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> <channel><title>Comments on: 32-Bit Windows and 4GB of RAM</title> <atom:link href="http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/</link> <description>News and Reviews! Geek, Internet Entrepreneur, Hardware Addict, Software Junkie, Book Author, Once TV Show Host, Technology Enthusiast, Shameless Self-Promoter, Tech Conference Coordinator, Early Adopter, Idea Evangelist, Tech Support Blogger, Bootstrapper, Media Personality, Technology Consultant, Thicker Quicker Picker Upper.</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:54:55 -0800</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Yuhong Bao</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-728255</link> <dc:creator>Yuhong Bao</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:46:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-728255</guid> <description>&quot;why does the same limit apply to 32-bit Linux?&quot;
It doesn&#039;t, not if you enable HIGHMEM64G in kernel config.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why does the same limit apply to 32-bit Linux?&#8221;<br
/> It doesn&#8217;t, not if you enable HIGHMEM64G in kernel config.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alan L Henderson</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-724916</link> <dc:creator>Alan L Henderson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:47:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-724916</guid> <description>I&#039;ve been running 64-bit Vista trouble-free since SP1 - well, no more trouble than Vista 32-bit anyway.:)The main problem wasn&#039;t Windows, it was the old story of non-Microsoft programs not keeping up with the technology and hardware manufacturers not writing 64-bit hardware drivers.I&#039;m suspicious of PAE. If this is a Microsoft imposed limit as alleged by Mr Chappell, why does the same limit apply to 32-bit Linux?Even if PAE does work, it&#039;s a mission and it would be a lot easier to install the 64-bit OS which Microsoft will supply to licenced Vista users for the delivery fee only.See here:
http://mywitsend.co.nz/computer-stuff/windows/16</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been running 64-bit Vista trouble-free since SP1 &#8211; well, no more trouble than Vista 32-bit anyway.</p><p>:)</p><p>The main problem wasn&#8217;t Windows, it was the old story of non-Microsoft programs not keeping up with the technology and hardware manufacturers not writing 64-bit hardware drivers.</p><p>I&#8217;m suspicious of PAE. If this is a Microsoft imposed limit as alleged by Mr Chappell, why does the same limit apply to 32-bit Linux?</p><p>Even if PAE does work, it&#8217;s a mission and it would be a lot easier to install the 64-bit OS which Microsoft will supply to licenced Vista users for the delivery fee only.</p><p>See here:<br
/> <a
href="http://mywitsend.co.nz/computer-stuff/windows/16" rel="nofollow">http://mywitsend.co.nz/computer-stuff/windows/16</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: popeye67</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-716810</link> <dc:creator>popeye67</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:44:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-716810</guid> <description>Vista sp1 shows 4gig but still cant address more than 3 - 3.25gig, plenty of people have tried and all have failed, running windows7 x64 had no problems with it so far, runs x86 and x64 programs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vista sp1 shows 4gig but still cant address more than 3 &#8211; 3.25gig, plenty of people have tried and all have failed, running windows7 x64 had no problems with it so far, runs x86 and x64 programs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SA</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-711095</link> <dc:creator>SA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:35:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-711095</guid> <description>I&#039;ve recently found that PAE in Windows is flawed, in that even with it enabled in either Windows XP or Vista 32-bit, you still hit a 4 GB limit.  Personally, I moved to Linux a while back and I&#039;m ever glad that I did.  I recently installed Fedora 10 Linux on a brand new Dell system with 4 GB of RAM and it sees all 4 GB right out of the box.  And, Linux will see up to 64 GB since it&#039;s not flawed.  This adds to the list of reasons why I think Linux has a lot of advantages over Windows....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently found that PAE in Windows is flawed, in that even with it enabled in either Windows XP or Vista 32-bit, you still hit a 4 GB limit.  Personally, I moved to Linux a while back and I&#8217;m ever glad that I did.  I recently installed Fedora 10 Linux on a brand new Dell system with 4 GB of RAM and it sees all 4 GB right out of the box.  And, Linux will see up to 64 GB since it&#8217;s not flawed.  This adds to the list of reasons why I think Linux has a lot of advantages over Windows&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff Chappell</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-708812</link> <dc:creator>Geoff Chappell</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:19:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-708812</guid> <description>32-bit Windows can use more than 4GB of RAM. It just can&#039;t give more than 2GB (or 3GB, depending on version and configuration) to any one process. This has been true since Windows 2000.Unfortunately, the client versions such as Windows 2000 Professional, Windows XP and Windows Vista are constrained to 4GB of RAM in total, and nowadays also to a maximum physical address of 4GB. In Vista, these limits are explicitly coded as license values, read from the registry, with protection against being tampered with.If you don&#039;t believe me, read my article http://www.geoffchappell.com/notes/windows/license/memory.htm for instructions on how to patch the license limits away for testing. (Enabling PAE is not of itself enough.)If you have programs that each want gigabytes, then you don&#039;t have much choice but to get 64-bit versions of those programs and run them on 64-bit Windows. Otherwise, the only sense in which migration to 64-bit Windows is necessary for using 4GB and more of RAM is that Microsoft has this license limit conveniently placed at a value that many people, in their ignorance, regard as a fundamental barrier for 32-bit operating systems. Whatever the merits of 64-bit Windows, being pushed to it this way has an element of fraud.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>32-bit Windows can use more than 4GB of RAM. It just can&#8217;t give more than 2GB (or 3GB, depending on version and configuration) to any one process. This has been true since Windows 2000.</p><p>Unfortunately, the client versions such as Windows 2000 Professional, Windows XP and Windows Vista are constrained to 4GB of RAM in total, and nowadays also to a maximum physical address of 4GB. In Vista, these limits are explicitly coded as license values, read from the registry, with protection against being tampered with.</p><p>If you don&#8217;t believe me, read my article <a
href="http://www.geoffchappell.com/notes/windows/license/memory.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.geoffchappell.com/notes/windows/license/memory.htm</a> for instructions on how to patch the license limits away for testing. (Enabling PAE is not of itself enough.)</p><p>If you have programs that each want gigabytes, then you don&#8217;t have much choice but to get 64-bit versions of those programs and run them on 64-bit Windows. Otherwise, the only sense in which migration to 64-bit Windows is necessary for using 4GB and more of RAM is that Microsoft has this license limit conveniently placed at a value that many people, in their ignorance, regard as a fundamental barrier for 32-bit operating systems. Whatever the merits of 64-bit Windows, being pushed to it this way has an element of fraud.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: joey</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-702527</link> <dc:creator>joey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:56:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-702527</guid> <description>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEdrv.mspxuse the pae switch and you can use 4GB of ram</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEdrv.mspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEdrv.mspx</a></p><p>use the pae switch and you can use 4GB of ram</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Glenn</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-692687</link> <dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:54:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-692687</guid> <description>Can anyone confirm if Vista SP1 32x display 4GB of RAM now?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone confirm if Vista SP1 32x display 4GB of RAM now?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: 3gb ram on 32 bit operating system - Geeks!</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-679691</link> <dc:creator>3gb ram on 32 bit operating system - Geeks!</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:03:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-679691</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Chris has a post on it here [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris has a post on it here [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Attendees &#124; Gnomedex</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-675356</link> <dc:creator>Attendees &#124; Gnomedex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:37:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-675356</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] 32-Bit Windows and 4GB of RAM  August 30, 2007 - 4:00pm Getting 32-bit Windows to recognize anything beyond 2GB of installed RAM is a seemingly futile effort. (...)    [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 32-Bit Windows and 4GB of RAM  August 30, 2007 &#8211; 4:00pm Getting 32-bit Windows to recognize anything beyond 2GB of installed RAM is a seemingly futile effort. (&#8230;)    [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Coach George</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-674694</link> <dc:creator>Coach George</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:30:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-674694</guid> <description>If you are using multiple applications that are memory intensive, will the 32bit OS address the entire 4gig of ram?  From what I can find, the limitation is 2gig per process.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are using multiple applications that are memory intensive, will the 32bit OS address the entire 4gig of ram?  From what I can find, the limitation is 2gig per process.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Magus Munro</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-660963</link> <dc:creator>Magus Munro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:48:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-660963</guid> <description>Certainly, up as far as Vista SP1, Vista 64bit was the most time-wasting unstable piece of S/W I had every seen on a computer.  I can&#039;t speak for 64+SP1 because by the time it came out I had dumped 64 and gone back to 32.  What I can say is I had experienced some of the same issues also with 32, but, with SP1 and all current patches for it seems improved.   I still have problems, but nothing as regular as earlier this year when I first tried Vista.The time wasted with both versions, in particular the long drag after many many many many reboots (because it was unstable) for the O/S to get loaded and back in operation again was enough to turn me off MS OS&#039;s for good.  For many people MS is probably living on borrowed time - the &quot;let the customer do the testing approach&quot; is simply not satisfactory when people expect a production ready OS out of the box.The organisation I work for employs &gt;250,000 people and is moving towards a Linux desktop - most of our apps. are already available on Linux, or, as Web Based applications so I don&#039;t imagine the final nail is far off.One problem with 64 is that whist it will allow you access all of your 4GB on a laptop, you will still mostly be running 32bit SW on it (who&#039;s writing 64bit specific apps. for Windows?).  This means you&#039;ll be caching Windows 64 and 32 bit libraries and 32 bit applications.  Today what people probably want is more addressable memory, not necessarily bigger address space per process.  We are running more apps., not bigger apps.I believe people are incorrect when they say the only way to get 4GB and above is to go with a 64bit OS.  Let&#039;s face it, Windows Server 32 bit can access all of the RAM using 36 bit addressing.  There appears to be no reason, other than marketing, that MS are not giving us &gt; 4GB (eg: full PAE capability) on Windows Vista (esp. Ultimate).Today, I&#039;d prefer to have a 32bit OS with &gt;4GB than a 64bit OS.  I believe current 32 bit linux distros. will normally handle 36bit addressing properly. When I&#039;m comfortable I can build, backup, restore &amp; recover SUSE correctly with all drivers for my T61, I&#039;ll be saying goodbye to Vista.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly, up as far as Vista SP1, Vista 64bit was the most time-wasting unstable piece of S/W I had every seen on a computer.  I can&#8217;t speak for 64+SP1 because by the time it came out I had dumped 64 and gone back to 32.  What I can say is I had experienced some of the same issues also with 32, but, with SP1 and all current patches for it seems improved.   I still have problems, but nothing as regular as earlier this year when I first tried Vista.</p><p>The time wasted with both versions, in particular the long drag after many many many many reboots (because it was unstable) for the O/S to get loaded and back in operation again was enough to turn me off MS OS&#8217;s for good.  For many people MS is probably living on borrowed time &#8211; the &#8220;let the customer do the testing approach&#8221; is simply not satisfactory when people expect a production ready OS out of the box.</p><p>The organisation I work for employs &gt;250,000 people and is moving towards a Linux desktop &#8211; most of our apps. are already available on Linux, or, as Web Based applications so I don&#8217;t imagine the final nail is far off.</p><p>One problem with 64 is that whist it will allow you access all of your 4GB on a laptop, you will still mostly be running 32bit SW on it (who&#8217;s writing 64bit specific apps. for Windows?).  This means you&#8217;ll be caching Windows 64 and 32 bit libraries and 32 bit applications.  Today what people probably want is more addressable memory, not necessarily bigger address space per process.  We are running more apps., not bigger apps.</p><p>I believe people are incorrect when they say the only way to get 4GB and above is to go with a 64bit OS.  Let&#8217;s face it, Windows Server 32 bit can access all of the RAM using 36 bit addressing.  There appears to be no reason, other than marketing, that MS are not giving us &gt; 4GB (eg: full PAE capability) on Windows Vista (esp. Ultimate).</p><p>Today, I&#8217;d prefer to have a 32bit OS with &gt;4GB than a 64bit OS.  I believe current 32 bit linux distros. will normally handle 36bit addressing properly. When I&#8217;m comfortable I can build, backup, restore &amp; recover SUSE correctly with all drivers for my T61, I&#8217;ll be saying goodbye to Vista.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: N-C</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-655013</link> <dc:creator>N-C</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:22:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-655013</guid> <description>4GB is overkill its not posseble to juice more then 2GB on a 32bit OS even if you have 3GB it will onley juice 2GB cause the 32 bit OS cant adress more then 2GB to an application
there where some updates that the OS shows there 3,12GB max but its onley for a good look not for juicesow having 3GB onley make you future proof for 64bit OS</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4GB is overkill its not posseble to juice more then 2GB on a 32bit OS even if you have 3GB it will onley juice 2GB cause the 32 bit OS cant adress more then 2GB to an application<br
/> there where some updates that the OS shows there 3,12GB max but its onley for a good look not for juice</p><p>sow having 3GB onley make you future proof for 64bit OS</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Operating system - GameTrailers.com Forums</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-652461</link> <dc:creator>Operating system - GameTrailers.com Forums</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:57:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-652461</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] in the other thread?     here read this I think you&#039;ll find everything you need to know here   http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/...nd-4gb-of-ram/    [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the other thread?     here read this I think you&#8217;ll find everything you need to know here <a
href="http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/...nd-4gb-of-ram/" rel="nofollow">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/&#8230;nd-4gb-of-ram/</a> [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Doctor</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-620769</link> <dc:creator>The Doctor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:24:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-620769</guid> <description>Nolan, if you want to be awed by amazing frame rates/resolutions of the latest 3D games then spend a fortune and &quot;go 64&quot;. However you will not have much time to play due to spending your time pulling your hair out with the frustrations of constant fixes, driver updates, crashes etc.If you want to actually play the games then go for a *quality* 32-bit set-up -  all good quality parts espesh motherboard, 2 GB memory and almost-top-of-of-the-range video/gfx. The reason I say don&#039;t buy top-of-the-range is because it&#039;s a lot more money for not much more performance. Use 2 hard-drives - one for the OS, one for everything else, install fresh Windows XP SP2 (not Vista) and turn all the awful stuff off i.e. hibernation, system restore etc. then Enjoy :)The ultimate in frames/second is less important than enjoyment :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nolan, if you want to be awed by amazing frame rates/resolutions of the latest 3D games then spend a fortune and &#8220;go 64&#8243;. However you will not have much time to play due to spending your time pulling your hair out with the frustrations of constant fixes, driver updates, crashes etc.</p><p>If you want to actually play the games then go for a *quality* 32-bit set-up &#8211;  all good quality parts espesh motherboard, 2 GB memory and almost-top-of-of-the-range video/gfx. The reason I say don&#8217;t buy top-of-the-range is because it&#8217;s a lot more money for not much more performance. Use 2 hard-drives &#8211; one for the OS, one for everything else, install fresh Windows XP SP2 (not Vista) and turn all the awful stuff off i.e. hibernation, system restore etc. then Enjoy :)</p><p>The ultimate in frames/second is less important than enjoyment :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nolan</title><link>http://chris.pirillo.com/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/comment-page-1/#comment-604755</link> <dc:creator>Nolan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:46:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/32-bit-windows-and-4gb-of-ram/#comment-604755</guid> <description>Out of sheer need for a powerful gaming computor i was wondering this.  A few of my computer friends said that 64bit os for either xp or vista was full of bugs and not worth it.  Also, i was told by a few people that 32 bit could recognize 4gb of ram, minus your video cards memory, typically leaving around 3.5.  I was at first looking at a rediculous 6-8 gb, but if only 2 is recognized then whats the point.  All in all i was wondering of the stability of the 64 bit os because of its ram capacity</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of sheer need for a powerful gaming computor i was wondering this.  A few of my computer friends said that 64bit os for either xp or vista was full of bugs and not worth it.  Also, i was told by a few people that 32 bit could recognize 4gb of ram, minus your video cards memory, typically leaving around 3.5.  I was at first looking at a rediculous 6-8 gb, but if only 2 is recognized then whats the point.  All in all i was wondering of the stability of the 64 bit os because of its ram capacity</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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