from the mouth of Jobs doesn’t it?) then you want a PC. If you just want to use the thing to do your work and assist your life then you want a Mac. It isn’t that one is better than the other, it is that one is easier and less frustrating to use. Macs truly are computers for the rest of us.

    I hear PC fanboys saying that their computers never crash or have bugs or security or stablity issues, so they don’t know what all the fuss is about. Again, proving my (and many others points) if you are a techie guru you will keep it running smoothly. You will get a kick out of keeping it fine tuned. If you are not Neo or Morphius or Trinity, then you will enjoy a Mac more because you don’t have to do any fine tuning. The things really does “just work.”

  130. I’m kinda interesting in getting Leopard but I’m not sure I’m going to be the first one rushing to buy it.
    Some of the features seems to be great to improve the efficiency working with OS X, such as stack and multiple desktops (yeah, I know it’s been around forever in the *ix world).
    The biggest concern I have is about how good it uses the hardware. I hope Apple is doing a Microsoft on Leopard – by that I mean making each system being more hungry than than the previous. Because I have a macbook with two (\o/) 64 bit processors, it seems like an 64 bit OS is gonna run faster, but I’m note sure if that makes my 32 bit apps run slower (maybe they aren’t 32 bit)…
    Well, I just have to wait and see

  131. Get your mother approved computer so cool games don’t work, includes a free fabrications of audio & video & graphics working better. I am an audio engineer, make better mixes then those pro fool clowns, do web development graphic design, 3d development all on a PC with Vista. I have run similar applications on my OS X machine and it is a brainless OS that is overrated due to a GUI that brainless users like more then performance. Photoshop and illustrator run slower on OS X. Itunes crashes all the time. OSX is a piece of shit. Vista isn’t over, it has just begun, I stand by vista Im selling my half assed bitten into apple mac on ebay if you guys are looking.

  132. I keep hearing all these people who switch to Mac and say, “It just works” – and I think hmmmn, what exactly didn’t work about your Windows machine (they give no examples)?. I mean, it’s the year 2007 for Pete’s sake and almost everyone is running XP SP2. I hear they were “frustrated” with windows – but never hear any specific examples of what they were frustrated with other than the same old virus/bsod whiah are soooooo Windows 98. I mean, come on already!

    I completely and whole-heartedly agree with Joe H. round one’s post. It’s an incredibly smart and well-described musing on this whole debate. I happen to run a 64bit Vista Ultimate w/4GB of RAM on a custom-built ASUS machine and the machine frickin’ soars like a rocket ship. I’ve disabled User Access Control and installed RocketDock for a dock experience which is the first thing every Windows user should install. I have Vista on the machine since Jan 27 and the machine has not crashed even once – ever! I leave it running for weeks at a time, put it to “sleep” at night and “wake” it in the morning – and bam – it’s up to the last waking state in seconds – never en issue.

    Anyway, I’m sure the Mac experience is nice as it is beautiful to look at. (Tho, Vista is even more handsome, in my opinion) However, I’m so productive on my Vista machine with my keyboard shortcuts, shortcuts to dock applications and custom-icon folders for quick launch apps – that I honestly don’t know how in the world I could possibly get ANY more productive! I used Macs for a few years in the mid-90’s and thought they were a JOKE of stability. As a result, and in the real business world, I’ve used Win 95 and 98/2000/XP, but now Vista is truly a rock solid and blazing fast machine. Go 64bit and there are no viruses to attack your machine b/c the kernal will not allow it.

    In the end it’s all a matter of your experience level of computing. If you are comfortable in the Windows environment and are dependent on programs that are Windows-only, then stick with Windows. I don’t buy the whole “you can run windows AND osx on a Mac – it’s just not real world. Let’s say you are dependent on a half dozen programs for Windows – are you telling me you are REALLY going to reboot into Windows every time you need them? It just doesn’t make sense from a productivity perspective. Ant the whole Parallels/VMware thing is also a bit of a stretch. Those programs will not run CPU-intensive applications in real-time.

    And finally, think of the entire suite of applications you will need to RE-pursha$$$$$e for the Mac for you to indeed switch to a Mac. And don’t tell me you can just reload those programs for Windows for Boot Camp – it kinda defeats the purpose of going Mac, no? You’d just be spending all your time running Windows apps (that you NEED) on a Mac box.

    I welcome all comments. Thanks for listening!

  133. Bought my first Mac 3 years ago after finally being pushed over the edge by the Windows blue screen. I’ve use Linux quite a bit as well but the open source community isn’t really a sufficient replacement for professionally developed apps.

    I work as a network Administrator & have always been frustrated the the pitiful network display of Windows. I’ve played with Vista & if anything actually found network to be worse because, unlike OS X, if you choose to set things manually for some reason it stops working. My biggest frustration with Vista, seeing as I’m in IT, is it’s uselessness as an OS for IT management of Server 2003 & Active Directory.

    My major issues with Windows come in their habit of making half hearted attempts to port to other platforms, office for Mac is such a clunky & ugly comparison to office for Windows (many props to NeoOffice for filling the gap!).

    I’d love to step back & not be angry & just say I chose OS X because I prefered the experience, but honestly they’ve screwed up the progression of the tech industry long enough. It’s time for them to go.

  134. P.S. Got my first blue screen on Vista the first day of install. At least if OS X has corrupted preferences or incorrect permissions they give you the tools to fix them.

    Don’t get me started on Adobe & the pitfall they are, they’re worse than Microsoft. Picking on Apple for their lack of an Intel version isn’t a valid comparison

    Basing your bias on one experience with a Mac is plain stupid, I’ve had years of experience with many units on 5 OS fronts (OS/2 Warp, OS 2-9 for Mac, Linux, Windows, & OS X) All operating systems have apps that crash cause developers aren’t perfect, but at least them crashing on OS X rarely hangs my operating system & has never destroyed it.

    Before you call us “Brainless” consider how much more we understand the operating system you are working on than you. Sure the GUI is cool, but it’s the Unix core that I love so much.

  135. most windows users like bashing OS X but majority of them have NEVER touched an OS X. otoh Mac users are mostly disgusted windows users so they know what’s good for them. most windows users rarely have a choice or don’t know any other OS at all. which leads me to conclude that majority of windows users are dumb.

    btw, i’m a Mac user since 2003. before that i owned desktops and an HP laptop. viruses, malwares, crashes lead me to search for a new OS. the rest is history.

  136. people who keep on harping that same outdated rant about the single button mouse only prove my earlier point. they bash even if they don’t know the hell they’re talking about.

  137. I’m a Mac guy. I prefer the way Mac menus work.

    But …

    I got my mom a Mac, which she loves. I had originally got her a Window machine thinking she could get support for it from my sister and brother-in-law (I live in another state). I switched her when it became apparent that although everybody uses Windows, those users can’t generally troubleshoot computer problems. So if I’m going to do the troubleshooting over the phone, she’d be better off with a Mac.

    What I learned: “Moms” get confused by the Mac-style windows. The Windows style makes more sense to them.

    If you’ve ever support a really beginning computer user, you’ll realize this. Fitt’s Law is for experienced users. For beginners the amount of time “saved” by the Mac-style menus is miniscule as an overall proportion of the amount of time they spend just staring at the screen not knowing what the heck to do.

    One big problem is they don’t look at which app is in front. If there are two windows visible and not overlapping (much), they will assume that the menubar pertains to the app they are looking at even though that app might be in the background. Then they search all through the menus looking for something that isn’t there. Of course, the menu next to the Apple menu is the name of the app. Only a moron wouldn’t understand that, right? Wrong.

    So Macs are better, even for beginners, but all computers require some basic training and learning of terminology. This is a problem for a not-very-motivated beginner who doesn’t want to learn much, but just wants to read her e-mail.

  138. Lol what a dumb article,Windows vista is more UI attractive than leopard 10.5,it depends on the user,i know people who hates MACOSX with the functionality that gives.

    and another thing,MS will contnue to be the leader,by far

  139. I use both at home… and am not too excited about Leopard coming out. Really, what’s there to get excited about – just some more copied Linux / Windows stuff. That time machine is flashy, but really who would really need it?
    Macs are nice – and it gives you the “cool” factor. But in reality, Vista is still more user-friendly (IMHO). I’m glad Leopard is copying the Windows-way of handling file managing. That current “Finder” is an abomination. Explorer is waaaay better than finder!
    I still cannot connect to the printer from my Mac through Windows (thru my Network). The Mac sees Vista and Printer on the network and attempts to print but it can’t. “It just works!” Yeah right. But when I had Parallels and installed XP on it, I was able to print through the Network. Apple flash is just flashy – nothing really special about it.
    However, I do still love my Mac. Only because of Final Cut Pro and other graphics-friendly stuff. Other than that, I would’ve stuck to Vista.

  140. You know what makes os x better? Its design is waaaay smarter than windows.
    These are things I like about Mac OS X:
    First, installing applications in macs is a far cry from windows. Its simple as click and drag. (for most applications, anyway) It doesn’t need you to have any background knowledge about installing stuff. During my “noob” years in computing, about 4 long years ago, installing a application actually intimidated me. Believe me, I also tried to copy an app by saving its shortcut icon on a disk drive! (OMG I can’t believe how noob I was back then!)
    Secondly, it boots and shuts down faster. I don’t need my computer making me wait for it to turn on and off.
    Third, Expose simply works. It is not only eye candy, its functional. Unlike windows vista’s flip 3d. (or flop 3d would be more appropriate) Its a far cry to the fugly alt+tab combination. Its also easier to use, only one key press and TADA! your windows shrink magically and arrange themselves on the screen! (a testiment to mac os x graphical prowress)
    Lastly, IT IS BEAUTIFUL. A personal opinion anyway, but its minimalist design is easier on the eyes.

  141. I completely agree with you about iPhoto and Picasa. iPhoto is horrible in how it stores and organizes photos. I think Picasa is the biggest thing I miss from my PC. Google: PLEASE PORT PICASA FOR MAC!!!!!! WE ARE STILL WAITING! Come on, even Linux gets some Picasa love, whats up with that?

  142. Funny. We’ve been on a Mac network at my job the whole 14 yrs. I have worked there. I suffered through years off prejudiced from sneering PC snobs who laughed out loud when I ventured into a store and asked if they had anything for Mac. I was defensive and swore by my little Mac network, but I was snubbed constantly by PC techies. Now I see these people hanging on for dear life to a dying OS and I know how they feel. Mac’s were in market death throws for years and there came a time when I thought they were going to fold. I guess what I’m trying to say is, I know how you feel when the OS you’ve defended and supported is losing loyalty and market share. You’re sure you can’t be that wrong.

    I’m glad I hung on, but now I’m concerned Apple’s going to get the big head and start turning out crappy products. Leopard seems like an embellishment so far to me. Like a woman who wants to redecorate because her decor is tired, but doesn’t want to put the time and energy into a full go over, and instead just changes the curtains,throw pillows and flower arrangements. That’s what Leopard seems to be for me for now, but I won’t actually know until I get it. I am looking forward to spaces, but that dock stuff just looks like irritating parlor tricks, but who knows? I wish they would do more consumer research from women and study their organizational thought patterns. It may give them some clues as to how to not muck things up too much.

    As for Vista, forget it. Those guys are trapped in some kind of behemoth bureaucracy and probably don’t have the power (even if they wanted to), pull off anything creative or new.

  143. Meat:
    The thing here is that Windows XP is Windows right now. XP is so old and lean that it virtualizes without a hitch on new hardware. That really opens up the playing field to the alternatives. I mean, so many of us have full blown copies of XP that we’ve accrued over the years… so virtuatilizing it on Linux (yeah right) or Mac OS X is just the perfect thing to do for little details that may not work else where. This copy of Windows is going nowhere anytime soon… it could very well be here to stay for another 10 years.

    Microsoft has a bloated system hog with Vista. That means that leeching an extra 512MB of RAM for a virtual copy of Windows XP is out of the question (and it’s just a little hard to justify too b/c Vista is ALMOST Windows).

    Is this Microsoft’s demise? Not really, not at all, not even a little bit (but it does foreshadow trouble for them, b/c their success thus far has been largely based on people’s crazy notion that Microsoft is the “genuine” article) … I full heartedly believe that the average Mac user puts more money in Microsoft’s hands that the average PC user. Between Microsoft Office for Mac, and full blown versions of Windows XP for bootcamp… Microsoft is sitting really pretty. They won’t be feeling financial loss for years to come… but things are getting to a point with Apple where if Apple gets bold and makes an affordable desktop, things could really start turning south for Microsoft. iWork rather than Windows or Office is all I feel I need to successfully interact with the Windows specific world… but mileage will vary.

    It’s different when you buy a $2000.00 Mac and you’re wondering if you should spend $150.00 for Windows… or whatever. But if you’re on a $400.00 Mac, spending that kind of money just isn’t so obvious anymore. In any case, a small, user upgradeable, desktop Mac with one or two standard graphics slots could totally change the landscape.

    But remember that Microsoft doesn’t make PC hardware… so they ARE NOT adversaries with Apple. They could make every nickel they’ve lost to Apple (which frankly, I just don’t think they’ve lost a red cent) by simply not screwing up Office 2008 too badly. Office 2004 is for PowerPC Macs… so Office 2008 should be all the rage for Office users with intel Macs. That’s $150.00 per Mac… or $40 or whatever… my point is that’s as much they make on a whole PC.

    If we had infinite time, yes getting a PC may make sense… but so many of us have just had it with the constant tinkering, and constantly feeling like it should be easier… like it’s logically possible for it to be.
    The other thing is, with Mac you have two choices: You can buy last year’s technology in the used market, or buy today’s technology for more money.

    With a PC, you can mostly buy yesterday’s technology at the store for cheap… or kind of buy imitation today’s technology (b/c Vista is an imitation… and it sucks… it makes new PCs wasted hardware).

    The healthy used Mac market speaks volumes and totally adds to the experience. I mean, your computer doesn’t become a worthless pile of junk after a year… it not only stays peppy for years (b/c it doesn’t tangle itself up over time the way Windows does) but it stays worth money… so you can sell it. Wallets and environmentalists rejoice!


    Wow, I can’t believe how there’s a whole new… BIGGER wave of switchers. I thought everyone that was gonna switch had done so, I was dead wrong.

    I “switched” (let’s face it, us new Mac users aren’t Apple loyalists, we use whatever works best) back in the day when I got my first laptop an iBook G4 800Mhz (SUCH A GREAT MACHINE STILL!) and I’ve had a PowerBook G4 for about 2.5 years. I just purchased a MacBook Pro and WOW, I mean more WOW than ever… this thing is the sports car that the PowerBook wanted to be. I think spending $2,000.00 is wholly ridiculous, but spending that on anything other than a MacBook Pro is just plain incorrect. It’s that simple. On the higher end, there’s no other brand that makes any sense. On the lower end, a used Mac makes better sense than you’d think. (I used my PowerBook over newer, more hardware powerful PC laptops very very often).

    I should also note that running Windows was really a lot more interesting to me before than it is now. Right now, I have everything in place to install Windows and I just can’t think of why I should waste my harddrive space with it. Windows runs SO well on new Macs that it frees you up to really assess whether you should use it or not.

    Back in the day, there was a constant obsession with running Windows on a Mac. Virtual PC ran terribly but it kept the enigma going. Now, it runs incredibly but who cares so much? Why run Windows when you can run something so much better?

    It takes a while of using a Mac to fully get to that point, but people will get there… and it’s then that Microsoft will start to feel the heat. So they have about 3 years to make an OS that is better than anything else… but I highly doubt that’s enough time.

    Vista is based on the wrong thing… and XP is available to the other platforms… so legacy support is covered by Linux, Mac OS, and Microsoft… so MS doens’t have much of an edge there. Linux COULD very well be ready for action in 3 years, it’s based on UNIX-like thus it buids on solid ground.

    3 years. You’ll have Mac defining the market as currently, and you’ll have Linux that looks and feels like Mac far more than Vista does.

  144. I just got the new leopard and love it. I don’t know where your coming from with the itunes comment, but i understand the iphoto comment. Sometimes, it can be a little confusing, but still, the new ILife 08′ fixed that up right away. I used to run on windows, but finally switched to mac, and it has treated me so better then windows. I used to always get viruses such as key-loggers, but now i don’t worry about viruses as much. I’ll probably keep leopard, unless Microsoft makes something worth buying ,or until Apple makes a new and better OS.

  145. I have tried Leopard and I am not thrilled with its looks. Tiger was better looking. In comparison to Vista, I prefer the look of Leopard. Note: I prefer the look of XP and ease of use of XP in comparison to Vista.

  146. “finally what is it with Mac only having a single mouse button, come on you can’t still be thinking that using a keyboard button with a click instead of a right click is more efficient.”

    @richard: I read your post and I respect your opinion. True, there are problems with different computer brands, but this part seems a bit stupid. True, you don’t have a divider for right and left click, thereby thinking it’s a one-button mouse. However, you can activate right click in the system preferences (its setup by default to have two primary buttons on the mighty mouse, unless you change the one on the right to “secondary button”). If you don’t want to waste time with the mighty mouse, then you can buy a two button mouse (even Microsoft’s Mac site lists two buttoned mice that you can purchase and will work). Other than that, your posting is fine, because not every Mac user uses Apple’s mighty mouse.

  147. As a 79 year old my computers are only a hobby. I grew up under Hitler and was fully exposed to Big Brother for real; for me it is ALL about control. It is mindboggling how COMPLAISANT even freedom-loving Americans are; for me DMR = censorship; software requiring ACTIVATION = crippleware. M$ lost me as a customer when their os was more about DIS-abling my computer than about EN-abling me. Because Linux can be wonky I bought an iMac. For my taste, Apple is having far too many M$-moments. The much hyped Leopard seemed too much like Mac-Vista to me and I purged it in favour of its predecessor Tiger. Does anyone know of a good Linux distro for an Intel iMac, preferably one where the start-up sequence is NOT hidden? Perhaps there is more to Leopard than met my eyes, one grandson had told me that OS X is based on BSD Unix and I have read since that Apple (Jobs) has brought 10.5 version up to the current Unix standard. There is NEVER any griping about the Digital Cartel having absolutely NO respect for the PAYing customer.
    Why don’t we have something like a Newt Gingrich Day to mourn the losses of our Digital Freedoms?? Why can I not make a duplicate copy of a deliberately copy-impaired disk? Why was there NO warning on the box that it contained cripple-ware? I was charged the full price for it. Why am I allowed (!!) five region changes when using MY computer to watch DVDs from different countries legally bought? Why are region-codes not illegal, are they not meant to restrain trade?? Why do we have anti-circumvention laws for software and NOT for the US Constitution? Why indeed!!!
    These are some of my MINOR gripes.
    TNX for listening Willi

  148. I don’t really get the vista hate thing, I have been using it since April.
    Ok, gaming is a bit lacklustre on it, especially new titles, but then again, I only have a 7900GT.
    Everything else works fine, I think people build crappy machines and expect miracles.

    Anyway.. All this talk of OSX Leopard being perfect is ridiculous.
    I’m not saying it is any worse or better than Vista (yeah yeah, I can hear you all groaning now), but from my personal experience, I think a lot of the complaints about Vista are unfounded, or are made by people who haven’t got a clue about what they are doing.

    Personally, I think it’s great that Apple have a new OS, and I hope this OS will keep Microsoft on their toes.

    I found this page interesting

    I know there are probably a lot more pages for Vista, but seeing as there is only one incantation of Leopard, and it has only just come out, and the market share thingy withstanding, I’d say it was far from perfect, wouldn’t you agree?

    Oh, I’d like to add that iTunes has been known to mysteriously wipe gigabytes of peoples MP3 collections upon uninstall, hardly a good quirk in a piece of software that is supposed to be the flagship of mediaplayers, is it?

  149. This doesn’t seem like a this vs that thing…it seems more like….leopard is better, and vista is just a pile of crap…..cmon man…..give some pros and cons….and I don’t mean pros for leopard and cons for vista

  150. I have been running both on my MacBook. I prefer OSX for everyday home use. I have an iPhone and love how it works with my mac mail, iTunes, iMusic, etc. Really seamless. But I am using Windows Vista now because I want to use MS Visual Basic. And Leopard doesn’t compare to Vista’s speed and ease of use for business aplications. I also have Pages and Numbers on the mac, but they are a poor replacement for using MS Office natively on Vista. One thing about OSX on the mac side, which I didn’t realize until I installed Vista, is how slow Safari can be at times, and how OSX slows down when more than a few programs are open, when I am running tasks simultaneously (checking my email, backing up data, loading new web pages). The system seems to slow to a crawl at times, and I get that annoying spinning beach ball while my computer catches up. Vista is much more powerful on my computer. It can do more things simultaneously without slowing down. How can that be? It’s the same computer with the same RAM, etc., of course. I can only conclude that Vista is built for getting business done, and Leopard for people who like to be entertained by eye candy all the time and don’t mind the reduced performance issues.

  151. When I switched from Windows to Mac in 1989, I forgot Windows in few days … just to be reminded in my wild dreams of its existence in my past … Thanks to this article I just read, I wonder how someone can cheat him self in life, using this machine of horrors called Windows … O’ well … “Different folks, different strokes … “. Life is beautiful with Apple computer!

  152. I would switch to Mac in a second if they would make an affordable tower machine. I keep hearing people praising the iMac for its looks: “It is so thin and clean”, etc. Well, I don’t care about thin. To keep it thin they use mobile parts that have only moderate capability and are statistically more likely to fail, and when they do fail it is hard to get to them (read: expensive). The configuration choices are few. Updating most components is virtually impossible. Why not make a decent tower machine in addition to the iMac–one that doesn’t cost literally twice as much as similar windows machines?

  153. These discussions are very enjoyable to participate in so long as people don’t get too involved with themselves. Before I begin, I can mention a problem I’m experiencing with windows right now. You see, it’s 2:00AM, and I’ve spent the past 2 hours attempting to reformat a hard drive. I chose to forego the “Quick Format” method, believing the long, standard format to be of better quality in the end. Windows not only obliged to the task, but convinced me that it was actually formatting my drive. It performed the entire one hour format, as was clearly indicated by the green progress bar, with no warning of error, before cheerfully alerting me that it could not complete the format, after the progress bar had completed, and after I had just sacraficed yet another hour of sleep in vain. I do not want to even make an inference as to what Windows was doing to, or if it was even paying attention to, my hard drive. All I know is that I’ve used Windows for a while, 95 being the oldest os I’ve used. I have limited exposure to Mac computers, however, I, as many users of windows most likely could easily attest to, reinstall my operating system so often, I have lost track. Windows installs decently, and when you boot it up for the first time, it’s like heaven, and you really feel all the Mac users are total retards, not realizing what they’re missing out on. However, then you install 100 updates from Microsoft, set up user accounts, apply passwords, install maybe 5 small programs, and Windows has gone from lightning fast, to being something to get excited about if it actually boots up at all. I also find it weird how PC users often complain about gaming, and popular programs not working in the Mac environment, when really, Windows computers cannot perform even simpler things such as file copying, deleting items less than 10 KB, or successfully closing it’s own web browser. You need to realize that in order to use all those fancy programs, you need first, to have the basics. I am not a PC fan boy, I am a PC user, and as you can see, I have steadily lost my taste for Windows, however, I am financially blocked from switching to a Mac anytime soon, and so, with Windows I shall remain, for now, atleast.

    Desperate times however, call for desperate measures, as I steadily download a patched Leopard, specifically engineered to run on the AMD architecture, rather than that of Intel based systems. I will see if it works tomorrow, I’m most surely keeping my fingers tightly crossed.

  154. >> I urge any other disgruntled Windows users to try the Mac.
    >> Sure, it costs a little more. But you always pay for quality.

    Hmm, my fiance and I each have a MacBook Pro, and here are our experiences:

    Although we don’t travel much, thin insulation on each of our power adapters burned off, exposing bare wires. (Known issue.) We took them to the Apple Store, and they replaced them only after giving us a world of grief and pretty much saying that we had done something to cause it. Now, insulation has burned off on the replacement adapters, exposing bare wires.

    Both of our laptops run extremely hot, another known issue.

    My fiance’s screen failed right after the warranty ran out. Apple wanted $1200 to replace it, even though a compatible LCD panel can be bought retail for $200 or less. So I bought one and replaced it.

    Both of our laptops are extremely noisy, and one of her fans makes a loud grinding sound that makes her laptop impossible to use in business meetings. But Apple says that noises like this are “normal.” Sure, I can pay $60 for a replacement fan that should cost $5, but I choose not to sink any more money into these things.

    The worst part is that these notebooks cost about three times what comparable Windows laptops cost.

    >> …you always pay for quality.

    Yeah, whatever.

  155. Hmm- I need to buy a machine and reading this post chances are I’ll get a MAC although I’ve never used 1.

    From what I’ve read, it’s good for multimedia/ video / music editing. How about playing games as powerful as Crysis, can the middle priced / top models hack it? (Sorry if it’s dumb Q but I haven’t researched on Mac Specs so haven’t the foggiest).

    Also I watch Xvid/ avi / mpg movies that I’ve backed up with different video codecs. Can Mac watch them with the variety of video/ audio codecs out there?

    Thanks very much!

  156. I went to Vista Ultimate from XP 64. I hoped for the best and it keeps on getting worse. I am a pro photographer and I need a system that I can rely on day-in and day-out. Now my question is can I replace Vista with Leopard OS-X?

    Chrissy Michelle
    Portland, Oregon

  157. And get stuck with one hardware configuration?? and give up pc gaming? thanks but not thanks. I just love my vista 64 with 8GB of ram along with my 512 3870 and a mb that supports Crossfire that dose not put a hole in your wallet i pass thanks but no thanks. Nice article and sure the os looks nice. But i am not in it for the eye candy. Why should i settle for a eye candy os while i can see much better visuals in games :)

  158. And Give up the latest games and more than tons + games and also hardware configuration aswell? I think not. What people fail to realize is that apple is just one hardware configuration. Way too expensive. Sure the os looks nice and everything works seamless. Because again its one hardware configuration. I used mac os X leopard. Macs just simply is not my taste. Sorry mac fan boys

  159. I’m a Microsoft consultant with 9 years and multiple MCSE’s etc. I can do some amazing stuff with windows and can centrally manage and deploy hundreds of workstations etc all very clever and involved.

    XPSP2 I have to say is a very good OS, but as anyone who uses it will know you have a completely full time job keeping it running smoothly. Defrag and updates and patches etc all to keep it running sweet.

    Ok so patches aren’t MS exclusive but you get my point.

    Along comes Vista which I alpha through beta through RC tested and my god was I staggered at how bad it is! I struggled along with it on my laptop (i’m an expert I can cope just) until SP1 came out. Fixed maybe 2 issues I have with it the rest just continue to plague me. It rubbish! To reach anything that used to be 1 or 2 clicks now takes 5! The network interface is a joke! It’s speed is shocking! Nothing but the fastest kit runs it at anything above adequate and XP on same kit leaves it standing!

    If MS are going to conitnue with this dog they are doomed. And from the noises about Windows 7 which will be built on the same code I think we can safely say MS have lost the plot completely.

    So I bought my first MacBook last week and too delivery yesterday.

    Fantastic! I’m a little lost but loving the learning curve. It’s so fast! I plugged in a USB mouse and it was instantly working. No 3 minutes while windows drags itself through a driver install. The networking is jaw dropping! You plug in cat5 and you’re on, you unplug and wireless is on!

    Apps open so fast, spaces is a great way to set out apps you have open and switch between them.

    It’s not perfect. But what is. It’s expensive (shame but they don’t sell as many as MS based). It’s not a games platform but I have an xbox for that. I can’t fly round it like windows but that will come.

    Will I give up windows? No, it’s my bread and butter and my clients are stuck with it. But my desktop is now Mac with VM windows.

    The Mac just isn’t drowning in it’s own bloated over designed mess.

  160. im getting tired with this osx vs microsoft crap.. why can we all just get along each other. each os has its own advantages and disadvantages.. its just an operating system people.. pick one which suits you most.. and thats it..

  161. Oh common. This is not a review or even a “Mac vs. Win” context. You didn’t even write one paragraph about vista features. U only published mac features. I like Macs, but I don’t think PCs suck. Vista has got cool features too and windows is better for programmers and gamers. You didn’t talk about “Windows Media Center”, “Shadow Copies”, “Windows Speech recognition” and other vista features. Mac’s features look very very great, but they are not what makes an OS cool. For example, Time Machine is very incredible at the first look. But it needs a big hard drive. But shadow copies in vista, doesn’t need it. I know time machine has better quality than shadow copies and it looks prettier, but Microsoft is offering an easier (and cheaper) way. Also restore points are useful.

    Or spaces, there are lots of programs that let you create multi-desktops. For example, DeskSpace.

    Dictating to computer and working with voice via “Windows speech recognition” is very useful, and interesting.

    Macs are cool, but they are very expensive too. specially iMacs.

    iChat’s great, but there are more people using Y! messenger and Windows Live Chat. Also, For people like me that use slow connections, iChat is not OK.

    searching in vista is easy too. and with the search bar in top of the page, you can always search so easy.

    Dock in mac is amazing. I know. Quick launch in Windows sucks. there are some applications that create a dock in windows, but mac’s dock has more and better features and it’s prettier.

    After all, both windows and mac are cool and have many features. but your review, was unilateral. You must explain mac OS X leopard and Windows Vista features one by one and compared them.

  162. To answer Mac_Normal

    You are missing the point. The key is user experience, just like a car. Why do people buy a BMW and pay a premium, if they can get a Ford – it will do the same thing. It is for the user experience, and same goes for the Mac. The quality of the hardware and software is superior, that is why people like it. If you can’t see that, you got no taste…

  163. That last comment is spot on!! Perfect example. I mean pc desktops are made of different chip/memory/board manufacturers! (I worked in pc store) n can only remember those times memory modules malfunctioned when pc was assembled n to keep tryin other modules (which u don’t know was handled by delivery ppl and shop owner) and graphic cards and drives etc. This just explains how dodgy they can be (I understand hp and other high ends rectify that but again similar priced as macs) so again it’s the “bmw vs. Lower end car” the peace of mind that u don’t have to worry both about hardweRe and software and headache free.

  164. Sorry but if you are given $2000 why would you buy a mac with half as powerful hardware as you could build a PC (and then install OS X on if thats what you wanted…. not sure why you would want to though since honestly OS X UI is retarded)

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