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> <channel><title>Comments on: Creating Community Communication Silos</title> <atom:link href="http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/</link> <description>News and Reviews! Geek, Internet Entrepreneur, Hardware Addict, Software Junkie, Book Author, Once TV Show Host, Technology Enthusiast, Shameless Self-Promoter, Tech Conference Coordinator, Early Adopter, Idea Evangelist, Tech Support Blogger, Bootstrapper, Media Personality, Technology Consultant, Thicker Quicker Picker Upper.</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:33:24 -0800</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Tara (PassPack)</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-333386</link> <dc:creator>Tara (PassPack)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:12:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-333386</guid> <description>People will keep building the newest coolest thing... until it stops being new and cool. Then they&#039;ll move onto the next trend.What gets left in their wake is a a bunch of fledglings, many will die off, others will grow a little, and a select few who are able to find real solutions will mature.Until that happens, it&#039;s up to the users to be creative and find their own solutions. This example made my head spin:
http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/2250</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will keep building the newest coolest thing&#8230; until it stops being new and cool. Then they&#8217;ll move onto the next trend.</p><p>What gets left in their wake is a a bunch of fledglings, many will die off, others will grow a little, and a select few who are able to find real solutions will mature.</p><p>Until that happens, it&#8217;s up to the users to be creative and find their own solutions. This example made my head spin:<br
/> <a
href="http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/2250" rel="nofollow">http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/2250</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Suggested Reading &#124; Chris Webb: Publishing, Media, and Technology</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-332681</link> <dc:creator>Suggested Reading &#124; Chris Webb: Publishing, Media, and Technology</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:46:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-332681</guid> <description>[...] Creating Community Communication Silos (tags: web2.0 socialnetworks) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Creating Community Communication Silos (tags: web2.0 socialnetworks) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeff McNeill &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-04-25</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-328175</link> <dc:creator>Jeff McNeill &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-04-25</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:21:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-328175</guid> <description>[...] Creating Community Communication Silos ~ Chris Pirillo Apr 2007 (tags: socialmedia) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Creating Community Communication Silos ~ Chris Pirillo Apr 2007 (tags: socialmedia) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Julian Bond</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-328148</link> <dc:creator>Julian Bond</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:10:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-328148</guid> <description>+1 for Twitter = IRC. Except that it really isn&#039;t. I would love to see someone combine the responsiveness of IRC/Skype chats with the social group forming of Twitter&#039;s Friends and followers. An IRC where channels were formed around your social group rather than around a topic. I&#039;m hoping that if I keep talking about this, somebody will actually build it.Meanwhile, I&#039;ve experimented with using IRC within a social network (Ecademy). It failed because IRC is too geeky for the mainstream. And web-embedded IRC clients are universally horrible. I&#039;ve had much more success getting the members to use Skype Public Chats and while they are great they are also closed and stuck inside the Skype proprietary/architecture wall.As for moving profile and friends data between social networks, good luck. I reckon OpenID profile exchange and sync is still at least 6 months away but it is coming. Sadly, FOAF is looking increasingly like a dead (write only data) end.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 for Twitter = IRC. Except that it really isn&#8217;t. I would love to see someone combine the responsiveness of IRC/Skype chats with the social group forming of Twitter&#8217;s Friends and followers. An IRC where channels were formed around your social group rather than around a topic. I&#8217;m hoping that if I keep talking about this, somebody will actually build it.</p><p>Meanwhile, I&#8217;ve experimented with using IRC within a social network (Ecademy). It failed because IRC is too geeky for the mainstream. And web-embedded IRC clients are universally horrible. I&#8217;ve had much more success getting the members to use Skype Public Chats and while they are great they are also closed and stuck inside the Skype proprietary/architecture wall.</p><p>As for moving profile and friends data between social networks, good luck. I reckon OpenID profile exchange and sync is still at least 6 months away but it is coming. Sadly, FOAF is looking increasingly like a dead (write only data) end.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stan James</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-326881</link> <dc:creator>Stan James</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-326881</guid> <description>So true.  For my 2 cents, I think the 3 key barriers to this are:1. There is no way to establish identities across various networks. So when you sign up for the new Iguanaster.com social network, it has no way to know  that you really are the &quot;chris&quot; from MySpace. This may be solved by OpenID, but there&#039;s a long way to go.
2. There is no standard way of exchanging social network information. FOAF is the relevant standard, but no one seems to be doing it anymore. But more important is:
3. Terms of Service that prevent automated reading of data. So even if Iguanaster.com was willing and able to scrape your friendlist off MySpace, it simply isn&#039;t allowed. Newer networks like those of del.icio.us and Twitter are open, so hopefully this trend is reversing.
[and... 4. It&#039;s just easier to build a site as a silo, so they do!]Here at Lijit we pull together your various identities and the content you create, but with the more modest goal of making it all searchable. Our infrastructure also allows us to ingest multiple networks; right now this includes your blogroll and delicious networks.In any case, our auto-identity finder is fun: www.lijit.com(Love the chris.pirillo.com/live .... keep it going!)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true.  For my 2 cents, I think the 3 key barriers to this are:</p><p>1. There is no way to establish identities across various networks. So when you sign up for the new <a
href="http://Iguanaster.com" title="http://Iguanaster.com" target="_blank">Iguanaster.com</a> social network, it has no way to know  that you really are the &#8220;chris&#8221; from MySpace. This may be solved by OpenID, but there&#8217;s a long way to go.<br
/> 2. There is no standard way of exchanging social network information. FOAF is the relevant standard, but no one seems to be doing it anymore. But more important is:<br
/> 3. Terms of Service that prevent automated reading of data. So even if <a
href="http://Iguanaster.com" title="http://Iguanaster.com" target="_blank">Iguanaster.com</a> was willing and able to scrape your friendlist off MySpace, it simply isn&#8217;t allowed. Newer networks like those of <a
href="http://del.icio.us" title="http://del.icio.us" target="_blank">del.icio.us</a> and Twitter are open, so hopefully this trend is reversing.<br
/> [and... 4. It's just easier to build a site as a silo, so they do!]</p><p>Here at Lijit we pull together your various identities and the content you create, but with the more modest goal of making it all searchable. Our infrastructure also allows us to ingest multiple networks; right now this includes your blogroll and delicious networks.</p><p>In any case, our auto-identity finder is fun: <a
href="http://www.lijit.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lijit.com</a></p><p>(Love the <a
href="http://chris.pirillo.com/live" title="http://chris.pirillo.com/live" target="_blank">chris.pirillo.com/live</a> &#8230;. keep it going!)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shawn Oster</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-326651</link> <dc:creator>Shawn Oster</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:05:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-326651</guid> <description>There seems to be an issue of keeping community focus vs. allowing different types of communication.On one hand a lot of community sites are aiming to bring people together around a central theme or idea.  myspace.com was all about music, corkd.com is all about wine-lovers, giveness.com is all about those that want to give to a charity while shopping (cool idea by the way).  Keeping that focus helps your chances of connecting with like-minded people.  It also means you can offer tools that are unique to that focus, like corkd&#039;s ability to recommend wines or giveness&#039;s ability to suggest products to buy via Amazon, which in turn benefits a charity.Once you make those connections though you are now left with that communications issue.  You already have a blog, a comment system, three IM names, two IRC channels and 8 forums you watch... now you have yet another set to monitor?  That also means more passwords, more user names, more sites to remember.I feel RSS has been a great step towards a more interoperable web, there are many sites I&#039;d never visit if it wasn&#039;t for having an RSS feed.  What we really need is an IM and commenting backbone similar to RSS.  Something vendor agnostic and simple.  While I&#039;m a huge fan of IRC it&#039;s something only a very, very small percentage of the social networking crowd even knows about.  Plus, setting up an IRC server isn&#039;t nearly as easy as setting up a comment feed or even grabbing an off-the-shelf live chat package.  I notice a lot of sites allow you to list your Yahoo, Messenger, ICQ, AIM, or (network of choice) user name, yet those only facilitate one to one communication.Twitter could probably come close to a new type of backbone, as it&#039;s basically the MySpace commenting system minus the actual MySpace.  The biggest issue of course with Twitter is that it&#039;s, well, Twitter.  It&#039;s a site, not a standard, so at any time they can decide to start charging, block their network to outside users, crash or get bought-out.Hmmm...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be an issue of keeping community focus vs. allowing different types of communication.</p><p>On one hand a lot of community sites are aiming to bring people together around a central theme or idea. <a
href="http://myspace.com" title="http://myspace.com" target="_blank">myspace.com</a> was all about music, <a
href="http://corkd.com" title="http://corkd.com" target="_blank">corkd.com</a> is all about wine-lovers, <a
href="http://giveness.com" title="http://giveness.com" target="_blank">giveness.com</a> is all about those that want to give to a charity while shopping (cool idea by the way).  Keeping that focus helps your chances of connecting with like-minded people.  It also means you can offer tools that are unique to that focus, like corkd&#8217;s ability to recommend wines or giveness&#8217;s ability to suggest products to buy via Amazon, which in turn benefits a charity.</p><p>Once you make those connections though you are now left with that communications issue.  You already have a blog, a comment system, three IM names, two IRC channels and 8 forums you watch&#8230; now you have yet another set to monitor?  That also means more passwords, more user names, more sites to remember.</p><p>I feel RSS has been a great step towards a more interoperable web, there are many sites I&#8217;d never visit if it wasn&#8217;t for having an RSS feed.  What we really need is an IM and commenting backbone similar to RSS.  Something vendor agnostic and simple.  While I&#8217;m a huge fan of IRC it&#8217;s something only a very, very small percentage of the social networking crowd even knows about.  Plus, setting up an IRC server isn&#8217;t nearly as easy as setting up a comment feed or even grabbing an off-the-shelf live chat package.  I notice a lot of sites allow you to list your Yahoo, Messenger, ICQ, AIM, or (network of choice) user name, yet those only facilitate one to one communication.</p><p>Twitter could probably come close to a new type of backbone, as it&#8217;s basically the MySpace commenting system minus the actual MySpace.  The biggest issue of course with Twitter is that it&#8217;s, well, Twitter.  It&#8217;s a site, not a standard, so at any time they can decide to start charging, block their network to outside users, crash or get bought-out.</p><p>Hmmm&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ruben</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-326526</link> <dc:creator>Ruben</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:31:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-326526</guid> <description>Glad someone sees the Twitter : IRC similarities.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad someone sees the Twitter : IRC similarities.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Stewart</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-326464</link> <dc:creator>Paul Stewart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:42:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-326464</guid> <description>GaAdd</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GaAdd</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Stewart</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-326452</link> <dc:creator>Paul Stewart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:39:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-326452</guid> <description>Gateable Addressing.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gateable Addressing.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SubWolf</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-326450</link> <dc:creator>SubWolf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:39:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-326450</guid> <description>Agreed, I signed up at Facebook &amp; Virb only a few weeks ago, not seeing the point of signing up for yet another silo community.Jaiku is helping by aggregating your various sources together, but still....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, I signed up at Facebook &amp; Virb only a few weeks ago, not seeing the point of signing up for yet another silo community.</p><p>Jaiku is helping by aggregating your various sources together, but still&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: New Tech News Blog Network ~ Lockergnome</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-446855</link> <dc:creator>New Tech News Blog Network ~ Lockergnome</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-446855</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;When is the Best time to Buy a New Computer?Your Favorite Ice Cream FlavorCooking VideosPirillo’s Picks for 04/27/2007Beginning of a New Network: UndoTVEmpowering WomenSoul Mate BlogsRetirement IdeasCreating Community Communication SilosPlaying Halo 2 for Windows Vista - Live!Screen Capture SoftwareVideo Help and VoicemailScreencasting SoftwareShopping Coupons and Codes   &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is the Best time to Buy a New Computer?Your Favorite Ice Cream FlavorCooking VideosPirillo’s Picks for 04/27/2007Beginning of a New Network: UndoTVEmpowering WomenSoul Mate BlogsRetirement IdeasCreating Community Communication SilosPlaying Halo 2 for Windows Vista &#8211; Live!Screen Capture SoftwareVideo Help and VoicemailScreencasting SoftwareShopping Coupons and Codes</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael’s Meanderings</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-446854</link> <dc:creator>Michael’s Meanderings</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-446854</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;When is the Best time to Buy a New Computer?Your Favorite Ice Cream FlavorCooking VideosPirillo’s Picks for 04/27/2007Beginning of a New Network: UndoTVEmpowering WomenSoul Mate BlogsRetirement IdeasCreating Community Communication SilosPlaying Halo 2 for Windows Vista - Live!Screen Capture SoftwareVideo Help and VoicemailScreencasting SoftwareShopping Coupons and Codes    &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is the Best time to Buy a New Computer?Your Favorite Ice Cream FlavorCooking VideosPirillo’s Picks for 04/27/2007Beginning of a New Network: UndoTVEmpowering WomenSoul Mate BlogsRetirement IdeasCreating Community Communication SilosPlaying Halo 2 for Windows Vista &#8211; Live!Screen Capture SoftwareVideo Help and VoicemailScreencasting SoftwareShopping Coupons and Codes</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Chris Pirillo Show</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-446857</link> <dc:creator>The Chris Pirillo Show</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-446857</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;  Personal Blog  Cooking Videos  Pirillo?s Picks for 04/27/2007  Beginning of a New Network: UndoTV  Empowering Women  Soul Mate Blogs  Retirement Ideas  Creating Community Communication Silos  Playing Halo 2 for Windows Vista - Live!  Watch This  Letter from a Disgruntled TechTV/G4 Viewer  Contact Us on eBay or MySpace  Google Calendar Security Notice  Cingular BlackJack Phone Problems  Streaming Live from the Podcast Hotel&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Personal Blog  Cooking Videos  Pirillo?s Picks for 04/27/2007  Beginning of a New Network: UndoTV  Empowering Women  Soul Mate Blogs  Retirement Ideas  Creating Community Communication Silos  Playing Halo 2 for Windows Vista &#8211; Live!  Watch This  Letter from a Disgruntled TechTV/G4 Viewer  Contact Us on eBay or MySpace  Google Calendar Security Notice  Cingular BlackJack Phone Problems  Streaming Live from the Podcast Hotel</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Epicenter - Wired Blogs</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-446856</link> <dc:creator>Epicenter - Wired Blogs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-446856</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;$3.02 billion in sales, a 32 percent jump. Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos said, &quot;We&#039;re pleased with our overall strong growth and especially with the number of people joining Amazon Prime.&quot;   The much feared bubble may indeed be in effect (as Chris Pirillo points out, there are but so many social networks a person can join), but if Google, and now Amazon’s numbers are indicative of real trends, the tech space is on solid ground.  Photo: Etech  &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$3.02 billion in sales, a 32 percent jump. Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos said, &#8220;We&#8217;re pleased with our overall strong growth and especially with the number of people joining Amazon Prime.&#8221;   The much feared bubble may indeed be in effect (as Chris Pirillo points out, there are but so many social networks a person can join), but if Google, and now Amazon’s numbers are indicative of real trends, the tech space is on solid ground.  Photo: Etech</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By:  SocioBiblog</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/creating-community-communication-silos/comment-page-1/#comment-644732</link> <dc:creator> SocioBiblog </dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/04/24/creating-community-communication-silos/#comment-644732</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;What would be the one fundamental principle every social networking community must have for maintaining its integrity to the people who are using that site?”. To me… the answer is simple.   Related Content:The Most Awesome Social Network EverCreating Community Communication SilosPownce: Social Networks aren’t Identity NetworksWhat is Social Networking?Alex Kummerman on the ClicMobile AreYouHere Social Networking Platform&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be the one fundamental principle every social networking community must have for maintaining its integrity to the people who are using that site?”. To me… the answer is simple.   Related Content:The Most Awesome Social Network EverCreating Community Communication SilosPownce: Social Networks aren’t Identity NetworksWhat is Social Networking?Alex Kummerman on the ClicMobile AreYouHere Social Networking Platform</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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