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> <channel><title>Comments on: Elders vs. Seniors</title> <atom:link href="http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/</link> <description>News and Reviews! Geek, Internet Entrepreneur, Hardware Addict, Software Junkie, Book Author, Once TV Show Host, Technology Enthusiast, Shameless Self-Promoter, Tech Conference Coordinator, Early Adopter, Idea Evangelist, Tech Support Blogger, Bootstrapper, Media Personality, Technology Consultant, Thicker Quicker Picker Upper.</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:37:17 -0800</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Going Like Sixty</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-510878</link> <dc:creator>Going Like Sixty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:05:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-510878</guid> <description>I don&#039;t like elder... it&#039;s one step from elderly.  Ronni and I disagree. She uses it in the sense of elder-statesman. One who by their years and experience deserve respect.
I think Ronni sees ageism around every corner, so she is militant about it.
When somebody under 40 says &quot;older&quot; I always ask, you mean like about sixty?  They quickly say yeah, then realize that I&#039;m sixty and we have a good laugh.
I like the nice broad term boomer. The older I get, the less I like senior and will never like elder.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like elder&#8230; it&#8217;s one step from elderly.  Ronni and I disagree. She uses it in the sense of elder-statesman. One who by their years and experience deserve respect.<br
/> I think Ronni sees ageism around every corner, so she is militant about it.<br
/> When somebody under 40 says &#8220;older&#8221; I always ask, you mean like about sixty?  They quickly say yeah, then realize that I&#8217;m sixty and we have a good laugh.<br
/> I like the nice broad term boomer. The older I get, the less I like senior and will never like elder.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim Handrix</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-82748</link> <dc:creator>Jim Handrix</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:25:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-82748</guid> <description>you are really CRAZY :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are really CRAZY :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt Hartley</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27522</link> <dc:creator>Matt Hartley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:44:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27522</guid> <description>Typo, must be my &#039;youth&#039; coming to back to haunt me- meant to say &quot;clearly in the first place&quot;. ;o)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo, must be my &#8216;youth&#8217; coming to back to haunt me- meant to say &#8220;clearly in the first place&#8221;. ;o)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt Hartley</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27521</link> <dc:creator>Matt Hartley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:41:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27521</guid> <description>Ronni writes:
&quot;and wonder how he knows that senior is generally preferred by those who are comfortable with their age, particularly since he admits he is not an elder.&quot;Let me explain again as I stated very clearly on the first place - &lt;i&gt;&quot;My friendâ€™s mom responds: Theyâ€™re seniors in denial. She said the term Elder is dated and only serves to emphasize just how old they really are. While not being in my later years myself, I am inclined to agree.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronni writes:<br
/> &#8220;and wonder how he knows that senior is generally preferred by those who are comfortable with their age, particularly since he admits he is not an elder.&#8221;</p><p>Let me explain again as I stated very clearly on the first place &#8211; <i>&#8220;My friendâ€™s mom responds: Theyâ€™re seniors in denial. She said the term Elder is dated and only serves to emphasize just how old they really are. While not being in my later years myself, I am inclined to agree.&#8221;</i></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jc</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27501</link> <dc:creator>jc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:27:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27501</guid> <description>I suggest &quot;wiser&quot;. It&#039;s a term that applies to all tribes on the globe. Elders might remind the infamous &quot;elders of zion&quot;. Seniors might remind school or college, or it sounds like the PM of Lebanon, or the spanish for sir and lord. BTW, the hispanic tribes use a term close to &quot;ancient&quot;, and the francophone tribes would not mention anything close to &quot;old&quot;, but would say &quot;of a certain age&quot;. Since all tribes agree that we become wiser, I suggest the global term &quot;the wiser&quot; for us (OOPS, I just told you I&#039;m ancient.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest &#8220;wiser&#8221;. It&#8217;s a term that applies to all tribes on the globe. Elders might remind the infamous &#8220;elders of zion&#8221;. Seniors might remind school or college, or it sounds like the PM of Lebanon, or the spanish for sir and lord. BTW, the hispanic tribes use a term close to &#8220;ancient&#8221;, and the francophone tribes would not mention anything close to &#8220;old&#8221;, but would say &#8220;of a certain age&#8221;. Since all tribes agree that we become wiser, I suggest the global term &#8220;the wiser&#8221; for us (OOPS, I just told you I&#8217;m ancient.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Verna Wilder</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27459</link> <dc:creator>Verna Wilder</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:47:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27459</guid> <description>The word &quot;elder&quot; has connotations that are more appropriate for today&#039;s elders than the connotations for &quot;senior&quot; or &quot;senior citizen.&quot; One of the dictionary defintions is &quot;An older, influential member of a family, tribe, or community.&quot;Some of the commenters here acknowledge the respect implicit in the world elder; others miss it entirely by
1) focusing on the adjective, as in elder sibling
2) speaking as if words don&#039;t matterWords DO matter; names matter; connotation matters. We&#039;re talking about blogging where words are the coin of the realm; what else is there? OK, some people use photos or illustrations, but come on! Think about it. We&#039;ve come a long way from the days when all women, regardless of age, were called &quot;girls,&quot; but I still have relatives who call us &quot;girls&quot; and then apologize for not being &quot;PC.&quot; Our language is not about being politically correct; the way we use language equates to how we view the world and how we communicate that vision of the world, and in no way can we stick with denotation only: connotation defines who we are.Ronni has pegged the crux of the word problem, and that is &quot;ageism.&quot; The younger you are, the less likely you are to recognize ageism, so I ask you younger folks to take our word for it. Ageism exists and it doesn&#039;t serve anyone well, not the elders and not the--hey, shall we call you other folks &quot;kids&quot; since words don&#039;t seem to matter?I respect the  fact that some people don&#039;t care whether they&#039;re called &quot;senior&quot; or &quot;elder.&quot; But the issue is bigger than personal preference.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8220;elder&#8221; has connotations that are more appropriate for today&#8217;s elders than the connotations for &#8220;senior&#8221; or &#8220;senior citizen.&#8221; One of the dictionary defintions is &#8220;An older, influential member of a family, tribe, or community.&#8221;</p><p>Some of the commenters here acknowledge the respect implicit in the world elder; others miss it entirely by<br
/> 1) focusing on the adjective, as in elder sibling<br
/> 2) speaking as if words don&#8217;t matter</p><p>Words DO matter; names matter; connotation matters. We&#8217;re talking about blogging where words are the coin of the realm; what else is there? OK, some people use photos or illustrations, but come on! Think about it. We&#8217;ve come a long way from the days when all women, regardless of age, were called &#8220;girls,&#8221; but I still have relatives who call us &#8220;girls&#8221; and then apologize for not being &#8220;PC.&#8221; Our language is not about being politically correct; the way we use language equates to how we view the world and how we communicate that vision of the world, and in no way can we stick with denotation only: connotation defines who we are.</p><p>Ronni has pegged the crux of the word problem, and that is &#8220;ageism.&#8221; The younger you are, the less likely you are to recognize ageism, so I ask you younger folks to take our word for it. Ageism exists and it doesn&#8217;t serve anyone well, not the elders and not the&#8211;hey, shall we call you other folks &#8220;kids&#8221; since words don&#8217;t seem to matter?</p><p>I respect the  fact that some people don&#8217;t care whether they&#8217;re called &#8220;senior&#8221; or &#8220;elder.&#8221; But the issue is bigger than personal preference.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kay Dennison</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27440</link> <dc:creator>Kay Dennison</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:27:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27440</guid> <description>Call me senior; call me elder (which I prefer &amp; yes, I am an Elderblogger &amp; incredibly proud of it -- long may we rave!!!!);  call me crazy.   I really don&#039;t care as long as I get my propers when it comes to respect &amp; rights in our society.  As to denial.  I cannot be in denial -- my mirror, my body and the world remind me constantly that I&#039;m not the girl I once was.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me senior; call me elder (which I prefer &amp; yes, I am an Elderblogger &amp; incredibly proud of it &#8212; long may we rave!!!!);  call me crazy.   I really don&#8217;t care as long as I get my propers when it comes to respect &amp; rights in our society.  As to denial.  I cannot be in denial &#8212; my mirror, my body and the world remind me constantly that I&#8217;m not the girl I once was.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: vuee</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27435</link> <dc:creator>vuee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:43:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27435</guid> <description>&quot;Older people&quot; seems to be the international English usage. In some communities where being an elder is an earned title, not simply because one has lived longer, then a compromise of &quot;the elderlies&quot; is used.&quot;Older people&quot; seems to sidestep the issue of grandparents at 40 years (a 42 year old elder? a 65-year old elder? is 70 the new &quot;golden ager&quot;? Fortunately, the &quot;golden age&quot; dropped nearly as fast as the advertisers created it.).Elderblogger is good; an older person who writes about issues of concern to the elderlies.Seriously, though, discrimination against and sterotyping of the aged or older people is serious, whether done by older or younger people, or by those in between.As for Google -- like any computer generated activity  -- is stupid, GIGO; which never stopped anyone from making money off of someone. Chris and other googleadders can specify which ads to accept, or not. Everyone else can complain to those running the show over at G-land.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Older people&#8221; seems to be the international English usage. In some communities where being an elder is an earned title, not simply because one has lived longer, then a compromise of &#8220;the elderlies&#8221; is used.</p><p>&#8220;Older people&#8221; seems to sidestep the issue of grandparents at 40 years (a 42 year old elder? a 65-year old elder? is 70 the new &#8220;golden ager&#8221;? Fortunately, the &#8220;golden age&#8221; dropped nearly as fast as the advertisers created it.).</p><p>Elderblogger is good; an older person who writes about issues of concern to the elderlies.</p><p>Seriously, though, discrimination against and sterotyping of the aged or older people is serious, whether done by older or younger people, or by those in between.</p><p>As for Google &#8212; like any computer generated activity  &#8212; is stupid, GIGO; which never stopped anyone from making money off of someone. Chris and other googleadders can specify which ads to accept, or not. Everyone else can complain to those running the show over at G-land.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: zane anderson</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27401</link> <dc:creator>zane anderson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:06:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27401</guid> <description>In Judism and Christianity and in most other &quot;tribal&quot; cultures there are elders, which are the community VIP&#039;s, so to speak. In all ancient civilizations, the elders or older ones were natural - not elected officiers.Age was something one was proud of in those days. When the the leader of Egypt met the Father of Joseph, the first thing he asked about was his age. This account is in Genesis.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Judism and Christianity and in most other &#8220;tribal&#8221; cultures there are elders, which are the community VIP&#8217;s, so to speak. In all ancient civilizations, the elders or older ones were natural &#8211; not elected officiers.</p><p>Age was something one was proud of in those days. When the the leader of Egypt met the Father of Joseph, the first thing he asked about was his age. This account is in Genesis.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alexandra</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27378</link> <dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:27:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27378</guid> <description>Elder, senior, I do not really care which term one uses.  What is important is that younger people recognize the contributions we still make to society and pay more respect. I never thought of my mom as impaired by her age until recently when she became &quot;elderly&quot; and bedridden, but she did read/discuss the New York Times every day well into her nineties.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elder, senior, I do not really care which term one uses.  What is important is that younger people recognize the contributions we still make to society and pay more respect. I never thought of my mom as impaired by her age until recently when she became &#8220;elderly&#8221; and bedridden, but she did read/discuss the New York Times every day well into her nineties.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: swing</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27168</link> <dc:creator>swing</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:50:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27168</guid> <description>In my community -- black American -- elders is the term used, and it connotes respect.I remember reading an interview with a woman in her 70s -- I can&#039;t remember her name, I read it so long ago. Anyhow she said how funny it was that people referred to her as &quot;African-American&quot; and &quot;senior citizen,&quot; saying &quot;Aw, heck -- I&#039;m an old black woman!&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my community &#8212; black American &#8212; elders is the term used, and it connotes respect.</p><p>I remember reading an interview with a woman in her 70s &#8212; I can&#8217;t remember her name, I read it so long ago. Anyhow she said how funny it was that people referred to her as &#8220;African-American&#8221; and &#8220;senior citizen,&#8221; saying &#8220;Aw, heck &#8212; I&#8217;m an old black woman!&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chancy</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27167</link> <dc:creator>Chancy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:37:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27167</guid> <description>My dislike for &quot;Senior&quot; started with  the term &quot;Senior Citizen.&quot;    As Ronni said that term is overused and hackneyed.  I will be 77 in December,  and I much prefer the term &quot;elder&quot; rather than  than &quot;senior.&quot;  This is in no way a denial of my age but more a statement of living to the point in life where I have acquired wisdom and deserve the respect that goes along with age.We &quot;Elder Bloggers&quot; are a large, diverse group with many interests and varied talents. Many of us got acquainted by visiting Ronni Bennett&#039;s blog and following her links. Here&#039;s to all the &quot;Elder Bloggers&quot; who wear their age proudly and refuse to &quot;go gentle into that good night&quot; as Dylan Thomas wrote&quot;Do not go gentle into that good night,Old age should burn and rave at close of day;Rage, rage against the dying of the light.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dislike for &#8220;Senior&#8221; started with  the term &#8220;Senior Citizen.&#8221;    As Ronni said that term is overused and hackneyed.  I will be 77 in December,  and I much prefer the term &#8220;elder&#8221; rather than  than &#8220;senior.&#8221;  This is in no way a denial of my age but more a statement of living to the point in life where I have acquired wisdom and deserve the respect that goes along with age.</p><p>We &#8220;Elder Bloggers&#8221; are a large, diverse group with many interests and varied talents. Many of us got acquainted by visiting Ronni Bennett&#8217;s blog and following her links. Here&#8217;s to all the &#8220;Elder Bloggers&#8221; who wear their age proudly and refuse to &#8220;go gentle into that good night&#8221; as Dylan Thomas wrote</p><p>&#8220;Do not go gentle into that good night,</p><p>Old age should burn and rave at close of day;</p><p>Rage, rage against the dying of the light.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: joared</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27159</link> <dc:creator>joared</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:39:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27159</guid> <description>I equate &quot;senior&quot; as a nice term for high school and college, but let&#039;s leave it  in academia  where it  belongs.  &quot;Senior&quot; is definitely very institutional sounding, outdated.  I dislike the stereotypes associated with the word &quot;senior&quot; which have accrued over the years and are rampant in all levels of our culture.
Use of the term elder can imply wisdom, but does not mean simply because someone is older they have wisdom.  The term can be appropriate for those in a wide age range.I&#039;ve never been in denial of my age, nor am I now at age 70 yrs.  I have generally just referred to myself as &quot;older,&quot;  only because I do not like labels at any age,  since  so often labels  are associated by too many people with inaccurate stereotypes.  We&#039;re long past due to jettison the stereotypical image and the label &quot;senior&quot; that goes with it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I equate &#8220;senior&#8221; as a nice term for high school and college, but let&#8217;s leave it  in academia  where it  belongs.  &#8220;Senior&#8221; is definitely very institutional sounding, outdated.  I dislike the stereotypes associated with the word &#8220;senior&#8221; which have accrued over the years and are rampant in all levels of our culture.</p><p>Use of the term elder can imply wisdom, but does not mean simply because someone is older they have wisdom.  The term can be appropriate for those in a wide age range.</p><p>I&#8217;ve never been in denial of my age, nor am I now at age 70 yrs.  I have generally just referred to myself as &#8220;older,&#8221;  only because I do not like labels at any age,  since  so often labels  are associated by too many people with inaccurate stereotypes.  We&#8217;re long past due to jettison the stereotypical image and the label &#8220;senior&#8221; that goes with it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sara</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27157</link> <dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:33:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27157</guid> <description>I&#039;m old enough to be officially a senior (65) but I look &amp; feel younger.  I hope never to be elderly, no matter how long I actually live.  I&#039;ve always thought that senior citizen was a euphenism for &quot;elderly&quot; or &quot;old&quot; person.  Wisdom does not always come with age, and respect can be earned by anyone at any age.  I feel that being referred to as either senior or elderly segregates me from those younger than myself, but that&#039;s just my opinion.  You know the old joke;  call me anything but don&#039;t call me late for dinner.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m old enough to be officially a senior (65) but I look &amp; feel younger.  I hope never to be elderly, no matter how long I actually live.  I&#8217;ve always thought that senior citizen was a euphenism for &#8220;elderly&#8221; or &#8220;old&#8221; person.  Wisdom does not always come with age, and respect can be earned by anyone at any age.  I feel that being referred to as either senior or elderly segregates me from those younger than myself, but that&#8217;s just my opinion.  You know the old joke;  call me anything but don&#8217;t call me late for dinner.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: stella davidson</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/elders-vs-seniors/comment-page-1/#comment-27123</link> <dc:creator>stella davidson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:35:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/08/08/elders-vs-seniors/#comment-27123</guid> <description>I don&#039;t mind the word senior either.  You could be 20 and I could be 25 and I&#039;d be senior.  Elder feels very weighty and ponderous to me.  It implies  wisdom which, unhappily, does not always accompany age.  I think a person should use whichever term feels more comfortable and nobody should judge or take one or the other as a pejorative.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind the word senior either.  You could be 20 and I could be 25 and I&#8217;d be senior.  Elder feels very weighty and ponderous to me.  It implies  wisdom which, unhappily, does not always accompany age.  I think a person should use whichever term feels more comfortable and nobody should judge or take one or the other as a pejorative.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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