Comments on: Alternative Fuel and Hybrid Modifications: Water4Gas?

By: Hydro Hybrids

Hydro Hybrids — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:56:26 +0000

Oops I am late to this one….

For a fact, adding supplemental hydrogen will allow more efficient combustion of gasoline and diesel engines alike.

Everyone who is saying it can’t be done for whatever reason is simply full of it and has never tried it properly… OR they have an agenda. Always beware of folks who tell you “it is impossible” or “it can’t be done”.

I drive a turbo sports car that gets 41mpg thanks to my own simple hydrogen generator. I have hydrogen generators in all of my vehicles… even my 250cc scooter! My 4×4 now gets highway mileage in the city thanks to the very same hydrogen booster.

Let me state this more clearly… I have a hybrid Nissan 240sx turbo. With roughly 220hp it has plenty of get up and go to put a big grin on any guys face… and at the same time… It gets upwards of 41mpg on the highway. I can boil off a set of tires and still get fairly great economy too. Fast and GREEN!

Click my name for a free video that will show you how to build a hydrogen booster that is a bit more efficient than the wire coil type folks are talking about here. No strings… no expensive ebooks… lol

I will warn that the “water4gas” system, as they teach it, has a tendency to have problems being airtight. They use a plastic lid that allows hydrogen to seep around the edges. Watch my video to see how to overcome this issue.

While water4gas has the right idea… learn how to build a slightly better system and you will see some amazing results! Hydrogen supplementation does work folks… try if for yourself!

~Jason
HydroHybrids.net

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:03:00 +0000

I didn’t believe in water4gas either. I’m no man of science, so I can only blieve what others say. I read in so many places that there is no way you can produce enough hydrogen to produce energy to run a car. You could, but then you have to give more input than just the car battery current. And they said it was against the 3rd (or 2nd) law of entropy.
Then I came across this site http://water4gas-scam.com which actually says that it is not the hydrogen that produces the extra energy. It is the gasoline itself that does it. Hydrogen quickly burns increasing the thermodynamics in favor of gasoline combustion and instead of the regular 25%, you get 50% gasoline burning, which otherwise would have gone out as unburnt hydrocarbons. You just doubled your gas mileage, congratulations!
I have no idea if this is right or wrong, this is what I figured reading the above site, sorry if I misinterpreted, as I said, I’m no man of science!

By: nui015590122

nui015590122 — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:14:49 +0000

Is it really a scam?
if you don’t satisfy you can asked for refund..no more pain

please see …..carwaterguide.blogspot.com

You don’t have to try something to understand that it works.
I’ve seen facts on the news and all over the Internet, that running a car on water IS possible.

Even that I haven’t tried doing it, it doesn’t mean that it’s impossible.

By: William

William — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:57:53 +0000

My, my,

So much conjecture, supposition, guesswork, and “I don’t think it will work; but I’ve never even tested it myself” responses!

What are you people smoking? Have you ever heard of a “heat pump”? It’s an air conditioner that runs a reverse cycle to put heat in a structure instead of take it out as the “normal” function of an air conditioner does.

I’m very worried about how much university professors are getting paid to turn out such “brain trusts” as some of the comments on this site would indicate.

Using hydrogen to produce energy? Check out this link to the NASA web site. They have been using “hydrogen” and “oxygen” to produce energy very well in spacecraft for many many years.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/fuel_cells.html

If you can produce heat from an air conditioner, simply by running the cycle in reverse; what makes you think you can’t run a “fuel cell” in reverse and, instead of producing H20 as a byproduct from the interaction of hydrogen and oxygen, produce hydrogen and oxygen by splitting water via hydrolysis?

Anyone up on their nuclear theory? What do you get when you release the energy from just on atom? Answer – a lot of energy.

What do you get when you break down a molecule of water? Two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.

Produced in adequate volume; it is an excellent addition to the regular gas being disbursed to the engine through the injectors or carb.

The hydrogen is introduced into the engine by tapping a line into the air intake to the engine. Normal vacuum draws the gas in. YOU DON’T PUT WATER INTO YOUR GAS TANK AND EXPECT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN as it sounds like some of you think.

In the system in question the gas is only generated while the car is in operation. When you turn off the ignition – the process stops. Hydrogen gas on demand. Not pressurized.

Do us all a favor and go do your homework/research before feeling the necessity to share with the rest of the class.

Don’t trust all that you read on the internet? Absolutely! But remember; that works both ways.

There are people monitoring the web every day to try and debunk valid ideas that would take away from their employers’ bottom line. They can’t undersell it; so they have to try to make people believe it won’t work. They always convince a few gullible suckers their right.

Before closing; I’m sure some of you have heard of the “urban legend” of using “acetone” to get better gas mileage? Many sites quote “experts” in the car and chemical industry who say it’s a hoax. It won’t work. It will melt your fuel system lines.

Well I’m puzzled.

If it’s a hoax; how is it that after I have been adding 2 ounces of acetone to 10 gallons of gas in my 91 Ford Escort wagon for the past year I am getting in excess of 10% better MPG?

When I test again by not adding the acetone, when I fill up, my mileage drops back down again. Is it just my imagination?

Are my “total miles driven” and my “total gallons used to fill up my tank” lying? It’s math. It doesn’t know how to lie.

Think about that the next time you go and make a childish comment like – “if it really worked the car industry would be using it”. Do you see the car industry blowing their horn about using acetone?

I rest my case.

I suggest some of you folks get your behinds out of the lab, or wherever you hang out, and do some “practical application” work and stop looking like a bunch of idiots who are doing nothing but theorizing 24 hours a day.

Class dismissed!

By: Bradley

Bradley — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:22:24 +0000

I actually watched as my neighbor converted his 1998 doge van. It was simple. I just heard about this last night but think it is an awesome idea. Water is a resourse that is extremely prevelent and no chance of using it up. Even with all the gas being used, are we in danger of using up all the oil? NO. the Hydrogen is converted in to a vapor and injected right into the air breather of the car. It is simular to spraying starting fluid into the air breather when the car won’t start. The 1 quart jar lasts for almost a month so I don’t see ANY danger in using up oceans of water.

By: impresivus

impresivus — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:42:04 +0000

1. the only way such thing would work is that the hydrogen is superadditive ie. chemicaly enhances combustion proces of fuel mixture. i do not think that is the case.
2. books are expensive – smells of rat
3. i read just addvertising bit looking for technical glitches. the one think i found incorrect is that spiral rod produces more hydrogen than plates. efficiency of electrolysis depends on the surface of the imersed electrode, plate has greater.
4. the energy invested into production of hydrogen is small hence the quantity of hydrogen is also amall. it would be simplier to get needed hydrogen from small container. why electrolysys on site if we need such small quantities.
5. if that would work it would be worldwide sensation

heard above of good link – im going to read it. it is http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu08.asp#05-22-08 .

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:01:37 +0000

Free plans exsist. Look up Smack or Bob Boyce. I just got interested 6-15-08. My brother-in law bought the water4gas books.
We are gathering the parts to build units and try them.
Just reading the basics from the top competitors to water4gas and finding out that the onboard computer on your car is designed to give you poor gas mileage should be enough to tick people off. The real answer probably is hacking the on board computer. Toyota pulled some Echo’s a couple of years ago because they were getting 100 mph. Just like the “Who killed the electric car”story.
Are we stupid to try? Nah. I look at most of the comments on your board and see the reason we will pay whatever Big oil tells us. Every body wants to talk but, very few will actually do anything.
What will it cost us to check it out? A couple of hundred dollars in the long run. That is pretty cheap. I see a lot of school kids carrying cell phones and ipods that cost much more than this technology. Gamers I work with spend more on one game than a ready made unit is selling for.
Perhaps it would work just enough to inspire one person or group out there to make a massive improvement or break off with an completely new technology ( hack the on board computer).
Just negative talking and saying it will never work is what 95% of people have always done. This includes Discovering the Americas, the Telephone, manned flight, computers, Real Estate,Space exploration,
We can do something if we try. Otherwise if you keep doing what you are doing now you will continue to have what you have now. Nothing but, an opinion.

By: treewrestler

treewrestler — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:49:22 +0000

Dont get ripped off, electrolysis does work, but with an efficiancy of only 50-70% (converting electrical power to H2 and O2 chemical power). You would be better off hooking up a small electric motor to your drive train, then you would only loose 20% through power transfer from your alternator, or better yet , DONT add extra drag on your electrical system to begin with. I work at a plant that makes hypo-chlorite through electrolysis, the main by-product being H2, our generators run on 1275AMPs minnimum.

By: Alex

Alex — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:58:39 +0000

I live in Los Angeles and see people abuse their cars destroying any kind of decent gas mileage out of them they may get. About 30 or so years ago there was an item on one of the news stations on TV. It was about a mechanic in Santa Monica who was converting regular gas engines to a hybrid electric-gasoline. The new power set-up was mostly electric. That is, he got a large electric motor that ran the car and had a small gasoline engine that ran an alternator that charged a battery and the battery ran the electric motor. He got freeway speeds and over 200 miles to the gallon. I don’t understand why the auto manufacturers don’t work with a system like this. It’s simple and efficient. But then, the auto manufacturers don’t want to rain on the oil company’s parade by using power systems that don’t include some oil-based energy source.

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By: wuttamug

wuttamug — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:40:52 +0000

Okay: Bottom line. Dunnit. Didn’t work (2 tankfuls run through, no difference in driving habits, etc.). I *MIGHT* have gotten 1 mpg better but we’re talking decimal points and eye-droppersful of gas here. Engine temp increased avg of 15 degrees and exhaust started to smell different which suggests ??? chemical byproducts.

Did I take it out? Stop me in the street and ask me!

By: Bobby

Bobby — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:37:20 +0000

The 1st law of Thermodynamics [1] says: Energy is neither destroyed or created. Basically that means that the energy applied to the water to perform the hydrolysis will be (at most) equal to the eventual energy released in the hydrogen/oxygen gas (HHO). So your alternator must work harder in order to generate the needed power. This in-turn obviously reduces your vehicles fuel efficiency. HHO creation and consumption by itself, according to the most basic laws of physics, cannot possibly create a more fuel efficient car. It should actually make your car less efficient.

BUT, the part I am still struggling with and the issue that might actually make this legit is that the flash point of HHO is much less than that of gasoline vapor. HHO will ignite in the combustion chamber BEFORE the gasoline. Theoretically, this could mean that the HHO could act as an accelerant [2] for the fuel that is burned in the engine cylinder. This is important because a large amount (citation?) of exhaust pollution is actually unburned or partially burned fuel. You’re basically just pouring that pricey$$ unused gasoline out the tail pipe.

So my hypothesis is (no experimenting or anything) that the HHO acts as an accelerant and causes a more complete/clean/powerful burn in the combustion chamber. That translates to more horsepower and less pollution.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamics
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerant

By: Stephan Miller

Stephan Miller — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:17:02 +0000

I’ve done a little bit of reading on the subject. It seems that the technology itself is valid. In fact, adding hydrogen gas to your intake gases can reduce gas consumption at idle by up to 50%. And the fact that it takes energy to produce the hydrogen doesn’t diminish the energy savings.
That, in itself beats the Prius, which you have to own for 30 years to actually save any energy. The energy to product the battery is more than the savings in gasoline over those 30 years.
So it comes down to the question of whether a Mason jar with explosive gas should be kept in your car and whether you can actually rig together something and still keep it efficient.

By: Derek

Derek — Fri, 30 May 2008 01:50:26 +0000

Very nice I wish it was like that.

By: bleedingpack

bleedingpack — Fri, 30 May 2008 00:45:07 +0000

Alternative fuel will never take off unless the auto companies start supporting it more