Buying Gas with a Credit Card Could Cost More
Many credit card companies, such as Visa, charge gas stations a fee every time you use your credit card at the pump. Many of these stations are passing that charge along to you in the form of higher-than-advertised gas prices. Let’s say the price per gallon of gas is $3.85 when you pay inside with cash. That same exact purchase using your credit card could cost you $3.95 instead. Some companies are admitting to this extra fee, and offering discounts for paying with cash. Other companies are not even bothering to tell the consumer, hoping you’ll never notice. What did my friends at FriendFeed have to say about this?
WHOA!!! That is outrageous! I’m glad I just started following you! - Justin Korn
I’ve heard of this happening from time to time lately, but this was standard in like 1983… Back to the future? - Jay Wiegmann
the WaWA stations around the Philly,NJ, DE region take 10c or more off for paying cash. - clarke thomas via twhirl
Debit card too? Anyone know? - zoblue
There’s a gas station down the road from me. I think it’s Giant. They list the price on the sign and then in dark letters on a dark background it says "cash." At night, you can’t read it till it’s too late. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
None of this is new folks. We went thru this in the late 70s/early 80s. - Steve Gillette via twhirl
LOL Marc. None. I made it up to express my emotions. Just fill in the blanks. ;-) - AJ Batac
I have yet to see a gas station in Southern California that does this but then again I only get my gas at Costco. - Michael Narciso
Yes, this was common in the 1980s. It was widely outlawed, no? - James Joyner
it does make some sense, the retailer will lose money on the credit card purchase b/c of having to pay the fee to the CC company for use of their product. - clarke thomas
@Michael: Almost every AM/PM I’ve seen in California and Arizona does it. They don’t charge per gallon, but they do charge a one time fee. Usually at least .35. and you have to know your cards pin #. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
Still happening here in New Jersey - the difference is typically 8-10 cents, and that’s why I use cash. - Scott Kitchen
Blogged about this here: http://www.outsidethebeltway.c…. Credited you. - James Joyner
This is an on-going issue on a lot of fronts not just gasoline. We have discussed offering rebates to clients that pay by check vs cc as the s/c’s that we get hit with by the cc companies are outrageous compared to our bank’s fee structure. The flip side is that a lot of folks use their cc for the points or other gimmes. As well as from a corporate accounting perspective, it is quite easy to track expenditures as they relate to profit and loss when cc is the method of payment. - Mathew A. Koeneker
Steve: I wasn’t buying gas in the 70/80’s, so I was shocked to here this, particularly now when prices are so high. - Justin Korn
Clarke: If you are a retailer and you accept Credit Card, you adjust your prices accordingly or set a minimum purchase so that the credit card fee is worth your while. - Justin Korn
Jason: AM/PM puts this charge up front and does not at any time sneak it in while you are at the gas tank. They have always done that and people (i think) are generally aware of it. - Justin Korn
Justin, l0ckergn0me (Chris Pirillo) is a great guy to follow, even before FriendFeed. His site is all about making technology understandable. Plus, he has a sweet PC setup in his office. - J. Phil
@Justin They make you aware of it when you pull up to the tank and then try to pay by card only to have to walk to the center of the island and then read the little sticker saying they are charging you a convenience fee. It’s not a convenience when I have to leave my car and walk over to an atm and do it all there and then have to go back later to get my receipt. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
J.Phil - Thanks for the tip…I’ll need to get acquainted with Chris and maybe someday check out this sweet PC setup - Justin Korn
@Jason - True, but my point is this video that was shared is a shock and totally absurd. For a gas company to slip the surcharge in at the tank with no warning, notice, nothing…that is wrong and possibly illegal. AM/PM has been charging a credit card fee for years, that’s their policy, always has been (and their gas is typically cheaper too). - Justin Korn
One last thing….AM/PM calls it a "convenience fee" to make it sound nice and sweet. really it’s a, "we are being charged, so we are passing that fee on to you" fee and being nice about it. - Justin Korn
Merchants are allowed to DISCOUNT for cash. However, Visa and MasterCard DO NOT allow merchants to charge a fee for using a credit card. If you see them doing this, report it to your credit card company. You can report to MasterCard here: http://www.mastercard.com/us/p… - Jeremy Brooks
@Justin: I agree with you on both points. The video was definitely a shock fest and what some of those companies are doing probably is illegal. Second, AM/PM does eventually disclose what it’s doing. A couple of years ago, that .35 meant something. they weren’t always cheaper. now, your right, it doesn’t really mean much at all. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
@Jason: AM/PM does not charge for credit card transactions (in fact, last time I checked, they don’t accept credit cards). They charge for DEBIT transactions, which is allowed by bank’s terms of service. - Jeremy Brooks
In my area Chevron, Shell, and Mobile have empty gas pumps throughout the day. Arco and 76 are filled to the brim with cars. I really do hope Chevron and Shell feel the pain. - Michael Narciso
@Jeremy: you can use your credit card at am/pm if you know the pin number for it. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
As much as I agree with the dislike of the practice, I am more burned by the rates merchant account companies charge for the ability to take credit cards. With gas especially, a percentage is just not feasible when rates climb. The percentage cuts into the already extremely narrow profit (pennies) the gas station makes. There should be a different rate structure for gas stations if Visa/MC want to keep this business. - Jeremy Hall
@Jason: Maybe they have changed; the last time I was at an AM/PM, they didn’t accept any type of credit card, PIN or not. They only accepted debit cards. - Jeremy Brooks
Jeremy, it is entirely possible/probable that it is I that was wrong. I was under the impression that you could. Your probably right. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
I’ve been using CC’s issued by the gas companies Union 76 & Chevron here in California for over 20 years and have never seen a fee or cash discount imposed for their use. - Jeff P. Henderson
I can tell you how I feel, I’m not happy. The price of gas is outrageous enough these days without gas stations passing along their merchant’s fees to me as well. What do you think? Are you ticked off? Are you going to ask the station attendant what you’re actually paying before you fill that tank? Or… will you just start paying in cash now?
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52 Comments
Marty (SMB)
July 11th, 2008
at 1:43am
The only reason this makes me mad is because the gas stations never told us. If they had just admitted up front that there was a fee for using your credit card, I wouldn’t mind. In fact, that would get more people to use cash, which in turn makes it so they don’t have to pay up in the first place. I agree. The price of petroleum is outrageous enough without them sneaking nickels and dimes out of our pockets.
fraser
July 11th, 2008
at 2:17am
Im in the UK enough said lol
iellie
July 11th, 2008
at 5:05am
I’ve heard about this. Also I have noticed at some gas stations in the area charging more than they are advertising. My friend noticed one day while filling up after paying cash that something wasn’t right. He stopped at 1 gallon exact and noticed the price for that gallon was a couple cents higher. Whats that about?
Peter
July 11th, 2008
at 6:03am
This has been the practice for years and is nothing new. Even before this, there was a credit or cash price - it was just more prominently displayed. I didn’t realize that there was _still_ a credit/cash price, though - that’s not as displayed. If I can find that, it may be worth getting cash for gas, just to avoid an extra 5-10 cents/gallon.
I’m not really shocked, though. The companies get dinged when we use a credit card - all of them. Why should they take the hit because it’s convenient for us? Prices go up subtly to cover for that hit. It’s all part of running a business.
As for gas prices, let’s see our Congress do something about national production and I’ll bet the prices drop. Every time they say “no exploration in the US”, the price goes up. (Really - there is a correlation.)
Rob
July 11th, 2008
at 7:44am
Surprising that they would be so open about it. Merchant agreements with the credit card companies - unless things have changed in the last few years which I very much doubt - explicitly forbid offering cash discounts, CC surcharge or any other disincentive to using credit cards.
I signed merchant agreements on behalf of my company a few years ago, and it was made very clear that if we wanted to accept credit cards we couldn’t do that.
That being said, I know it happens from time to time, but I’m surprised to hear that major gas companies are doing it.
pwn247
July 11th, 2008
at 10:08am
Well that would be stupid.
It costs more money to travel cash than to travel credit card data. Just another lame attempt for the oil businesses to earn even more money (as if they needed that right now).
homestarrunner
July 11th, 2008
at 11:30am
that’s crazy
Traveller
July 11th, 2008
at 12:09pm
For the most part this is nonsense. By law the price on the pump is what you pay. If anyone is charging you more than the pump price, call Better Business Bureau and your police department. This is fraud. Of course, there are probably some businesses that try this, but they are in deep trouble. Always check your receipt, if it does not match what the pump says then you have problems. The receipt will show how much you pumped, the price per gallon and your total charge. All of these numbers should match what the pump says.
Credit card companies do charge merchants for using their system. These charges, along with all other expenses, are rolled into the price they charge, not added on.
Emeraldgirl93
July 11th, 2008
at 12:18pm
Really? wow, I didn’t know that my dad rides motercycle a lot and he ususally uses the credit card to pay most of the time… looks like what saves time also costs more.
Exothermic Reaction
July 11th, 2008
at 4:02pm
if you catch this being done, report it to your credit card company immediately. the credit card’s merchant account contract forbids all merchants from adding so called credit card fee’s. This is a card industry wide rule. The merchant can loose the privilege to accept credit cards for such activity. A local city was caught doing this, and lost the ability to accept credit cards for all of their services.
It comes down to semantics, since it is perfectly legal for someone to offer a cash discount instead.
Exo
anthonyk
July 11th, 2008
at 4:06pm
Thanks for the tip chris !!!
Exothermic Reaction
July 11th, 2008
at 4:09pm
I read some more of the comments above, the rule against there being a credit card convenience fee, only applies when the card is used in credit card mode. If you are forced to use your PIN, they are going through the ATM network which can apply such fees. Many banks offer programs that refund such ATM POS fees, you may need to notify your bank that it was a POS fee rather than an ATM fee and they may reverse it.
Exo
animation815
July 11th, 2008
at 4:17pm
Wow that is crazy they charge you to use a credit card to pump gas, and they should be required to tell you about the charge if someone is not.
James
July 11th, 2008
at 5:03pm
This is why I don’t drive. Everything about it is a luxury while the world treats it like a necessity.
warefly
July 11th, 2008
at 5:26pm
Thanks Chris! I totally was not aware of this until now, but I do still believe most people who use credit cards do it to save time. People might not always have the time to pull out some change and walk up to the store, so credit cards makes it convinient for them. It is better to pay a little more than not having money to pay with at all. I’m sure a few people might have saved their jobs by not paying with change/cash at a gas station.
Just my opinion.
WindowsGuru84
July 11th, 2008
at 5:52pm
What i did to beat gas prices was bought a 1987 Mercedes Benz and i use 30% Diesel fuel and 70% oil i get free from mcdonalds and the like. I suggest that a lot of people do this. It saves a lottttt of precious $$$$
guystran
July 11th, 2008
at 5:59pm
Thats a total ripoff. What happens if you only have $20 and they charge you $25? All they want is money.
Austin
July 11th, 2008
at 6:02pm
Hi, wow thank god I have 2 years, until I have to drive, but it cant get any better in that time, good to know Chris!!!!
lockerhaxor
July 11th, 2008
at 6:04pm
Lucky for me I don’t have to worry about gas :D, I don’t drive yet. Although It’s not looking good for when I do. I’ll probably end up driving some tiny used sub-compact :’(. Which is NOT what I want to be driving…
Kyle Dylan Conner
July 11th, 2008
at 6:06pm
We hardly use credit cards anymore when it comes to buying gas. In Delaware they take off 5 to 10 cents. Thank you for the heads up though.
Adam
July 11th, 2008
at 6:18pm
Wow, well now i know not to use a credit card when i fill up, haha man that can add up quick!
Dozbubba
July 11th, 2008
at 6:24pm
I think that is stupid because it is the same product and your still using your money just in a different way and it cost more.
SL0RD
July 11th, 2008
at 6:33pm
Here in Canada there are a few gas stations that give you 5 cents off per liter if you pay with cash or a debit card. Which is pretty cool i guess. I don’t have to worry about gas prices for about another month when i turn 16!!!!!
TDog
July 11th, 2008
at 6:46pm
I have heard of certain merchants doing this and only one gas stations around here in Ohio but that’s it. If we weren’t already getting robbed at the gas station, I wouldn’t be all that upset, since it would save those that are paying cash since we don’t have to make up for those extra transaction charges.
Bowler4Ever
July 11th, 2008
at 6:47pm
It’s true! Even the gas stations around my area are now going to “cheaper gas if you pay cash”. It’s a nice thing, too, since I refuse to pay for stuff with a credit card. Personally, I think it’s downright illegal to NOT say that it’s cheaper if you pay cash!
Dynasty Chen
July 11th, 2008
at 6:53pm
I really didn’t think that was true. In fact I saw that on my local gas station. Well, here is the ironic part, some credit card companies gives you cash rewards for buyings, not much but 3% counts as a lot sometimes. And you save some money by paying using cash, isn’t it the same as using a credit card? Reward equals discount? I think the math is easy here. Nowadays, I prefer buses or just walk to my work, save some cash.
Alicia
July 11th, 2008
at 6:55pm
That is understandable. I mean…if oil companies weren’t making so much off every gallon already.
Are they charging the ten cents per gallon? If so, that is RIDICULOUS. they shouldn’t be making an extra $2 every time I fill up, just to pay for something that they have MORE than enough from my fuel purchase to pay. Mom and pop shops that don’t have much business, I can understand having finance charges like that, but gas stations!? EVERYONE needs a gas station, whether or not they have a car themselves, they depend on transportation. Transportation depends on gas. Gas comes from gas stations. All the companies are doing is ensuring more unhappy people forced to use their product despite their crooked and scheming ways.
commputer35
July 11th, 2008
at 7:12pm
i pay on gas 4.01 but if i pay with cash it is 3.95
Zakman_laptop
July 11th, 2008
at 7:31pm
my gas station here in wisconson is still $3.00
so im good!!! w00t!!!
Giles VG
July 11th, 2008
at 7:33pm
Another reason it may cost more, is because people are used to paying their states taxes, but if they are traveling, which a lot of people do this summer, they may get confused because of the change in tax. Just a thought.
Jon
July 11th, 2008
at 7:35pm
I have heard they jack up the price if you use your credit card. You should use cash, so you dont get charged the extra 10-20 cents a gallon
XyresicPsych
July 11th, 2008
at 7:37pm
This is understandable from the gas stations point of view, but I think it is wrong on the CC companies part. What happens then is people can’t afford to get gas with cash or credit, because they cannot afford cash until payday and credit is too much, and eventually, I think, gas prices will have to get lower or alternate energy sources have to take off. Very soon.
Kayhan
July 11th, 2008
at 7:38pm
LOL that is so true. I figured this all out last week and i was like…whoaa!
d0ugfunny
July 11th, 2008
at 7:38pm
woah! that’s just not cool. What’s the point anymore. I’ve been riding my bike anyplace within 10 miles of my house now… which I guess is a good thing. But the price of gas is outrageous and this on top of it isn’t helping.
Kelly
July 11th, 2008
at 7:40pm
paid 3.93 in Idaho a week ago, in Mesa, AZ, its about 4.25
videodude
July 11th, 2008
at 7:40pm
gas is high anyways i dont think it matters lol
iCraigery
July 11th, 2008
at 7:40pm
Gas keeps fluctuating in Indiana. One day it will be 3.94$ a gallon then it will jump up to 4.15 a gallon. It’s frustrating. I just ride my bike to work now!
SR
July 11th, 2008
at 7:43pm
They take money off in NYC too if you pay cash, It’s because the gas stations get charged CC fees
Jack Webster
July 11th, 2008
at 7:44pm
Geez. If Petrol here had credit card surcharge, that’d drive people off the edge. The ACCC (The Australian Consumer Competition Commission) would go over the edge on that one. Outrageous. Boycott em I say.
rra_incognito
July 11th, 2008
at 7:47pm
WHOA! That’s insane. I’ll likely be paying cash the next time I purchase gas, especially now that it’s 4.15/gallon.
Adam
July 11th, 2008
at 7:47pm
Very cool tips chris
Blaze
July 11th, 2008
at 7:50pm
I know the stations around here take cards, but many have signs advertising a better price if you use cash. I suppose I understand it. Haha.
shaggyolsen
July 11th, 2008
at 7:56pm
i don’t $ have a lt a money so can’t get gas
i am geting a bike i need that
Nerdzo
July 11th, 2008
at 7:57pm
But what about those keychains that you swipe at the pump and then it likes put it on your visa or something, we always get trials in the mail but we never get em
Joseph
July 11th, 2008
at 8:08pm
I love all of your videos! It’s good to see that there’s more than one computer-loving, comedian guy out there!
Chris Sanford
July 11th, 2008
at 9:07pm
Lying to get more money and rip-off their customers? Hmm…
New Revolution Ventures
July 11th, 2008
at 9:42pm
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at 2:22am
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JBP915
July 13th, 2008
at 9:40am
What? I didn’t know this! Now I can’t trust going to a gas station. And I use my CC for my gas all the time now I will start paying with cash.
RandomLocation
July 13th, 2008
at 9:01pm
Wow, that is incredibly insane.
You guys better start paying by cash imo.
Blur
July 14th, 2008
at 5:54am
Wow I never even noticed this.. Good thing I always pay with ca$h. Prices are already outrageous and now they gotta squeeze out 10 cents more?
hank
May 9th, 2009
at 8:09am
Gas station owners are nothing but a bunch of rip-off artists that think they are owed everything on a silver platter!! Get over yourselves.
It’s called business. If any of you gas station operators had an inkling of business sense, you would understand that credit cards are a business too. By making the consumer pay the penalty for your problem with credit card companies, I say too effing bad, live with it. If you can’t, go back to your native country dumb-asses!! We are tired of supporting you as__oles!
It should be a crime in itself for you to send any of the money you make in the USA back to your foreign-*** country. Either be American or leave!