How Not to Recover Data from a Vista Backup
I almost fell out of my chair when I read this. I trust Dave Methvin and anything he says:
Even though the Home Basic and Home Premium versions of Vista are backing up all files including user data files, users can’t access the backups of their own data. Want proof that the backups are there? Use Microsoft’s Windows Anytime Upgrade feature to upgrade from Home to Ultimate. When we did that, the Previous Versions tab appeared and revealed changes to data files that were made before the upgrade occurred.
My guess is that Ed Bott and the other Windows apologists will have a completely logical explanation for this “feature” before too long. After all, why would a Home Basic user ever want to recover data? It’s a well known fact that Home Basic and Home Premium files aren’t as important as Ultimate files.
To be completely fair, Time Machine only works in *ONE* version of OS X. Then again, there’s only one version for users” title=”http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/915.html\”>users” target=”_blank”>www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/915.html”>users to buy.
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry?
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19 Comments
Someone Else
November 30th, 1999
at 12:00am
that all is not well with Microsoft’s new operating system to say the least. Please bear with me while I take a quiet moment to say “I told you so” to the folks at Redmond. Your. New. Operating. System. Isn’t. Ready. For. Release. After. Six. Years. Of. Trying. [Taken from cnet.com] “In a statement last week, Microsoft said such a move (Dell selling the old OS) is normal after a new operating system comes out. “Windows Vista is safer, easier to use, better connected and more entertaining than any
Jim Turner
April 12th, 2007
at 8:40am
*insert MS evil laugh here*
That is spooky.
Tim C
April 12th, 2007
at 10:07am
XP doesn’t perform an automated user data backup besides System Restore which only protects system and program files. So what’s stupid is leaving this feature in to begin with. So my answer if someone wants their home PC backed up, don’t pay a ransom, just buy Acronis and use a USB hard drive. Problem solved. They should have at least disabled the feature altogether instead of taking up disk space and resources.
Shawn Oster
April 12th, 2007
at 12:40pm
Maybe I’m missing something but hasn’t it been known since before launch that only Ultimate, and some versions of Business, had this feature? I mean it’s right there when you install any version of Vista, the big feature matrix that clearly states that full backup recovery is *not* included in Home Premium or lower. Being suprised by this is… well, sorta suprising.
All that being said, it is rather annoying that something needed most by home users isn’t included in the Home versions. Even the Family pack idea of Vista is Ultimate + Home Premium, thus leading most home users to thinking the home level is the one for them.
This is what happens when you apply business-style marketing to a consumer segment. Under the guise of consumer choice you end up with consumer confusion, as clearly illustrated by anyone that didn’t realize full recovery wasn’t available in the home line.
Nima
April 12th, 2007
at 1:45pm
Cry, Chris, cry. :(
Jorgie
April 12th, 2007
at 1:47pm
I also think it to be stupid, but to be fair nothing is being ‘backed up’. The volume shadow service is being used to protect the system files, and as a side effect, the other files on the same volume MAY also be protected. I say MAY because the shadow service relies on there being free space and if the disk is getting full, you can bet that the non-system ‘backups’ more correctly ’snap-shots’ are thrown away first.
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April 12th, 2007
at 2:05pm
[...] You’d think someone had given Pirillo a Super Atomic Wedgie given the amount of yipping in this post. He’s bemoaning the fact that Windows Vista has a feature that keeps backups of deleted files in every version but doesn’t allow anyone using Home Basic or Home Premium to access those automatic backups. And then, with the subtlety and savoir faire that characterizes everything from Pirillo World Headquarters, Chris tosses a gratuitous insult my direction: [...]
Derek K. Miller
April 12th, 2007
at 10:51pm
Well, there WOULD be one version of Time Machine for Apple users to use on one version of the OS if Apple hadn’t pushed the released date for 10.5 out from June to October. So at least Vista is backing up, even if you can’t restore!
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April 13th, 2007
at 2:14am
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Bits from Bill
April 14th, 2007
at 7:27pm
will be thrilled to have the restore feature available at any price. Still, I have a feeling that this is wrong. Not only is Microsoft using up my disk space, but the whole premise reminds me of the extortion done by rogue AntiSpyware programs. After being called a Windows apologist by Chris Pirillo, author Ed Bott fired back with a recommendation. “Move your data files to a separate volume (instructions here). You can use a different partition on the same drive or a separate drive – the key is that it have a different drive
Scott Kingery
April 14th, 2007
at 10:46pm
Lots o confusion and FUD out there.
I have Vista Home Premium and I backup and restore just fine. In fact I have a flash demo of it.
Vista does shadow copy in the home versions. That makes sense because that is how it’s new back up system works. There is a very technical video on Channel 9 if you want to learn more about it. Essentially once the initial back up is done then they only worry about the changes. You don’t get that info without some kind of shadow copy service running.
Brandon Paddock
April 15th, 2007
at 11:17am
Uhh - I think he’s confusing Shadow Copy behavior with System Restore. It should be no surprise that they’re related, but there’s a significant distinction.
Andy
April 15th, 2007
at 2:44pm
*shakes my head* Another mistake with Vista. I really hate this whole approach and Microsoft’s attitude with Vista.
When will consumers stop accepting this abuse and stand up and tell Microsoft that enough is enough?
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April 15th, 2007
at 11:26pm
You’d think someone had given Chris Pirillo a Super Atomic Wedgie, judging by the amount of yipping in this post. He’s bemoaning the fact that Windows Vista has a feature that keeps backups of all deleted data files but doesn’t allow you access to those automatic backups if you’re using Vista Home Basic or Home Premium editions. (For a more complete
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April 16th, 2007
at 9:13am
[...] Here’s an interesting blog and comment thread from Chris Pirillo about the same subject - I like the line about not knowing whether to laugh or cry: http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/12/how-not-to-recover-data-from-a-vista-backup/ [...]
Brandon Paddock
April 17th, 2007
at 5:12pm
Andy - what do you mean? You think consumers should demand that Microsoft include more advanced features in Home SKUs?
I guess that’s up to each individual to decide, but I hardly think limiting certain features to higher-priced versions constitutes “abuse.” You probably don’t complain that better seats at a football game cost more than those father away. You don’t complain that Intel only ships Virtualization technology in their higher-end chips. You don’t complain that Intel only allows multi-processor configurations in the Xeon line.
Sometimes the only way to justify the cost of developing a more complex feature is to charge more for it. That’s nothing new…
Someone Else
April 20th, 2007
at 10:47pm
that all is not well with Microsoft’s new operating system to say the least. Please bear with me while I take a quiet moment to say “I told you so” to the folks at Redmond. Your. New. Operating. System. Isn’t. Ready. For. Release. After. Six. Years. Of.
Jake
May 9th, 2007
at 4:59pm
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At this site you can compare data recovery quotes, I haven’t seen any other site that does that.
http://www.datarecoverycompare.com
Does anyone any similiar services for data recovery?
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June 16th, 2007
at 10:23am
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