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By: Robert Mayer

Robert Mayer — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:32:04 +0000

I couldn’t agree with Chris more! Anybody that disagree’s… your all blind.

By: craig

craig — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:51:49 +0000

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» Blog Archive » Which corporation has long ties to terrorism? … — Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:01:50 +0000

[...] 911 In Plane Site ~ Chris Pirillo … REAL evidence being presented here and to brush it aside as the usual ” … of official endorsement of state terrorism upon innocent American civilians. … [...]

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:10:11 +0000

Never, ever, ever could America trust its government. So to those who blindly follow the government, fuck you. I'm going to burn a flag.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 03:28:18 +0000

I watched some of the movie and couldn't believe the sheer audacity of the claims being made. If this was true (and I think I speak for common sense when I say it isn't) then believe me when I say one of the non-american Intelligence agencies in this world would've caught a whiff of it (they're not that dumb). We're not only talking about the killing of American Citizens here, we're talking about all different nationalities. And I suppose that Osama Bin Laden is some fictional character that they invented to take the blame for this, and that they invented him years ago.
No matter the supposed 'gains' that such a conspiracy would bring its government, if it did actually happen, and the people found out, there would be a revolution, and the governments heads' would be on spikes in DC. No one is that dumb.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:36:09 +0000

Have any of u seen this film before blabbing off at Chris… I very much doubt it……….

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:40:11 +0000

If Sept.11th was a conspiracy, the obvious question to start with is why terror would be manufactured? Several valid speculations are generally offered as an answer (which we shall examine later). Known as The Hegelian Dialectic (Problem, Reaction, Solution),this approach makes numerous debuts in both ancient and modern history. There is the instance of Nero burning Rome (64 A.D) and blaming it on the increasingly popular Christians, thus opening the doors for their persecution. Hitler had his parliament burnt by his own troopers to manufacture public consent for a total crackdown on the communists (1933). Nasser managed to consolidate his power after his clamp down on the Muslim Brotherhood.His accusation of the Brotherhood attempting to assassinate him is questionable. Then there is the 1954 bombing of American facilities in Egypt by an Israeli spy ring, a plot which failed exposing the Israelis.As recent as 1999, Russian President Vladimir PutinÂ’s Federal Security Bureau agents were arrested by Moscow police on three separate incidents of bombing apartment buildings to frame the Chechens. During one history class, I remember a student who quipped how the latest conspiracy theory claims that Americans conducted Sept. 11th .The class had a good laugh at the sheer absurdity of Americans bringing disaster upon themselves. If we suppose those officially accused Â“are just part of a conspiracyÂ�? then the finger automatically point towards Americans. This is another fallacy which arises from the Â“whoÂ�? question and one must remember that the term Â“AmericansÂ�? is very abstract and vague. However, if we look into the history, we will observe that the Hegelian dialectic has a unique culture of its own in the American military. In 1898, The USS Maine was sunk in Havana harbour by a suspicious explosion whose source is still a mystery. But the blame fell on the Spanish and the Spanish American war ensued. It has now been established that Roosevelt and some of the Navy top brass had Admiral YamamotoÂ’s communiquÃ© of the impending 1941 attack on Pearl Harbour 12 days in advance, thanks to the American code breaking breakthroughs (A possible motive is RooseveltÂ’s close relationship with racial theorist Madison Grant, which made him sympathise with battered Russia). Later in 1964, The USS Maddox providing electronic surveillance for South Vietnamese commandoes while deep in North Vietnamese waters encountered a close call with North Vietnamese torpedo boats in The Gulf of Tonkin. The ship escaped but two days later, it was again assigned to the same region where it sent reports of Â“being attackedÂ�? even though there was no damage/casualty whatsoever.Even though its still unclear what the reports really meant, President Johnson got the excuse he needed to plunge America into the Vietnam War while indirectly aiding Israel.
In America, the Northwoods document remains the most glaring example of official endorsement of state terrorism upon innocent American civilians. Operation Northwoods was the brainchild of Chairman Of Joint Chief Of Staff (The highest military post in USA) General Lemnitzer and his extreme right wing military chiefs, still licking their wounds from the failed Bay Of Pigs Invasion. Though they were never meant for public viewing, some of them were not destroyed and those have been obtained by James Bamford for his bestseller, Body of Secrets after 40 years. The Lemnitzer signed documents were sent to KennedyÂ’s Secretary of defence Robert McNamara in 1962, from where they would be rejected, only to be bounced back by Lemnitzer with more outrageous proposals than before. Among the various proposals for finding a pretext of war with Cuba were to exploit the possibility of an accident involving first US astronaut John GlennÂ’s voyage and link it to Cuban Â“electronic interferenceÂ�?, staging attacks on the American base in Guantanamo Bay, blowing up a US ship in the harbour and manufacturing evidence of a Cuban attack, developing a Â“terror campaignÂ�? involving Cuban exiles in Miami and Washington involving Â“exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spotsÂ�?, launching fake Cuban military activity against other Caribbean nations, harassing Cuban civilian ships and aircraft, staging the shooting down of an American chartered civilian plane by Cubans and forging the downing of an American military aircraft.There is also emphasis on how Â“Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indignation.Â�?which echoes eerily with the events of Sept.11th. KennedyÂ’s lack of amusement in military adventures (including Vietnam) and his attempts to dissolve the CIA and The Federal Reserve are considered the main factors in his assassination, but again, thatÂ’s another conspiracy in itself. Despite the fact that the very conception of Operation Northwoods amounted to treason, the eagerness with which the producers attempted to conduct it shifts the tragedy of Sept. 11th into a new paradigm. While we were gaping at the destruction, terror and loss of human life, it is fairly possible that some were seeing it as losing mainly Â“non-military personnelÂ�? and Â“structuresÂ�? for a bigger Â“strategic gainÂ�? as opposed to the laughable idea of bringing death and destruction to ones own countrymen only to harm them.
Without making any assertions from the preceding discussion, we move into the Â“prior warningÂ�? controversy. It has been confirmed that definite prior warnings were given to the United States by Britain, Egypt, France, Germany, Argentina, Jordan and Russia.But whatÂ’s most intriguing is that even the accused Taliban got a whiff that something was up, and an aid to the former Taliban foreign minister has revealed to the BBC (Sept.2002) that he approached both the American consulate in Pakistan and the United Nations. American officials have confirmed it, but say they didnÂ’t take it seriously. Then we have claims and counterclaims of numerous American officials, even Congressmen who claimed some received warnings from higher levels not to fly on Sept.11. As for the prime accused, Osama Binladen, one has to bear in mind that he had little privacy running Al Qaeda, since he used electronic communication which enabled eavesdropping. What remains largely overshadowed is the eavesdropping capability of the United States. The Highly secretive National Security agency (NSA) is primarily associated with electronic eavesdropping. Although its headquarters Crypto City is not found on any map, it would be one of the largest municipalities in Maryland with an electrical consumption equalling that of Annapolis and employing more personnel than the FBI and CIA combined while its four billion dollar budget puts it in league with industry giants like the top 50 of fortune 500 companies e.g. Hewlett Packard. The headquarters is home to some of the most powerful thinking machines on the planet and houses more classified material than the CIA, the Pentagon, the FBI and the State Department combined together. Eavesdropping conducted from its own satellites on fax, email and telephone to intelligence collected from eavesdropping allies are all brought together by a software package codenamed Echelon in which a cleared NSA operative can type his query (keyword, telephone number) and get results search engine style. Since most digital and analogue communications go through INTELSAT satellites which are the main targets of eavesdropping, virtually all phone fax or email communication (including American) are susceptible to NSA eavesdropping ; and so are Al Qaeda and Binladen. James BamfordÂ’s Body Of Secrets was first published in May 2001 carried an eerie paragraph detailing electronic surveillance on Binladen :
According to information obtained for Body Of Secrets, NSA regularly listens to unencrypted calls from suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden, in hiding inAfghanistan. Bin Laden uses a portable INMARSAT phone that transmits and receives calls over spacecraftÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Bin Laden is aware that the United States can eavesdrop on his communications, but does not seem to care. To impress cleared visitors, NSA analysts occasionally play audiotapes of Bin Laden talking to his mother over an INMARSAT connection
With the intelligence to pinpoint Binladen (and probably tonnes of never to be seen classified intelligence) a valid question can be asked as exactly what intelligence the NSA had and why wait till Sept. 11th? Again, was Binladen really involved or did he carry out his plans while circumventing the electronic surveillance net he was caught in? NSA director Michael V. Hayden would later state that they had more than 30 attack warnings but these were non-specific.# Apparently, NSA wasnÂ’t the only organisation trying to keep the accused Binladen alive till Sept.11th. In 1998, the head of Saudi intelligence, Prince Faisal bin Turki travelled to Kandahar to negotiate a deal with Mullah Umar to hand over Binladen to the Saudi Government in June 1998 but the Taliban lost interest in the deal after US cruise missiles hit Afghanistan in August 1998 (in Â“retaliationÂ�? for the attacks on US embassies in Africa).Similarly, in 1996, Sudan agreed to hand over Binladen along with 300 Al Qaeda and an intelligence database, but the offers were repeatedly spurned. Following the 1998 US embassy bombings, the Sudanese proposed the extradition of two suspects to the FBI, but ClintonÂ’s secretary of State Madeleine Albright rejected it and just three days later, US cruise missiles blasted away SudanÂ’s only pharmaceutical plant in Â“response to the embassy bombingsÂ�?. In August 2001, an unmanned spy plane (capable of being fitted with arms) was delivering real-time live footage of Osama Binladen himself but the project was later called off.On the corporate front, companies to be effected by the tragedy witnessed an frantic selling of their stocks which was obviously driven by some foreknowledge. For example, on 6th and 7th Sept., the ratio of shares sold to those bought (put call options) for United Airlines stock was 12:1 instead of the normal 1:1. Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, both housed in the World Trade Centre also had highly unusual put/call ratios.
Then there is Binladen family and the well placed Saudi Binladen Group, specializing mainly in construction and with links to Bush via the defunct BCCI, Halliburton and one of the biggest defence contractors on the planet, the Carlyle Group. In these upper echelons of the industrial elite, the intertwineing and incestuous relationships between intelligence agencies and big business anything can happen. Bush personally arranges the hurried spiriting away of the remaining Binladen family members who were present in the US in the hours after the 9/11 attacks. What was Bush covering up. What didn't he want us to discover regarding his relationship with Binladen? FBI investigators are told to Â“back offÂ�? on US based Saudis classified under national security(W199-EYE).
One business relationship of the Bush administration which does intertwine with the timeline of Sept.11th is Enron. Ron Callari of The Albion Monitor makes a point of starting with EnronÂ’s India deal(1992) to find the connection. Enron made a $3 billion investment in Dabhol, a company owned 65% by Enron while Bechtel, GE and The Indian Government owned the rest in what was the single biggest foreign investment in the history of India projected to fulfill 1/5 of IndiaÂ’s energy needs. It should be noted that Enron had a reputation for getting contracts in mainly Latin Third World countries using Â“strong arm tacticsÂ�?. Even in California, Enron indirectly floated the idea of deregulation of the energy industry, and once enacted, the energy bills skyrocketed. Returning to the India, the problem faced by Enron was that its electricity was 700% higher than local sources. Although Enron was originally expected to create energy with indigenous resources, they had a more Grand scheme of supplying cheap energy to India via Liquefied Natural Gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea and Uzbekistan. However, India was merely a secondary goal merely to finance the project of creating a pipeline terminal in Bombay. Once the gas was flowing, tankers from Korea and Japan could also fill up for cheap LNG. In the future, a lot more than LNG would flow through the pipelines. Enron had even contracted Uzbekistan to explore its oilfields in 1996 while Bechtel and GE settled for Turkmenistan. Their pipeline would eventually link up with the UNOCAL pipeline planned across Afghanistan (the only other option was China and Iran where Enron would not have much luck bargaining, and the pipeline would be much longer too) while Enron took over an existing Indian pipeline linking Bombay and New Delhi and proposed to link it with Multan (Pakistan) where the proposed Unocal pipeline would connect. Although it would be more convenient for Enron to settle for the Pakistani seaport of Gwadar, Enron could finance its project only by selling energy mainly to power hungry Bombay and the relative unrest in Pakistan seems to have made it an unlikely choice. The only problem with the plan was the Taliban in Afghanistan, who were proving to be difficult clients for UNOCAL.The Taliban was invited to their Houston headquarters in 1997 where they dined at the VPÂ’s home but after the 1998 attack on Â“Al QaedaÂ�? in Afghanistan by US missiles, UNOCAL publicly withdrew from the project. With the Bush administration, the Taliban were no longer taboo and the Taliban was awarded $43 million for its Â“war on drugsÂ�? and an advisor to Mullah Omar met with CIA officials in Washington. It has now been revealed the Vice President Dick Cheney lead a secret Â“Energy Task ForceÂ�? which included top Enron officials and shareholders (including Rumsfield) to make things better for EnronÂ’s India project. Later a Â“Dabhol Working GroupÂ�? would follow. However, apart from the Afghan connection, a new problem surfaced for Enron. It is important to note that despite corruption and bribery at the highest levels, there is relative democracy in India. The opposition party started demanding the contract with Enron be scrapped since the prospects of cheap energy were no where on the horizon and even if the pipeline were completed, Enron was asking for too much. In June 2001, the Maharashtra Government decided to call off the deal with Enron and look elsewhere for its energy needs. The result: Enron stuck with near $3 billion worth of unfinished infrastructure with no local takers, and with no pipeline, no international customers either. The same month, Cheney tried to get $64 million compensation for Enron from India by meeting with Indian opposition leader Sonia Gandhi in Washington and later met with the external affairs minister. Bush makes efforts on his part with the Indian Prime Minister but later signs Executive order 13233 blocking access to all Presidential papers. Later, the Bush administration would defend its moves claiming that Enron was insured by a Government agency and therefore their concern. This sounds rather lame considering the fact that Clinton asked his advisor to Â“monitorÂ�? the Enron-Dabhol business and in the light of the recent Â“Bush-Lay lettersÂ“, there was clearly more going on. Things look desperate for the whole Enron corporation unless the pipeline is linked for international customers. A last meeting took place between the Taliban and US diplomats in Islamabad but no deal was reached since the Taliban asked for access to the oil flowing in the proposed pipeline rather than just securing its route (August 2001) and later, a French book describes the US officials using phrases as Â“a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombsÂ�? during the meeting. Enron would now seek $5 billion from India and resorts to using US government pressure but with no avail. After Sept.11th and the ousting of the Taliban, former UNOCAL consultant, Hamid Karzai was appointed as interim leader and another UNOCAL consultant Zalmay Khalilzad later became special envoy to Afghanistan. On December 2nd 2001, Enron filed for bankruptcy, the biggest bankruptcy in history after WorldCom. Now even if one is to attempt a link between Sept. 11th and the following events in Afghanistan, its hard to explain why, after such official sacrifices, Enron collapsed. From what I can say, the prospect of a pipeline across Afghanistan was realistic only in stability offered by the Taliban. This stability was uncharacteristic with the previous warlord history of Afghanistan and succeeded only by the religious appeal of the Taliban. In their absence, Afghanistan regressed back to its feudal society and it didnÂ’t take long for the pipeline planners that securing the pipeline across the territories of several warlords was totally improbable. This was totally unforeseen and unexpected (Afghanistan is not Argentina). It was time to abandon ship, but considering EnronÂ’s legacy of conviviality, one can assume all assets which could be transferred elsewhere were transferred and although Enron officials were charged, the people behind Enron still exist, and so does their clout with President Bush. This theory can explain the sudden shift towards Iraq while abandoning Afghanistan . On Sept. 13th 2001, Bush was quoted as saying Â“The most important thing is for us to find Osama Binladen. Its our number one priority and we will not rest untill we find him.Â�? and later on March 13th 2002 Â“I donÂ’t know where he is, I have no idea and I really donÂ’t care. Its not that important. Its not our priorityÂ�?. Apparently, with Afghanistan gone, Bush is attempting to pacify the energy merchants who got him into the Whitehouse ($50 million from Texas energy giants to BushÂ’s election campaign, $3.5 million from Enron, making it single biggest contributor) by offering Iraq as a consolation prize. It is clear he doesnÂ’t seek re-election as an objective and I would attribute this to the capability of the people behind Enron to destroy him if they desired. If the explosive Bush-Lay letters are what we got to see, there is a lot more we havenÂ’t seen.Incidentally, EnronÂ’s long-time partner, Bechtel is already raking contracts for Iraq. This would make more sense of the current war on Iraq. If an invasion of Iraq was indeed part of the original plan, we would certainly see Â“IraqisÂ�? involved in the Sept. 11th attack from the beginning, rather than a hasty attempt to connect them. Instead, only Saudi Arabia (oil) and Pakistan (nuclear weapons) second Afghanistan in their role in the attack. And both have only been spared by their unforeseen total complacency to the US.
Then there is the globalist /elitist/ illuminati connection. New evidence links the notorious elitist group of Rothschild to the backing of Karl Marx and his creation of communism. Even though the elitist playground of the former Soviet Union has collapsed, there had always been dedicated groups and individuals who tried to unsuccessfully import Soviet communism into America, in which the elitists would not have to compete with other capitalists or religious/ political movements for control and influence. Even though there is no longer a transatlantic Â“red menaceÂ�? and labour altruism sounds more like a broken record, the aftermath of Sept. 11th sees the advent of sweeping national and political changes which would better characterize communism. For the first time we are hearing words and phrases like shadow government, FEMA camps, torture, propaganda warfare, mass arrests, TIPS, Total Information Awareness, tracking chips, National ID cards and of course, the black helicopters. The latter refers to totally unnecessary combat exercises in civilian areas using black helicopters (Witnessed in Texas).As per communism, it is necessary to condition people to authoritarian measures before completely imposing it. The elitist group, The Bilderbergs own the Reuters news agency, which provided significant coverage of Sept.11th and despite the huge potential, the mainstream press is not interested in exposing the Watergates of the Bush administration. In light of the preceding discussion, there is a definite connection between the elitists and Enron. EnronÂ’s legendary cooked books are considered to be the brainchild of a certain English Lord Wakeham on EnronÂ’s audit committee. Lord Wakeham also happens to be the head of NM Rothschild! Despite the investigations and charges against former Enron officials, Mr. Wakeham is still walking around, which leads to disturbing questions on the bankruptcy and the disappearance/transfer of assets. If we recall, the Rothschild family has always spearheaded the interests of Israel, from the Balfour declaration to the purchase of Suez canal shares. Apart from profit and control, the motivation behind Dabhol was clearly to punch a hole in the OPEC cartel, stripping the Arabs of their only bargaining tool in the Middle East conflict. According to partisan radio show host Alex Jones, Sept. 11th is simply part of a road to Soviet style elitist domination. There is no doubt that the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as Patriot Act 2 curtails liberties of Americans on a previously unimaginable scale. The New legislation will lead to arrests without warrants, unlimited government surveillance including access to all public and private records and more death penalties. Chomsky points out how the word Â“crimeÂ�? which is ultimately associated with courts of law is being substituted with the words like Â“warÂ�? and Â“terrorismÂ�? whose arbitrary nature gives more unaccountable leverage to the government. In 1997, former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brezinski published his book The Grand Chessboard -American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives. In what appears to be a script of the current US war on Afghanistan, he states how Â“America is the only global powerÂ�? and how Eurasia being Â“Â…the globeÂ’s central arenaÂ�? is important for American primacy. Being more specific, he explains how in the light of increasing energy demands large investments in the Caspian sea area would bring more Â“stabilityÂ�? and Â“Â….whoever either controls or dominates access to the region is the one most likely to win the geopolitical and economic prizeÂ�?.He continues who this makes the pipeline issue Â“Â…central to the future of the Caspian Sea basinÂ�? which has reserves of natural gas and oil which Â“Â…dwarf those of Kuwait, the Gulf of Mexico, or the North SeaÂ�?.However, he slyly drops an eerie reference to Pearl harbour which echoes in Sept.11th : Â“The attitude of the American public toward the external projection of American power has been much more ambivalent. The public supported AmericaÂ’s engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl HarbourÂ“. Furthermore, because of popular resistance to US military expansionism, his ambitious Central Asian strategy could not be implemented Â“except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threatÂ�?.Pipelines to the Caspian Sea found their way even into the storyline of the 1999 James Bond flick. Among other certified warmongers is Â“The Project For The New American CenturyÂ�? whose logic for more war reminds one of the predicament of Rudolf Hess. When British intelligence discovered the superstitious side of this high ranking Nazi general, they set him up with one of their astrologers who convinced him that if he flew off to Britain on a peace mission on a certain period of astrologic planetary conjunction, he would be awarded a place in history. He fell for the ploy only to be arrested on arriving to Britain and never to be released from jail. PNAC does not use astrology to motivate Americans for war but rather employs the use of metaphorical phrases like Â“Pax AmericanaÂ�? and Â“We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challengeÂ�?. The phrase Â“New American CenturyÂ�? was the rambling of LIFE editor Henry Luce in a 1940Â’s editorial at the eve of WW2, has been reincarnated by PNAC and Luce himself has been raised from the dead as a Â“VisionaryÂ“. What makes this group influential is that its founding members form BushÂ’s inner core and war with Afghanistan and now Iraq is a godsend. Among the other things they seek is confrontation with China over Taiwan. Not far behind their heels is the Council of foreign Relations who under Bush Sr. acquainted us with the presently unfolding ominous Â“New World OrderÂ�?.
One aspect of Sept.11 which never escapes attention is Israeli involvement. However, Israeli involvement with the World trade Centre starts back in 1993, during which an attempt to blow up the World Trade Centre sending one tower crashing into the other fails due to a misfired blast which only kills 6 people. One later convicted accomplice of the accused is suspected of being an Israeli mole.Interestingly, the second accomplice is an FBI mole who testifies alerting the FBI of the preparation of explosives. Instead of sending in a SWAT team to arrest all involved, FBI convinces Emad Salem that Â“They would substitute the explosives with a harmless powderÂ�? but even that plan is called off and the bombing occurs. It appears Salem has the vehicle parked 10 feet away from the support column which averts the catastrophe.Salem was so disoriented by the FBI that he secretly recorded the head of FBI in New York ordering him to let the bombing take place (despite his being paid $1 million by them) and in addition, Government wiretaps accidentally picked up these orders too. Israeli spies posing as Â“art studentsÂ�? are caught spying on Drug Enforcement Agency offices and extremely sensitive military installations. Their locations coincide with those of the hijackers. The Israeli communications company Odigo, claims its employees received advanced warnings of the Sept. 11th attacks 2 hours in advance. Odigo later claims it cannot trace back the sender. It is not clear whether these warnings were used to evacuate Jews/Israelis. On the same day, 5 Israelis were arrested for insensitive behaviour involving videotaping and dancing with the burning towers in the background. Their van reveals cash, passports and box cutters. The van is traced to Urban moving systems but the company later vanishes. Later Israelis claim that they were part of an Israeli surveillance unit. On Sept. 14th 2001, an Israeli special operations unit, Seyarat Matkal developed contingency plans with American forces to attack Pakistani nuclear installations in the event of non-compliance. Meanwhile the Â“art studentsÂ�? spy ring performs very sloppily resulting in at least 60 being arrested after Sept.11th, which makes many believe they were smoke screen for a bigger operation. When Carl Cameroon of fox News interviews an investigator, heÂ’s told that Â“evidence linking these Israelis to Sept.11th is classifiedÂ�?, which means we will have to wait for a few decades for the archives to be opened. Though the Israeli Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem claimed to have received the names of 4000 Israelis missing in the World Trade Centre area and Bush claimed that 130 Israelis died in the attack, rumours start spreading that the Israelis/Jews gained advanced warning to manage a very low death toll. Jewish groups issue statements saying Â“hundreds were killedÂ�? but later, The Haaretz Sept.11th page reveals only 5 were killed, which is very low considering the presence of wall street in the World Trade centre where a number of Jewish /Israeli businesses operated.
The hijackers and their identities remains one of the most complex puzzles of Sept.11th. To start with, some suggest that just as in drones, remote flight control has been advanced to land hijacked planes safely on the ground while totally disabling the pilot. They point out that Lufthansa even discovered such a system on its American made planes and stripped them of their American computers. Since this theory doesnÂ’t seem very convincing for the time being, we may as well go with the official one.
1.American airlines Flight 11(Boston-Los Angeles/WTC North 8:45 AM)
1.Walid Ashehri, (alive)2.Wail Ashehri, 3. Abdul Aziz Al Omari,(alive) 4.Satam Al Suqami, 5.Mohammed Atta (provocative behaviour such as landing Cessna in wrong place and arguing with a loan officer for a crop dusting plane, seen in strip club, will has been found which asks for an Â“Islamic burialÂ�?, attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell/Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama)
2.United Airlines Flight 175(Boston-Los Angeles/WTC South 9:03 AM)
1.Saeed Alghamedi,(alive, trained at Pensacola Naval Air Station in Florida, gave base residency as address for car registration) 2. Ahmed Alhaznawi, 3.Ahmed Alnami,(alive, trained at Pensacola too) 4. Ziyyad Jarrah (double identity, doing flight training in USA and planning to marry Turkish girlfriend back in native Lebanon, remembered by family as jovial and non religious, disappears on Sept.11th , another Jarrah sighted in New York at different time)
3.American Airlines Flight 77(D.C -Los Angeles/Pentagon 9:43 AM)
1.Ahmed Alghamedi, 2. Hamza Alghamedi, 3.Marwan Alshehi, 4.Mohand Alshehri, 5.Fayez Ahmed Banihammaad
4. United Airlines Flight 93 (Newark-San Francisco/Crashes 10:00 AM) delayed
1.Khalid Almihdar, (alive, lived with FBI informant, seen at strip club) 2.Nawaf Alhazmi, (lived with FBI informant) 3.Salem Alhazmi,( alive, seen at strip club) 4.Hani Hanjour, 5.Majed Moqed
Saeed Shaikh, a Pakistani al Qaeda is initially set up as the moneyman. But he happens to have close ties with Pakistani Intelligence (ISI) Director Mahmoud Ahmed. On the morning of September 11, Lt. Gen. Mahmood was at a breakfast meeting at the Capitol with the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Senator Bob Graham (D) and Representative Porter Goss (R). In the days that followed, he met CIA director George Tenet, Richard Armitage and Colin Powell. FBI has confirmed that General Mahmoud had ordered $100,000 wired into AttaÂ’s account in early August through Saeed!When this becomes public, General Mahmoud is fired and Saeed Shaikh is sentenced to death in the Daniel Pearl murder. Was Saeed working for the CIA?
Even if we take the hijackers for granted, we come across treacherous communication lapses. The fighter planes are on an average scrambled after a 6-10 minute delay. NORAD is informed after an average of 10 minutes in the case of each flight. When the F-16s are in the air, they fly on an average speed of 600mph instead of their top speed of 1500mph. Planes from nearby bases were not scrambled because NORAD claimed it used planes only from its own defensive network. Meanwhile, the hijacked planes turn off their transponders and radio, freely flouting FAA regulations. According to FAA regulations, if a plane deviates by 15 degrees or two miles from that course, flight controllers are to sound an emergency. This was way beyond that. Then there is BushÂ’s controversial reaction to the news while at Booker elementary. Considering the terrorist attacks, he is not immediately escorted away. When he boards Air Force One, he flies unescorted with potential hijacked planes still in the skies. The next day, he is surrounded by security everywhere. George Bush claimed to have seen the first plane hit the World Trade Tower on TV before going into a school room to read to some children This is a strange story because there was no video of the first impact until a day later, Despite this enormous military and Intelligence failure, General Richard B. Myers is promoted.
Diverting our focus from the main parts of the event are the odds and ends which come from disparate corners of the event. For example, the Aljazeera video in which a Â“Pakistani Binladen (right photo)Â�? meets his chums and gloats about the killing he made claiming that even the hijackers did not know they were on a suicide mission whereas the FBI claims to have recovered religious suicide manuals, flight manuals and Korans left behind everywhere. Secondly, Binladen didnÂ’t immediately come to stage to take responsibility. When he did show up a few days later, it was more anti American rant than taking credit. Then there is John OÂ’ Neill, the FBIÂ’s New York chief of counter terrorism (see photo) who was sent to Yemen to examine Al Qaeda but claims he was repeatedly blocked by higher levels in the administration. He was assigned to a new job as head of security at the World Trade Centre and was killed on Sept.11th,the first day of his job.
Lastly, there is the World Trade centre demolitionÂ…..The speed at which the towers collapsed was almost equal to the speed of an object falling through air (9.7m/sec).It was as if they encountered no resistance whatsoever. In 10 seconds, the collapse was over.# Then there are those who scoff at the theory of heated jet fuel melting steel, claiming its impossible for jet fuel to create the temperatures of a blowtorch to melt 200,000 tonnes of steel. If it were true, welders would switch to jet fuel which is cheaper than acetylene.# Secondly there is Tower 7 (WTC 7) which was not even hit. But somehow, fire and debris razed it to the ground while leaving other buildings standing. No steel skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire in history. Visual evidence points towards a controlled demolition. According to firefighter Louie Cachhioli (51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.), Â“Â….We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struckÂ…Â…On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the buildingÂ…..Â�?# As such the debris of the World trade centre was buried at a Government restricted site and the scrap was sent to India and China.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:33:58 +0000

…In [Joint Chief's chair] Lemnitzer's view, the country would be far better off if the generals could take over. [JFK assassination legend has it some general presided over the fudgy JFK autopsy. --Mk]
For those military officers who were sitting on the fence, the Kennedy administration's botched Bay of Pigs invasion was the last straw. “The Bay of Pigs fiasco broke the dike,” said one report at the time. “President Kennedy was pilloried by the super patriots as a 'no-win' chief . . . The Far Right became a fount of proposals born of frustration and put forward in the name of anti-Communism. . . Active-duty commanders played host to anti-Communist seminars on their bases and attended or addressed Right-wing meetings elsewhere.”
Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge.
According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.
The idea may actually have originated with President Eisenhower in the last days of his administration. With the Cold War hotter than ever and the recent U-2 scandal fresh in the public's memory, the old general wanted to go out with a win. He wanted desperately to invade Cuba in the weeks leading up to Kennedy's inauguration; indeed, on January 3 he told Lemnitzer and other aides in his Cabinet Room that he would move against Castro before the inauguration if only the Cubans gave him a really good excuse. Then, with time growing short, Eisenhower floated an idea. If Castro failed to provide that excuse, perhaps, he said, the United States “could think of manufacturing something that would be generally acceptable.” What he was suggesting was a pretext a bombing, an attack, an act of sabotage carried out secretly against the United States by the United States. Its purpose would be to justify the launching of a war. It was a dangerous suggestion by a desperate president.
Although no such war took place, the idea was not lost on General Lemnitzer But he and his colleagues were frustrated by Kennedy's failure to authorize their plan, and angry that Castro had not provided an excuse to invade.
The final straw may have come during a White House meeting on February 26, 1962. Concerned that General Lansdale's various covert action plans under Operation Mongoose were simply becoming more outrageous and going nowhere, Robert Kennedy told him to drop all anti-Castro efforts. Instead, Lansdale was ordered to concentrate for the next three months strictly on gathering intelligence about Cuba. It was a humiliating defeat for Lansdale, a man more accustomed to praise than to scorn.
As the Kennedy brothers appeared to suddenly “go soft” on Castro, Lemnitzer could see his opportunity to invade Cuba quickly slipping away. The attempts to provoke the Cuban public to revolt seemed dead and Castro, unfortunately, appeared to have no inclination to launch any attacks against Americans or their property Lemnitzer and the other Chiefs knew there was only one option left that would ensure their war. They would have to trick the American public and world opinion into hating Cuba so much that they would not only go along, but would insist that he and his generals launch their war against Castro. “World opinion, and the United Nations forum,” said a secret JCS document, “should be favorably affected by developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere.”
Operation Northwoods called for a war in which many patriotic Americans and innocent Cubans would die senseless deaths, all to satisfy the egos of twisted generals back in Washington, safe in their taxpayer financed homes and limousines.
One idea seriously considered involved the launch of John Glenn, the first American to orbit the earth. On February 20,1962, Glenn was to lift off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, on his historic journey. The flight was to carry the banner of America's virtues of truth, freedom, and democracy into orbit high over the planet. But Lemnitzer and his Chiefs had a different idea. They proposed to Lansdale that, should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, “the objective is to provide irrevocable proof that . . . the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic.]”
This would be accomplished, Lemnitzer continued, “by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans.” Thus, as NASA prepared to send the first American into space, the Joint Chiefs of Staff were preparing to use John Glenn's possible death as a pretext to launch a war.
Glenn lifted into history without mishap, leaving Lemnitzer and the Chiefs to begin devising new plots which they suggested be carried out “within the time frame of the next few months.”
Among the actions recommended was “a series of well coordinated incidents to take place in and around” the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. This included dressing “friendly” Cubans in Cuban military uniforms and then have them “start riots near the main gate of the base. Others would pretend to be saboteurs inside the base. Ammunition would be blown up, fires started, aircraft sabotaged, mortars fired at the base with damage to installations.”
The suggested operations grew progressively more outrageous. Another called for an action similar to the infamous incident in February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba. Incited by the deadly blast, more than one million men volunteered for duty. Lemnitzer and his generals came up with a similar plan. “We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba,” they proposed; “casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.”
There seemed no limit to their fanaticism: “We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” they wrote. “The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States.
We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). . . . We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized.”
Bombings were proposed, false arrests, hijackings:
*”Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government.”
*”Advantage can be taken of the sensitivity of the Dominican [Republic] Air Force to intrusions within their national air space. 'Cuban' B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incendiaries could be found. This could be coupled with 'Cuban' messages to the Communist underground in the Dominican Republic and 'Cuban' shipments of arms which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach. Use of MiG type aircraft by U.S. pilots could provide additional provocation.”
*”Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft could appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the Government of Cuba.”
Among the most elaborate schemes was to “create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.”
Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs worked out a complex deception:
An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CJA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.
From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a “May Day” message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.
Finally, there was a plan to "make it appear that Communist Cuban MiGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack." It was a particularly believable operation given the decade of shoot downs that had just taken place.
In the final sentence of his letter to Secretary McNamara recommending the operations, Lemnitzer made a grab for even more power asking that the Joint Chiefs be placed in charge of carrying out Operation Northwoods and the invasion. "It is recommended," he wrote, "that this responsibility for both oven and covert military operations be assigned to the Joint Chiefs of Staff."
At 2:30 on the afternoon of Tuesday, March 13, 1962, Lemnitzer went over last-minute details of Operation Northwoods with his covert action chief, Brigadier General William H. Craig, and signed the document. He then went to a "special meeting" in McNamara's office. An hour later he met with Kennedy's military representative, General Maxwell Taylor. What happened during those meetings is unknown. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer that there was virtually no possibility that the U.S. would ever use overt military force in Cuba.
Undeterred, Lemnitzer and the Chiefs persisted, virtually to the point of demanding that they be given authority to invade and take over Cuba. About a month after submitting Operation Northwoods, they met the "tank," as the JCS conference room was called, and agreed on the wording of a tough memorandum to McNamara. "The Joint Chiefs of Staff believe that the Cuban problem must be solved in the near future," they wrote. "Further, they see no prospect of early success in overthrowing the present communist regime either as a result of internal uprising or external political, economic or psychological pressures. Accordingly they believe that military intervention by the United States will be required to overthrow the present communist regime."
Lemnitzer was virtually rabid in his hatred of Communism in general and Castro in particular "The Joint Chiefs of Staff believe that the United States can undertake military intervention in Cuba without risk of general war" he continued. "They also believe that the intervention can be accomplished rapidly enough to minimize communist opportunities for solicitation of UN action." However; what Lemnitzer was suggesting was not freeing the Cuban people, who were largely in support of Castro, but imprisoning them in a U.S. military-controlled police state. "Forces would assure rapid essential military control of Cuba," he wrote. "Continued police action would be required."
Concluding, Lemnitzer did not mince words: "[T]he Joint Chiefs of Staff recommend that a national policy of early military intervention in Cuba be adopted by the United States. They also recommend that such intervention be undertaken as soon as possible and preferably before the release of National Guard and Reserve forces presently on active duty.”
By then McNamara had virtually no confidence in his military chief and was rejecting nearly every proposal the general sent to him. The rejections became so routine, said one of Lemnitzer's former staff officers, that the staffer told the general that the situation was putting the military in an “embarrassing rut.” But Lemnitzer replied, “I am the senior military office–it's my job to state what I believe and it's his [McNamara's] job to approve or disapprove.” “McNamara's arrogance was astonishing,” said Lemnitzer's aide, who knew nothing of Operation Northwoods. “He gave General Lemnitzer very short shrift and treated him like a schoolboy. The general almost stood at attention when he came into the room. Everything was 'Yes, sir' and 'No, sir.'
Within months, Lemnitzer was denied a second term as JCS chairman and transferred to Europe as chief of NATO. Years later President Gerald Ford appointed Lemnitzer, a darling of the Republican right, to the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. Lemnitzer's Cuba chief, Brigadier General Craig, was also transferred. Promoted to major general, he spent three years as chief of the Army Security Agency, NSA's military arm.
Because of the secrecy and illegality of Operation Northwoods, all details remained hidden for forty years. Lemnitzer may have thought that all copies of the relevant documents had been destroyed; he was not one to leave compromising material lying around. Following the Bay of Pigs debacle, for example, he ordered Brigadier General David W Gray, Craig's predecessor as chief of the Cuba project within the JCS, to destroy all his notes concerning Joint Chiefs actions and discussions during that period. Gray's meticulous notes were the only detailed official records of what happened within the JCS during that time. According to Gray, Lemnitzer feared a congressional investigation and therefore wanted any incriminating evidence destroyed.
With the evidence destroyed, Lemnitzer felt free to lie to Congress. When asked, during secret hearings before a Senate committee, if he knew of any Pentagon plans for a direct invasion of Cuba he said he did not. Yet detailed JCS invasion plans had been drawn up even before Kennedy was inaugurated. And additional plans had been developed since. The consummate planner and man of details also became evasive, suddenly encountering great difficulty in recalling key aspects of the operation, as if he had been out of the country during the period. It was a sorry spectacle. Senator Gore called for Lemnitzer to be fired. “We need a shake up of the Joint Chiefs of Staff” he said. “We direly need a new chairman, as well as new members.” No one had any idea of Operation Northwoods.
Because so many documents were destroyed, it is difficult to determine how many senior officials were aware of Operation Northwoods. As has been described, the document was signed and fully approved by Lemnitzer and the rest of the Joint Chiefs and addressed to the Secretary of Defense for his signature. Whether it went beyond McNamara to the president and the attorney general is not known.
Even after Lemnitzer lost his job, the Joint Chiefs kept planning “pretext” operations at least into 1963. Among their proposals was a deliberately create a war between Cuba and any of a number of .n American neighbors. This would give the United States military an excuse to come in on the side of Cuba's adversary and get rid of “A contrived 'Cuban' attack on an OAS [Organization of Americas] member could be set up,” said one proposal, “and the attacked state could be urged to 'take measures of self-defense and request ice from the U.S. and OAS; the U.S. could almost certainly obtain necessary two-thirds support among OAS members for collective action against Cuba.”
Among the nations they suggested that the United States secretly were Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. Both were members of the Commonwealth; thus, by secretly attacking them and then blaming Cuba, the United States could lure England into the war Castro. The report noted, “Any of the contrived situations de above are inherently, extremely risky in our democratic system in which security can be maintained, after the fact, with very great difficulty. If the decision should be made to set up a contrived situation it be one in which participation by U.S. personnel is limited only to the most highly trusted covert personnel. This suggests the infeasibility of the use of military units for any aspect of the contrived situation.”
The report even suggested secretly paying someone in the Castro government to attack the United States: “The only area remaining for ration then would be to bribe one of Castro's subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on [the U.S. naval base at] Guantanamo.” The act suggested–bribing a foreign nation to launch a violent attack American military installation–was treason.
In May 1963, Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul H. Nitze sent a the White House proposing “a possible scenario whereby an attack on a United States reconnaissance aircraft could be exploited toward the end of effecting the removal of the Castro regime.” In the event Cuba attacked a U-2, the plan proposed sending in additional American pilots, this time on dangerous, unnecessary low-level reconnaissance missions with the expectation that they would also be shot down, thus provoking a war “[T]he U.S. could undertake various measures designed to stimulate the Cubans to provoke a new incident,” said the plan. Nitze, however, did not volunteer to be one of the pilots.
One idea involved sending fighters across the island on “harassing reconnaissance” and “show-off” missions “flaunting our freedom of action, hoping to stir the Cuban military to action.” “Thus,” said the plan, “depending above all on whether the Cubans were or could be made to be trigger-happy, the development of the initial downing of a reconnaissance plane could lead at best to the elimination of Castro, perhaps to the removal of Soviet troops and the installation of ground inspection in Cuba, or at the least to our demonstration of firmness on reconnaissance.” About a month later, a low-level flight was made across Cuba, but unfortunately for the Pentagon, instead of bullets it produced only a protest.
Lemnitzer was a dangerous-perhaps even unbalanced-right-wing extremist in an extraordinarily sensitive position during a critical period. But Operation Northwoods also had the support of every single member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and even senior Pentagon official Paul Nitze argued in favor of provoking a phony war with Cuba. The fact that the most senior members of all the services and the Pentagon could be so out of touch with reality and the meaning of democracy would be hidden for four decades.
In retrospect, the documents offer new insight into the thinking of the military's star-studded leadership. Although they never succeeded in launching America into a phony war with Cuba, they may have done so with Vietnam. More than 50,000 Americans and more than 2 million Vietnamese were eventually killed in that war.
It has long been suspected that the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident-the spark that led to America's long war in Vietnam-was largely staged or provoked by U.S. officials in order to build up congressional and public support for American involvement. Over the years, serious questions have been raised about the alleged attack by North Vietnamese patrol boats on two American destroyers in the Gulf But defenders of the Pentagon have always denied such charges, arguing that senior officials would never engage in such deceit.
Now, however, in light of the Operation Northwoods documents, it at deceiving the public and trumping up wars for Americans to fight and die in was standard, approved policy at the highest levels of the Pentagon. In fact, the Gulf of Tonkin seems right out of the Operation Northwoods playbook: “We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba . . . casualty lists in U.S. newspapers cause a helpful wave of indignation.” One need only replace “Guantanamo Bay” with “Tonkin Gulf,” and “Cuba” with “North Vietnam” and the Gulf of Tonkin incident may or may not have been stage-managed, but the senior Pentagon leadership at the time was clearly capable of such deceit.
Book epigram:
“The public has a duty to watch its Government closely and keep it on the right track.” –Lieutenant Gen. Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director, NSA, _NSA Newsletter_, June 1997

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:29:26 +0000

Don't think our government is
up to killing it's own people?
…northwoods documents!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:56:35 +0000

The biggest lies are the easiest to tell and the most readily accepted.
Anyone who believes the government is telling the whole story about 9/11 is incredibly naive. We'll never know the truth, but this video shows some damning evidence and asks some very pointed questions that have never been satisfactorily answered. One also has to wonder how at least 7 of the identified terrorists are alive and living in different parts of the world (as reported by the BBC), had no involvement in 9/11, yet the FBI has done nothing to pursue this discrepancy.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:47:30 +0000

“Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act.”
— George Orwell

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Sep 2004 06:08:34 +0000

The problem with you Americans is that you are too patriotic. No matter how bad things your government does (like war in Iraq, are things better there now really?), you always stand by your country and think it's the right way to do things.
How about J. Edgar Hoover? Americans back then believed in him like there was no Mafia in the US because he said so. The guy was a sick freak and had everybody by their balls. Still people in general thought he was a great man, just because he was the leader of FBI. After his death truths (some of them) came out about his way of leadership. I'm asking, how much time will it take to unreveal the lies of the Bush government?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:56:58 +0000

I've always felt a bit uneasy about some aspects of things that have happened, but believe in our leaders in America. After actually seeing this documentary and then looking at real media tapes from the library, there is much more to all this. People remember images from the Pentagon. I remember smoke and explosion frames but a plane image was never in any of them. Prominent organizations from Japan and Spain have just recently shown studies that something else is going on. Even Boeing's own specs indicate it was not a passenger plane in size ratios and the maneuver that was made wasn't possible with onboard commercial computer systems. It wouldn't be allowed without a procedure, basically a reboot, being done on the ground before take-off. There is too much to question on the facts. People who don't view something or just yell do not do anyone any good…..Why were hundreds of neighborhood camers taken away within 15 minutes of 9-11 incidents and never to be seen again. Why does golfer Payne Stewart's plane get military attention within minutes of going off course and several large jets head to prominent American centers without reaction. And whatever happened to all the tons of gold that was under the trade center. It was never found and gold wouldn't change chemical structure no matter what. Condi Rice once said she would be back out with evidence of Osama's involvement. We never heard another word. A mint terrorist's passport lands in NYC while no other recognizable documents come out of WTC. Too many questions that don't have answers. Whatever the answers may be, we should be able to hear them. If they are dead, and we've bombed and converted these countries, it shouldn't be an issue of being classified any longer.

By: Sketchee

Sketchee — Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:51:24 +0000

I found the commments here really sad to read. Most of the writers here don't even have an opinion. They're just quoting someone else's. THank you Chris for posting your views and linking to the sites. I'll have to investigate further and learn more about the evidence provided before I provide my opinion on the tape and your comments. :)

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:29:04 +0000

I agree with Joe the sheep analogy guy on a lot of points. You'd have to be stupid to think the FBI/CIA/ and or military didn't have anything to do with the deaths of the Kennedys. Flight 800 was taken down by a missle and the gov't was clearly covering their butts. But, I have faith in our agents in the FBI/CIA/military that they are trying to do what is right to protect our country. There's a lot we don't know about that goes on everyday. You would be stupid to think there are no pawns in their mission to keep the US secure and preserve our way of life. Kennedy was a pawn. Oswald was a pawn, posing as a communist, killing the president, to enrage US citizens even further against communism to support the war in Vietnam.
US has initiated/entered into War as result of incidents. Pearl Harbor started WWII. I don't believe this was a conspiracy…. But was the assassination of Kennedy to get Americans to back Vietnam? This 911 incident resulted in the downfall of Saddam Hussein.
Somewhere in the neighborhood of 300,000 men were killed in WWII, and died heroes, making this country great as it is today. The world is better off because of it. Would you kill 3,000 people to preserve our way of life for generations upon generations to come? I believe the FBA/CIA/military answer questions like these and are much better informed than you or I.
It's stupid to think the president of the US is anything but a puppet of these organizations. Vote for whoever you'd like. I don't think they are the ones making the decisions in this country.
I don't know if I think this is definitely conspiracy but would not shock me to find out it was, and certainly wouldn't discount it.