Fahrenheit 9/11

I doubt its 10% true. When did people stop going to see movies to be entertained?

I don't think it's even 1% true…

Meh. Moore proved himself a manipulator at best, bullshit propagandist at worst a long time ago in my book. Most of the stuff from the movie has already been debunked. What kills me is that everybody keeps saying, 'yes it's biased, yes it may not be true, but you need to see it anyway.' I don't see why

If it weren't true, I believe he would be in some serious legal trouble right about now. Much of it has already been in the news before the movie opened. I think he's legit for most of it. And I would have to say it is not surprising at all!

I caught errors in his Columbine video on casual research. I've read of others. I haven't seen his new film, and am in no rush to. Moore doesn't impress me as one who is focused on the facts, but more on the sensationalism of current events. I question how one can label such a video(s) a documentary, when the filmmaker mistakenly or deliberately fails to verify said information as true and unbiased. I'd call Moore's style of filmmaking as predominantly based on sloppy research and carefully crafted hype.

well Moore himself says it is not a documentary…
I think the conclusions he jumps to based on the facts are a bit off base. But the facts he presents in the movie are just that - facts. Why did Bush take so long to respond after the 2nd plane flew into the WTC? Was it because he was in a room alone, with no advisor to tell him what to do?
And *why* is the Bush family connected to the Bin Laden family? That is fact. I don't think it points to any wrong doing or any bad intentions, but it just seems inappropriate.

moore says that some of it is his opinion but there are facts, (the sadis do own 7% of the US, only one congressmen has a kid in the army, we did bomb inasent iraqis, and bush did mess up a comon phrase.) and used them to form opinion and gave them to us to think about. you are open to your own opinion, but to say it was 1% true? that's not right! more like 90% facts, 89.99999% true

Honestly, I would put more stock in what Moore had to say had he attacked the previous Democratic administration as he does this Republican one. Do I think Bush is wonderful? Hell no! However, Moore is using his money and (limited) power to attack the current administration with reckless disregard of the facts. Does he have the right to do so? Yes, since he prefaced the film as “his slanted opinion”. Will I give him my hard earned money to help him pay for it? Nope!

Chris, If you liked this one, check out some other examples of this type of fare by Leni Riefenstahl. They are like two peas in a pod (except one is so very fat and bloated).
Kurt

Blatent attempt to get the number of comments up Chris… ;-)

Moore is a fat, twinky eating, rabble rouser. He is a capitalist in every sense of the word. His film is pure garbage intended to influence the simple-minded/liberals of the world.

You don't just make this stuff up. Most of what was in this movie was already known from other news sources. Moore just puts everything in one place and presents it all at once. There is speculation in this movie but there is also alot of truth as well.

Will Mr. Bradbury be suing?

I'm waiting for this flick, instead…
http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/

I did some looking around: MovieCopy.net is NOT a legal way to get movies. They just give you some links to some BitTorrents pages. 12.99 for all the movies you want? Sounds too good to be true - and a free lunch. If someone is going to illeagally download movies, they may as well save the $13.
Farenheit 9/11 is anti-Bush propaganda.
Bk.

If Moore was presenting false information and lies, we'd have seen lawsuits already. Take it for what it's worth. I commend Moore for speaking up and rallying a call for change for our country.

Nothings wrong with being a capitalist….unless you're a capitalist and a hypocrite at the same time. Moore has made a living crying foul about how the rich control this country. He's a schmuck. And his films are ridden with lies that only a simple-minded boob would believe.

Anyone whose watched more than 15 minutes of the news can easily see that this film is a piece of trash. Save your money and your time. It's just a Bush bashing session by another raving lunatic liberal. While the liberals are all off having a circle jerk, the conservatives are keeping this country safe and prosperous. A thank you would be fine….then you're welcome to go back to your tree-hugging activities that incidently were provided by people like George W. Bush.

If the accusations that Moore throws at Bush in the movie are a misrepresentation of the truth, that's okay. It's not any different than how the administration mislead America and misrepresented the facts to invade Iraq in the first place.

HOW CAN YOU PRASE BUSH!!??!!??!!?? every thing in this country has gone bad, the rich get richer wile the poor cant afford food!!!! and every thing is getting stripped back now the health care plan in dont get sick, envierment? dont breeth and the educaion plan? dont be dumb!!! remember, bush is a four letter word

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thats more like it…

There's enough there to start impeachment proceedings (or at leat a psych evaluation). Starting a war without provocation, deporting terrorists “to get them out of our hair” (still trying to figure THAT one out), unlawful confinement, the so-called Patriot Act which effectively makes the Bill of Rights optional.
I'm a Canadian and I love the US, warts and all, but IMHO that guy you have in the oval office has got to go.

The only people that are being fooled by the liberal rhetoric of John Kerry and networks like CNN and Michael Moore, are fucktards like Mr. Learn to Spell above. Maybe if Clinton would have done more on the education issues, you wouldn't be an imbecile….

Wow, that sounds like my neighbor dave - the only other person I know who uses insipid words such as “f*cktard.” Your lack of better diction is appauling - people reveal their true intelligence when they open their mouth.

What's with all these anonymous posts?

What I find funny is that all the people that speak out AGAINST the film are also the ones that have not seen it. Interesting. I wish I was an expert on everything I have never seen and my only education about it was second hand more than likely from a biased moron like Rush Limbaugh.

Michael Moore doesn't have to make any of the Bush folks look like cornholes, they do so by themselves. Michael just has the balls to show the video footage that the mass media is to ***** whipped to show. Fox News wouldn't want to lose their front seat at the oval office press room by showing unflattering clips of our *cough* leader being a complete imbecile, now would they?
Why the hell are so many republicans afraid to see this movie? Like somehow they are less republican for seeing it. Anytime you try to talk politics with a bush lover, the only argument they ever seem to be able to pull out of their *** is that Clinton was a ****-sucking man-*****. How yesterday is *that*. At least he didn't kill or maim thousands of innocent soldiers and civilians in the name of world profits.
It pisses me off to think of the good that might have come if one of our “leaders” had the human decency to spend that war machine money on helping PEOPLE. Heck, we might actually get some respect from other countries for being something other a bunch of warrior, profiteering gluttons.
Will the REAL president please stand up.

Yeah lets talk about education under Bush, which hey by they way completely sucks. Oh yeah theres the No Child Left Behind Act, which should have been left behind on the Presidents desk. That Act does nothing but put unreasonable standards on students, teachers, and schools. I mean seriously does it make any sense to take away money from a school that doesn't preform well on standarized tests, but give more money to schools that do actually preform well. Seems like the weathier schools also benefit there not to mention that the act itself is drastically underfunded, not to mention about a half dozen other pieces of legistalation. So wheres the money? Yes, you guessed it the War On Terrorism, mainly to Iraq, which allegedly was prosuing Weapons of Mass Destruction, which is kinda funny when at the beginning of this Administration both Colin Powell and Condelezza Rice (sp?) said the Iraq posed no threat to the United States and couldn't even defend against its neighbors according to Intelligence reports. Yes, the same Intelliegence reports that supposedly said only 4 months later that Iraq had huge stock piles of WMD's and was agressively prosuing more. Hmm thats strange Iraq had none or very little only months before 9/11, but afterwards was a true threat to our society. Anyway that money that I was speaking of you would think it would be going to soilders right? No thats not true because President Bush cut Veterans benefits, and also cut Reservists Benefits as well. Thats such a nice way to treat our men and women in the services. Well then maybe some of that money went to the soldiers families that were killed. Nope thats not true either because the DOD had to pay out so many life insurance policies and continues to do so they had to stop payment on their active duty pay so if you worked 15 days in a month you were only paid those 15 days, which is new DOD policy. Why? Yes you guessed it because federal funding isn't going where it should be going its going into the hands of Halliburton. I don't know that a truck driver for Halliburton should make more money than solider that risks his life to preserve the freedom of our country and to keep the soverign nation of Iraq out of enemy hands, but they are. A typically truck driver in Iraq makes almost 4 times as much as the average soldier and yes just so you know thats one of the lowest paid civilian jobs in Iraq. Now I think you get the picture of where the money goes. If you don't believe me then don't you can say I'm just a radical left-winger like Michael Moore, which in reality couldn't be further from the truth. I am well used to be a very liberal republican and I thought and still do think that John McCain would make and excellent President of the United States. However, the Republican party has taken a turn for the worse, which has made me shift over to being an Independant.
Oh yes just one side note all this talk about how Bush should dump Cheney as his running mate. Well to be honest I think it should be the other way around.

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Nah, all he did was watch when there was a bombing of the Trade Center, USS Cole. He watched as his crew screwed up the Branch Dividians seige. Why did he sit by when his own wife (a non-elected “official” at the time) tried to force national health care down our throats? Then in his book he says “I wanted to do something else but my advisors told me not to” (I read about as much of it as I could stomach). The ultimate buck-passer. Truman was crying in his grave. Yeah, I'll bring up the BJ: if a CEO gets caught in the same situation he's history; why not the President? Oh, I'm sorry it's all Bush's fault (either the elder or younger).
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I don't mind giving people a hand-up when they are down. What I hate (and what I see a lot more of in my town) is the people demand a hand-out. We've got families up and down my street that are third generation welfare. AARRGGHHH! I don't want to waste my money on that. I want to help someone get OUT of welfare. By the way, the “war machine money” WAS spent on people. I work with a few. My company held their jobs while they did a much more important job defending my freedom. They needed food, clothes, transportation to and from Iraq, transportation in Iraq, housing, the list goes on and on. It wasn't all spent on bombs and guns.
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If that's how other countries see us, fine. Next time France gets invaded we'll sit back and watch instead of coming to their aid. Likewise with nearly all of Europe. Same goes for Japan. Who do you think funded their rebuilding after WWII? Certainly not Germany or Japan or Italy (the instigators). Have we been repaid by these countries? NO! With that kind of attitude I'm not sure I want their respect.

>>That Act does nothing but put unreasonable standards on students, teachers, and schools. I mean seriously does it make any sense to take away money from a school that doesn't preform well on standarized tests, but give more money to schools that do actually preform well.
So just how should we hold schools, administrators, counselors and teachers accountable for their jobs? Where I work, if I don't do my job well, I don't get a raise. Educators get a raise every year even if they do a piss poor job - I've seen the pay matrix. If there isn't some mechanism to hold them accountable, they will continue down the path of mediocrity.
>>Iraq, which allegedly was prosuing Weapons of Mass Destruction, which is kinda funny when at the beginning of this Administration both Colin Powell and Condelezza Rice (sp?) said the Iraq posed no threat to the United States and couldn't even defend against its neighbors according to Intelligence reports. Yes, the same Intelliegence reports that supposedly said only 4 months later that Iraq had huge stock piles of WMD's and was agressively prosuing more.
The information from a woefully underfunded and understaffed intelligence agency under the previous administration (Oh no! I'm Clinton bashing!) Once even minimal amounts of intelligence were procured we found out otherwise. Yes, there have been WMD's found: biological mainly, but some nuclear. The biologicals were being tested on northern Iraqi towns.
Why is it that so many people are a part of the “Anybody But Bush” party? No I don't think he is the best president, but he is far from the worst. I have not yet decided how I will vote in November, but I DO know it won't be for Kerry; I just don't know that it will be for Bush.

Wow! Some Hot Tempers around here…good free thinking.
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Given the fact that the democratic party is made up demographically of the youth, the under-educated, the poor, and the blue collar workers of this country, it's not difficult to see how a moron like Michael Moore could sell this pile of propaganda and lies to them.
While you are all sitting around with your dunce caps trying to decide what's best for this country, the Republicans are out there doing it. Just say thank you and go back to drooling in the corner watching the latest episode of survivor.

actually the bigest demographic for survivor is NASCAR DADS!!!!!!! (witch by the way, are REPUBLICANS!!!!!)

I've had to shovel through as much **** on this post as was in Moore's movie… it's simple to sit back and point fingers… a leader has to make decisions… the same people bitchin' about going to war with Iraq are the same ones who would have been saying why didn't we do anything when something else bad happened… go study history… and while you're at it, go do something else productive… join the Marine Corps and learn how NOT to whine…

Nascar Dads are Republicans? Wow….with morons like you in Kerry's corner, Bush is virtually assured 4 more years in the white house. Ever notice how the biggest stereotypers and racists also happen to be liberals?

Lets take security and safety of this country as the central argument for Bush being better. Is the country safer, did the war in Iraq increase or decrease terrorism? Is our homeland security better? If I were a terrorist do you have any idea how easy it would be to slip a nuke through our ports or borders. Where precisely has any money gone to make our country safer against attack. How is it most states are struggling and nearly going bankrupt to achieve homeland security when there is little to no money coming in from federal sources.
Has Bush then made our country safer then.
When you think of military tactics and strategy you think of threat level, on threat level what was Saddam as compared to say Kim Jong of North Korea. I would consider a proven unstable nuclear power more dangerous then a stable unproven nuclear power a higher threat any day.
As to WMD information try and post recent information rather then information from the nineties, recent information has found little to no evidence of weapons of mass destruction of any kind. He did have them but he did not have them before the attack the US iniated.
And I have studied history, if the Bush administration had studied history in particular the history of the Middle East region, they would have understood why their asses are being handed to them right now in Iraq.
Funny isn't it how what you don't like is automatically propaganda?, and what you do like is not propaganda.
Here come the predictable insults, if you wish to respond try arguing logically, its what you Reps are supposed to be famous for, so argue logically that is with facts, all facts, not just ones you censor to fit your own views, as amusingly enough you acuse Michael Moore of doing.

martin luther king WAS a liberal… and gusse what? NOT a racist!!! the crime of racisem is most (70%) found in republicans. it's just like a republican to switch things around.

>> Yeah, I'll bring up the BJ: if a CEO gets caught in the same situation he's history; why not the President? Oh, I'm sorry it's all Bush's fault (either the elder or younger).
If a CEO gets caught getting a blowjob, he gets fired. BUT HEY, if he gets caught ripping of hard working American's, breaking the law, rapeing their companies coffers, and putting Americans out of work — well, they get a free invite to the next Bush Whitehouse dinner. Don't even talk to me about Bush's morals and ethics. He's essentially let every single one of those CEO white collar criminal f*cks go free, and they did a lot more damage to this country than Bill Clinton ever did.
>> They needed food, clothes, transportation to and from Iraq, transportation in Iraq, housing, the list goes on and on. It wasn't all spent on bombs and guns.
Iraq wouldn't need all your “gracious help” if we hadn't demolished their entire country. They didn't seem to need or want our help before the Iraq war.
>> If that's how other countries see us, fine. Next time France gets invaded we'll sit back and watch instead of coming to their aid. Likewise with nearly all of Europe. Same goes for Japan. Who do you think funded their rebuilding after WWII? Certainly not Germany or Japan or Italy (the instigators). Have we been repaid by these countries? NO! With that kind of attitude I'm not sure I want their respect.
Hmmm..Japan, well, we did drop the most damaging, devastating bomb in the history of mankind on their country, instantly vaporing thousands of innocent men, women and children and leaving them with untold causaulties and cities they could barely rebuild on because of the radiation. And you want to be paid back?
How about this for a concept, we donate money to help people and don't expect ANYTHING in return from them. They won't even have to agree with our politics, our stance on the war in Iraq, or share our religious beliefs, and we can forget past aggressions. Normally it would be called humanitarian aid, but America's humanitarian aid comes with a hidden price tag, it always has.

>>That Act does nothing but put unreasonable standards on students, teachers, and schools. I mean seriously does it make any sense to take away money from a school that doesn't preform well on standarized tests, but give more money to schools that do actually preform well.
>>>So just how should we hold schools, administrators, counselors and teachers accountable for their jobs? Where I work, if I don't do my job well, I don't get a raise. Educators get a raise every year even if they do a piss poor job - I've seen the pay matrix. If there isn't some mechanism to hold them accountable, they will continue down the path of mediocrity.
Wow you actually think the school boards, and administators are the ones getting the pay cuts. Hahaha.. right. Nope its the teachers that are getting pay cut, and less funding. Even teachers are getting laid off because the schools don't have enough money to keep them, which in turn increases class size. Now seriously how does that help students in the Public School System. Yeah there are bad teachers but there are far more good teachers and they are losing pay, benefits, and end up having to buy school suplies out of their own pocket. School cut back, by not buying updated books, and conserve by limiting the amount of copies that a school can make per year. They out source jobs to private compianes to save money. School lay of literacy coaches, cut back on elective classes (esspecially in foreign language), and they cut back on after school activities. I ask you once again how does this help our children learn any better. The No Child Left Behind Act leaves countless children behind, and only makes poorer schools poorer, and the rich schools get richer, sounds like typical Bush politics. Schools are forced to act like corporations rather than educational institutions. Its a shame that you actually believe that taking money away from these already strugling schools will help.
>>Iraq, which allegedly was prosuing Weapons of Mass Destruction, which is kinda funny when at the beginning of this Administration both Colin Powell and Condelezza Rice (sp?) said the Iraq posed no threat to the United States and couldn't even defend against its neighbors according to Intelligence reports. Yes, the same Intelliegence reports that supposedly said only 4 months later that Iraq had huge stock piles of WMD's and was agressively prosuing more.
>>>The information from a woefully underfunded and understaffed intelligence agency under the previous administration (Oh no! I'm Clinton bashing!) Once even minimal amounts of intelligence were procured we found out otherwise. Yes, there have been WMD's found: biological mainly, but some nuclear. The biologicals were being tested on northern Iraqi towns.
Actually according to the FY 2001 report President Bush is the one who approved cutting money to the military, department of transportation, and intelligence (CIA, FBI, FTA). So you facts or woefully inadaqute, because it was President Bush who cut intelligence funding not President Clinton. I bet he was saying whoops on that one during that seven minutes he did absolutly nothing but sat in a class room reading a book (actually appropriate for his intelligence). But lets go to your clams which are laugh out loud rediculous. The only amount of WMD found was trace amounts of Cemical Weapons in Northren Tikrit by the UN Weapons Inspectors before the War In Iraq began. It was then confirmed after we invaded Iraq. Oh and the trace amounts were dated from use in the 1980's when the Iraqi Army gased the Kurds. As for fisile material (Nuclear), Iraq never has possed this not even at the height of Iraq's WMD program. Intelligence for Desert Storm only declared that Iraq possed Cemical and Biological Weapons, which they never did use against US Soldiers, in Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Yet more strickingly is the fact that we know for sure that Iran, Pakastan, North Korea, and China posses WMDs, yet we choose the country that we were well not so sure about.
>>>>Given the fact that the democratic party is made up demographically of the youth, the under-educated, the poor, and the blue collar workers of this country, it's not difficult to see how a moron like Michael Moore could sell this pile of propaganda and lies to them.
While you are all sitting around with your dunce caps trying to decide what's best for this country, the Republicans are out there doing it. Just say thank you and go back to drooling in the corner watching the latest episode of survivor.
Hmm typical pompuous *** republican. When at first you can't get the facts to support you, lets get down to the name calling. Though I do believe part of his demographic is correct Democrats seem to attact the poor. Why? Well certainly not because they arn't educated, but because the democrats offer them a chance at a better life. I mean seriously the Republican party has nothing to say about education, when they mainly attract southren voters that are lucky to have an 8th grade education and are still ticked off at the 60s Civil Rights Movements. Did I mention that any President that uses the word “misunderestimated” and “evil-doers”, sound very intellectual to you?
>>>>>I've had to shovel through as much **** on this post as was in Moore's movie… it's simple to sit back and point fingers… a leader has to make decisions… the same people bitchin' about going to war with Iraq are the same ones who would have been saying why didn't we do anything when something else bad happened… go study history… and while you're at it, go do something else productive… join the Marine Corps and learn how NOT to whine…
Actually if you even paid attention in class. You might have learned that Moore supports the action in Afganistan, because they did have the link to terrorism, but Iraq, where was the link? the American people would have rallied behind Bush had he attacked say Saudi Arabi, because even they had a stronger link to the 9/11 attacks than Iraq. Yes I do agree with you though people should serve in the military when they believe the cause is just. The military is one of the greatest things in this country and offers a lot of opportunities to many young adults across the country that otherwise wouldn't have.

Boring film. Loses any sort of power half way through. Obviously two different movies pinned together. Only thing I agree on is it's stupid airlines allow people to take 3-4 boxes of matches and a lighter on board a plane. That's it. The rest is just the usual wacko far-left junk. Heck, if you follow his line then he is connected to bin lid too
http://www.mooreexposed.com/paranoia.html
Obvious conclusions: War sucks. No ****. But while Moore loves to play the “happy iraqis dancing in the streets” before the war, he forgets to show the footage of the hundreds of thousands they of bodies they found tortured, gassed, executed etc.
Death sucks. But then so do bleedin' heart liberals.

Wow…all the Moore haters are in denial. I especially like the one that said most of the info in this film has already been debunked. Riiiight….

not to start an argument but i posted anonymously because i dont have a username or password for this forum

me too. I like chris… but not THAT much

no nothing wrong with that. if that's your preference that ok by me. all I ment was I don't have a username and password on this web site

WHAT EVER!!! our president is an idiot!!
“evil-doers“???
COME ON NOW!!

I am absolutely amazed as I sit here and read this self centred amerrrogance about your country…unfortunately you have once again proven how small you really are in a world that is constantly frustrated by your action/hypocracy…