Five Ways Vista is better than OS X?

No chris,
it isn’t the same. people don’t wan’t to buy a 8000 dollar computer.
If you do your research,you can get a really good deal on price and hardware.
if your just gonna do web surfing,emailing movies. and,simple games on windows.
you do not! need a 5000 dollar pc.! I build my uncle a 400 dollar pc. all he does is web surfing,shopping online and email. thats all he needs. look,stop trying to say that macs a better. they all do the same thing.
the last gaming pc i built was 500 dollars. i didn’t buy top of line hardware. no need to.

Error. No ones said you had to buy top of the line hardware. But when you configure a Windows PC same as the Mac, the Windows PC will probably be more expensive. Macs aren’t more expensive, they just don’t cater to the low end.

To add to the argument of software, Intel Macs can run Vista, XP, Linux., and Mac software. Talk about more software…

“you do not! need a 5000 dollar pc.! ”

What kind of Mac costs that much? An Xserve or a Mac Pro speced to the max for an animation company or something, clearly no one is trying to sell that to your uncle.

That has got to be one of the worst lists I have ever seen, coming close to that “Why I hate MAC’S” Video on YouTube.

I have had a MacBook for around four weeks, and, being my first experience of the OS X Operating System, I have to say, I don’t miss a single element of Windows, and I am astounded almost daily of how this system can be so simple.

The bit about uninstalling software? I was amazed by simply putting an icon in the “Trash” item on the dock can uninstall software almost instantly! (and deleting from Trash obviously) With Windows, (not just Vista) I have always seemed to know that I have been unable to FULLY delete a program from my Hard Drive, and items such as Program Folders almost always remain, so I have to physically search the Hard Drive and manually delete them.

When I tried to regularly “Clean Up” my previous Windows Vista System of unwanted programs, it was literally a case of hours waiting for the arduous uninstall process, as well as being virtually unable to do anything else in the background, as it is such a Power Hog!

Vista is safer? That made me laugh unstoppably! I love being able to perform a simple task such as browsing the Internet without having to worry about all you have described above, and I just love being able to not perform a “Virus Scan”, and still having some on my system that were undetected!

Two Words - Steve Jobs. D’-uh Two More Words: Bill Gates. He has promised us so much with Windows, and they are now even receiving criticism from their own executives on problems they are having, and while he enjoys his life and counts his Billions, we are sitting at home, broke, because of having to “Upgrade our RAM”, or even having to switch to a different platform!

Mr Jobs. Do not change a thing! You’re a Legend!!!

I must disagree… let’s follow the same points:

Vista runs more software: OK, this is hardly a point, I’m sure there’s enough software for both, and I’m sure that it’s stable on both ( I’ve used vista since the beginning, a little buggy at first, but right now I couldn’t return to XP ). Both OS’s serve diferent purposes, and both are equally well served on software. I’ve never had any problem uninstalling software, so I can’t see were your getting at..and I’ve never had any stability problems. But I know who has, so let’s make this a tie =P

Vista is safer: Well, out-of-the-box Vista has proved being safer than OSX, anyhow, there are loads of viruses for windows, but the firewall plus an anti-virus usually does the trick… and keeping UAC enabled also helps… and keeping away from porn.. =P

It’s the money, stupid : very good point, in my opinion.. mac hardware is usually much more expensive. Especially RAM ( last I checked they wanted 600$ for 4gb..) Building your own machine is usually the best alternative.. and usually ends up at least 30% cheaper than an equivalent mac.

the last two points are pointless imo. OSX is a very good OS, I agree, but i honestly think Vista is superior.

PS: I would like to be able to fool around in OSX but it’s just too expensive, maybe one day, if I win the lottery =D

In reply to Error32, you say that you can buy cheaper parts for the PC for gamers, the worst thing for gamers is when they go “hardcore”. Meaning they have the top of the line of everything. I have known people who balk at the price of a mac, but will spend five hundred dollars on a video card. I do agree that people who only want to surf the web and do email, a cheap machin e is ok, they can do that on a mac for a longer time, and resell the machine for a heck iof a lot more than a PC.

Chris, you quoted the part where they talk about Steve Jobs, what about people giving money to Bill Gates? I mean we stupidly give that man money for an operating system that has more bugs than a flea cirus, and more hole in security than holes than in swiss cheese.

I mean, I have only one reason that windows can be better than Mac… Gamer support. Yeah, that;s all I got.

Buying any Apple product is not going to make Steve Jobs richer anyway because he only takes a $1 salary and Chris is absolutely right, its about the product. OS X just works and thats why I switched having been an MS fan all my life… until i met the iPod and later used Vista, then everything changed.

Dear Error32,

Superb comment!

I don’t know what you use your cheapo computers for, but it’s obviously not typing.

And, as for the logic of what you’re saying, I suggest you look before shooting your mouth off. Macs and non-Macs are pretty much the same price. It’s just that Apple doesn’t have an ultra cheap line. The medium range and high range are to all intents and purposes the same price.

Yours sincerely,

John Davis

the really killer apps on apple right now are final cut pro and motion - they are truly amazing and more than justify having a mac if you want to edit video. Apple have really made a smart move with those apps.

But, from the corporate perspective (since no bugger will ever raise these because they all lack the experience) I’ll give you 5 reasons why windows, not just vista but windows as a platform is better than osx

1) active directory - once you sample that, you’ll know
2) group policy - ok,technically is a part of AD, but is so configurable that I would place it as its own entry.
3) exchange - an utterly fantastic mail server with so much potential, tho it isn’t as customisable as domino is, thankfully it doesn’t have notes as its client!
4) sharepoint services - integrated with exchange and active directory for an easy method of creating collaboration services.
5) WDS/RIS - installing windows across a network is a breeze with this imaging system, RIS is the old 2000/XP method of installing windows, WDS is the “longhorn” method. Installing from a disk is painful after you have it running.
6) WSUS - create a centrally controlled mechanism for keeping your machines up to date utilising your network and AD.

I know that’s six but I could keep on going… as a corporate solution windows is very hard to beat unless you have the resources to invest in alternatives to windows. So many of you guys n gals argue from such a myopic view of the computing world that you simply need to learn about just what is possible - this is why I am a very vocal advocate of windows home server including a very user friendly version of active directory.

Window safer over a Mac. Maybe.

In a recent podcast I listened to (it had leo laporte in it so it could have been one of a hundred thousand or so) the people on it talked about a hacker event where the winner won the box they were able to break into and get root access. It was a three day event with certain rules allowing more software/hardware to aid in the hacking as the time went along. Who ever first hacked the box won it. The contestants were a Mac Book Air, Vista machine and a Ubuntu box.

The MacBook Air went down first with a hack using Safari. The next day the Vista box went down. The Ubuntu box never got hacked.

Both Windows and Macs have flaws. Windows has always been the low hanging fruit - the easier target because it is a larger target with more users who don’t understand or know how to protect themselves. With Apple’s increase in users comes the inevitable bigger target for a hacker.

In addition I bring up one thought. Mac users tend to say they just want things to just work. Are they prepared to start running virus and firewalls and spyware apps and watching their data to make sure they are safe? Does that mean Mac users won’t want to properly secure their computers if more of the hacker community turn their attention to them because it will get a little more difficult?

We all know there are plenty of Windows machines out there hacked and spreading viruses like Paris Hilton on a naval fleet week because users don’t know how to properly secure their machines or because Windows didn’t do that good of a job until recently. Vista may not be better or worse than Mac’s OS any more.

Both OSes have their flaws. Linux is where security rules.

@Error32: You may have built a $400 PC, but you could not have used nearly the same quality components. If you were to build a machine out of the exact same brand name parts, you would be hard pressed to do the same.

So True. I wish I could convince the previous generation that spending more money at the start will lead to the same, if cheaper experience for them. I know the next computer I will be getting for my parents will be a mac. I would even prefer to buy them a Mini, compared with a PC. Since, I am away alot, the problems constantly flood in. The computer has to be cleaned daily because of the amount of browsing is done.

Jack

I love your vids, but this was a bit fanboy heavy…

Windows Vista:

Why buy a computer that cost more then 1,000 when you can get the same speed on a PC that cost 500$? Does not make sense, and you can build one for even cheaper! If you have a virus protection and that good stuff, and you are a more ‘elder’ person, who just likes to check emails.. then there is absolutely no problem with Vista! its the users who run around and download EVERYTHING they possibly can, test things and stuff like that, vista can be worse for that because of security, but for one who loves installing vista over and over again, like me.. its fine.. I don’t want to spend a ton of money on a Mac and not like it! If you are comfortable with one system, and if you have problems, and you manage them fine, then don’t worry about changing at all!

You’re over exaggerating Error32. The majority of people who are buying macs, most notably in the education sector, are not buying the 5000 dollar machines.

If you’re going to do simple surfing and e-mail, I’d recommend a Linux box, simply because the OS is free, and the consumer probably already has sufficient hardware. However, developers, designers, musicians, composers, artists, and those who like the stability of a UNIX based system without the pain-in-the-rear setup that can come with linux will probably want to invest in some Apple computers. I wish I had one (my hopes now lie in the OSX86 project).

If you’re one of those people who spout off “LOL GAMEZ” as the first reason to choose Windows, fine, have your games, whatever. I like to do more productive things with my CPU cycles, but everyone has their own tastes. Just note that there is a reason that places like Facebook and Digg run mostly macs in their offices *shrug*.

Just an FYI, I don’t own a mac. I own an HP running Vista Premium, with linux VMs. My servers run Linux, and I manage a domain that is a mix of Windows Clients and Windows + Linux machines.

How exactly is Vista “open”? Vista is the most proprietary OS on the planet. I’d argue that Mac OSX is more “open” than Vista. Much of OSX leverages open technologies & standard formats. How can I look at the code that makes up any version of Windows?

it IS about the cost. the cheapest mac you can buy is 600$. i know that it comes with ilife, which i want VERY badly. 80GB hard drive, 1GB RAM, and 1.8 GHz processor.

my machine was the same price. it has a 500GB hard drive, 3GB RAM, and a 2.6 GHz AMD 64X2 processor, which apperently is the same as a 2.3 GHz Core2.

I would have a Mac, but i dont have 1500$ to spend on a computer…

PS: my pc is a gaming pc, its only 650 including upgrades…

I thought you were generous with the half-point. :)

Yeah these were bogus reasons. I’m pretty sure that vista and Mac have the same number of exploits. The problem is that since more people use vista/windws more of those exploits have been found.

Hi Chris,

I read the above article on why vista is better than OSX And i found the so-called advice rather bad. I think it all depends what you do if you like Fine Arts, Music, Design, Ect. OSX is better in my opinion. But if you are just doing business documents, or possibly hardcore gaming vista may be better. On thought point i don’ think Vista was designed with the lower pc ower users in mind those who don’t spend a lot of money on their pc for extra rams and such. I got my MacBook Pro last summer and it has to be one of my better investments.

So in my personal opinion OSX is better operating system as far as stability and resources, but as far as opportunities and more programs availability i think may be a better choice but i do like XP better than Vista.

Hey! I sent you an email with more legit reasons. Both are great however.

Sorry it lost the formatting I noticed so its plain text.

Take care
TheDub

Wish I could, but no. I don’t have any reasons Vista is good.

Earlier today I read that post, and found it extremely lacking in depth. The fifth point about Steve Jobs also makes no sense. It is irrelevant to a comparison between Mac and Win.

Not having to update a virus data base sold me on a macbook. I liked windows for a few years, but i think os x is just easier and more efficient.

Someone please tell me Error32 is joking.

Error32: Mac mini?

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Vista Runs more software Vista is safer It’s the money, stupid Mac is closed, Vista is open Two words- Steve Jobs You can check out what Chris thought of this on his YouTube video (below). This is thepostthat he wrote on his blog.  

Apple’s OS X has an open source component — Microsoft’s Vista DOES NOT!!!

How much more open could Apple be without being Linux?

WHAT is closed about OS X versus Windows? What?

I’m not going to mince words — moronic that Preston. I also saw someone called OS X closed in a message thread and simply had to ignore it or track down the idiot with a flame thrower.

http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/

I’m going to step away from my normal focus on Social Media because the inner-geek in me just couldn’t resist. RecentlyChris Pirillo posted a challengethat I just couldn’t help taking on. In it, he criticizes a post by Preston Galla of ComputerWorld stating “5 Reasons Vista Beats OS X”, and he makes some very good points. I admire Chris a lot because he

@Error32: If you don’t want to spend $8000, then buy a Mac Mini. Problem solved. If all your uncle does is surf the web and email, then the Mac Mini is a great machine.

Gaming is not the Mac’s thing. Oh sure, there are some great casual games out for the Mac and Spore is coming in September.

Look, when it came time to update my desktop computer in 2006, I looked at Windows based systems and I looked at Macs. I usually spend about $1,500 for new systems. Before I purchased the hardware, I started looking at Windows Vista to see if I would be happy with it. Man, I knew the OS was in Beta and RC status, but what a piece of junk.

So my first purchase was a new notebook since our older Windows based notebook was seeing the end of it’s life cycle. I purchased a MacBook $1100 system. That was $900 less than the Windows notebook I had purchased 2 years prior. Yet, the MacBook is way faster than the Fujitsu and it’s been a great addition to our home. I did this to make sure I was going to be able to handle OS X. After about 3 weeks of using the MacBook as my desktop computer, it was time to look at Apple for my desktop replacement.

I looked at the iMac’s, but I just didn’t feel that I was going to like not being able to upgrade/add hardware to the system. At the same time, the Mac Pro was released. It was way more than what we usually spend for upgrades, but then I figured that for a quad processor system with XEON’s in it, I figured I wasn’t going to need to upgrade again for quite some time. So, yes, I spent $3,500, way more than twice the normal budget.

This was my choice. I didn’t have to do this. I could have spent $1800 for a good iMac. I didn’t need an iMac since it comes with a 20″ or 24″ LCD screen. I have 2 LCD screens as it is, so I was looking for a system that didn’t come with a screen and the Mac Mini is way to low end for what I was looking for.

Now, my need are way more than just the basics for a computer. I am a gamer, I am also a programmer, so I wanted a system that was going to be powerful enough to handle all my needs. Plus, I can do any Windows games I want by simply rebooting to BootCamp and running XP on the Mac Pro. It works great and if I don’t need the full speed of BootCamp, I can use the BootCamp partition with Parallels to run Windows apps in OS X.

So, sorry for the length here, but to say that all someone needs is “x” is just not enough. Oh, and by the way, Dell “had” a quad XEON system, the Dimension 710, that was selling for over $4,000 at the time I was looking.

Error32 obviously hasn’t priced any Macs lately. And the post only talks about half of the story.
Going to http://www.systemshootouts.org should give anyone a comparable benchmark when buying a PC that actually has features you’ll need over a Mac (which often has these features built-in and not built to order). Macs start at $500 and scale upward, so Error32’s pricing is sheer ignorance.
Error32 might be a techie. Most people aren’t. Most people want a computer that works for what they need, no matter what they buy. In the PC world, $500 might get you a good email and web computer, but videos and music might strain under the weight of any Vista version if you leave the RAM at 1GB or less.
We’re not talking about homebuilts here. You can’t homebuild a Mac for the same reason you don’t (and shouldn’t) homebuild a Porsche or any car. Vista changed so much of its internals just to be “cool” that it breaks the average Joe’s computer more often than not, and that’s the topic. I’m betting any computer Error32 is building runs XP, as Vista is a logistical nightmare both in versions, system requirements and support. I handle Mac and PC calls, so I see quite a few horror stories.

error32,
that was a pretty harsh bit of text you done there. you have a point about buying top of the range hardware. but what Chris was trying to say is how stupid those quotations were (to prefer a p.c). Chris did say ‘I’m fed up of arguing’ okay so, somehow i don’t think he was saying macs are better than p.c’s, i mean yeah a mac pro is better than my p.c but….. that’s the way technology is man so……… in future i think you ought to think about what Chris is trying to say before you go dis-agreeing with him.

good video Chris i think its true what you are saying what stupid quotations.

1. Vista is much better since i never use it.
2. Vista is less cartoon y than my Linux version. (i like cartoons)
3. Vista wastes more of my time than any other operating system.
4. Vista has more free useless software than any other operating system.
5. Linux doesnt play Halo 3.

Chris,

You bring up some valid points about Vista. The hard uninstall began with Windows XP SP2. And just look at how many patches come out on Vista. Have you had that many patches on Mac os 10.2.3.4? Sure stability is an issue for any os, but as you have said in your blog, how many programs can be written in Vista or Mac OS 10 without crashing. The main issue in any os is the kernel (no not the guy from Tron 2.0). All geeks should know that. Stop the mac vs. pc wars, both have good points and bad points. But macs are not cheap yet, and I see why they are making Windows pcs cheaper, shovelware.

Hey Chris,

I try and stay out of the OSX vs. Vista (Apple vs. MS) pissing war as much as possible. With that said;

I guess it really depends on the context of the original conversation that led to the 5 points. I write software for a living, and have been for the last 10 years, so this is how I look at things.

I would argue that writing software for Windows users in mind is typically a smart business decision. This is simply due to the overwhelming large market share that Microsoft has with regards to corporate computer users. Whatever you build, you have more “bang for buck” since there are far more windows machines out there at present time.

I would also argue that OSX is, as you said, a nice consumer operating system. For the average computer user it’s a fantastic option, in my opinion, to go with an Apple machine and OSX. Things just work a little better…

Being that it also seems that everything is going web-based these days, I also wonder if the operating system/computer are going to have less of an impact in making a decision to go one way or another? Just a question.

If I can say one last thing about Apple/OSX. As a developer, I find the experience of building applications with Apple in mind really restricts the creativity of the developer/architect. You are essentially coding in a box with very fixed rules. This is of course, one of the big reasons that Apple, and subsequently OSX is such a stable solution.

Just my 2 pennies…

Five? Probably not. In fact, it’s impossible to say “Vista is better” or “OS X is better,” given that everyone has different needs. What’s better for me may well not be better for you. Here are the reasons I decided Vista was better for me:

(1) Software. It’s not which has “more,” whatever that means. It’s that there is software I use that is only available for Windows and for which the substitutes are not acceptable. Yeas, I could run Windows on a Mac, but that would entail buying a retail version of Windows, adding to the cost.

(2) Cost. Error32’s hyperbole aside, In most configurations, Macs are more expensive. They’re less more expensive than they used to be, however. More importantly, there is no low-cost Mac. My Compaq laptop cost about $500. We have a perfectly acceptable Acer that cost $350. Would an $1100 MacBook be technically superior? Sure, but I, personally, wouldn’t find the cost to be a worthwhile tradeoff. I really wish Apple would introduce an entry-level Mac. Like the Mini, but with a lot less suck. they won’t because it’s not their business model.

(3) Open hardware. You like Apple’s Hotel California approach to the consumer computing experience. I don’t. I want to be able to upgrade the hardware in my PC, so I don’t have to buy a whole new box every 2-3 years. That’s just not the Apple Way.

(4) Design decisions. For my desktop(s), I don’t want an all-in-one design. I don’t like it. I don’t like the risk that a bum screen takes out the entire device, and I don’t like the design compromises that go into cramming more hardware in less space. It’s aesthetically pleasing, but not for me. Unfortunately, to get a traditional form factor from Cupertino means spending a lot more money.

(5) There is no 5.
My reasons are probably not valid to you, because you have different priorities. In the Mossberg “all things being equal” comparison, OS X may well be better than Vista, but all things are not equal. That’s why Choice is Good.

1. Vista comes pre-installed with all the extras you need. Vista has a large pre-installed library of applications ready to help the user take advantage of the power of their computer. This includes programs such as games, multimedia, office, graphic design, and networking tools. There’s Solitaire, Notepad, Paint, RegEdit, regsvr32, Ping, etc. The list goes on and on.

2. You can change the color of Vista’s theme. Unlike a Mac, you can make your Vista PC shine with all the glory of the rainbow! Whether you are partial to blue, lavender, red, green, orange, pink, whatever you like, you can customize your Vista PC to give you a wonderful, colorful experience.

3. Vista is an entirely new design. Unlike the stagnant organizational techniques used by the Mac OS X operating system, Vista is organized completely differently than anything Microsoft has ever done. You can forget all the non-sense you learned with XP and begin an adventure through a completely uncharted landscape. You can spend countless hours hunting for options like how to change your desktop background, or how to show hidden files!

4. Vista has an improved security system. Unlike on a Macintosh, where programs can just change setting whenever they desire, the user of a Vista PC must explicitly accept any change to any system setting attempted by an application in Vista. Vista will also load the prompt window for this feature using the Vista Basic theme instead of Aero, which allows the user to have both themes loaded entirely in memory at the same time! This added feature, on some systems, can also halt any open media which is playing in the background when it is closing. This will help protect against the user becoming distracted by playing media while they are trying to see the results of the action they have just accepted.

5. Vista has a structured price vs. feature layout. Instead of being forced to accept all the features that the operating system comes with, a Vista user can select from a variety of different versions which include and exclude various features of the operating system. This means that a user who predicts that they will never need any advanced networking features available in their computer can choose an operating system more geared towards multimedia or office applications. This will allow the user to be free from the clutter of any advanced features that he deems unnecessary at the time of purchase.

There are my reasons Chris. What have you to say to that?

1. Vista comes pre-installed with all the extras you need. Vista has a large pre-installed library of applications ready to help the user take advantage of the power of their computer. This includes programs such as games, multimedia, office, graphic design, and networking tools. There’s Solitaire, Notepad, Paint, RegEdit, regsvr32, Ping, etc. The list goes on and on.

2. You can change the color of Vista’s theme. Unlike a Mac, you can make your Vista PC shine with all the glory of the rainbow! Whether you are partial to blue, lavender, red, green, orange, pink, whatever you like, you can customize your Vista PC to give you a wonderful, colorful experience.

3. Vista is an entirely new design. Unlike the stagnant organizational techniques used by the Mac OS X operating system, Vista is organized completely differently than anything Microsoft has ever done. You can forget all the non-sense you learned with XP and begin an adventure through a completely uncharted landscape. You can spend countless hours hunting for options like how to change your desktop background, or how to show hidden files!

4. Vista has an improved security system. Unlike on a Macintosh, where programs can just change setting whenever they desire, the user of a Vista PC must explicitly accept any change to any system setting attempted by an application in Vista. Vista will also load the prompt window for this feature using the Vista Basic theme instead of Aero, which allows the user to have both themes loaded entirely in memory at the same time! This added feature, on some systems, can also halt any open media which is playing in the background when it is closing. This will help protect against the user becoming distracted by playing media while they are trying to see the results of the action they have just accepted.

5. Vista has a structured price vs. feature layout. Instead of being forced to accept all the features that the operating system comes with, a Vista user can select from a variety of different versions which include and exclude various features of the operating system. This means that a user who predicts that they will never need any advanced networking features available in their computer can choose an operating system more geared towards multimedia or office applications. This will allow the user to be free from the clutter of any advanced features that he deems unnecessary at the time of purchase.

If you’re comparing the two operating systems then cost shouldn’t factor into it, because the cost of a Vista machine is widely varying and can depend on version, whether you’re upgrading, OEM etc. Mac OSX also has two costs - one where it comes with a Mac, one upgrading an existing Mac. They can’t really be compared.

I’m not going to list 5 but the reason I run Vista is because it runs on a PC and is the easiest OS to use on a PC. Linux distros are improving but still have many driver issues and don’t easily support games. If OSX ran on PCs, then we’d have a comparison - but seeing as its strength is that its makers control the hardware it runs on, it wouldn’t be half as good coping with the myriad configurations of the PC.

If money was no issue and I just wanted to do basic tasks easily I’d pick a Mac. With money, games, customisation and expandability being a factor for me I choose a PC and with that comes Vista.

I don’t think that you should ever say that one operating system is flat out better than the other. I use both Vista and Macintosh. I usually use my Vista machine more often probably because I am more adapted to it. I am comfortable with it. I play games on it and I use it as a media center. Sure, I get some trojens, a little spyware that slows me down for a while. I have some good antivirus/ anti spyware programs to get rid of it. It doesn’t really bother me that much.
I have had problems on Macintosh machines as well. The first Mac I ever had was a macbook that was broken just out of the box. I still gave Mac a chance though.
I do think that Macs are over priced in comparison with windows machines. Obviously windows has a much larger selection than Mac does.

Give me a break.

You can really buy a quad core, 4G RAM, 500GB hard drive, 256MB Video, nice case Apple and get it wrapped up for $2000?? (or even less, and this was six months ago)

Apple has an iron grip on all of their hardware, from the smallest iPod to their largest server. Yes, they have become more competitive, but they don’t stay competitive.

I’m going to step away from my normal focus on Social Media because the inner-geek in me just couldn’t resist. RecentlyChris Pirillo posted a challengethat I just couldn’t help taking on. In it, he criticizes a post by Preston Galla of ComputerWorld stating “5 Reasons Vista Beats OS X”, and he makes some very good points. I admire Chris a lot because he

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He says it’s better because it runs more software, is safer, cheaper and more open than a Mac and, most of all, is not managed by the vindictive Steve Jobs. Many others disagree with this opinion, withChris Pirilloproviding a very articulate rebuke. Most of you know

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$8000 and $5000? Where are you getting these numbers?

The mac mini is $599 baseline
The macbook is $1099 baseline.
The iMac is $1199 baseline.
The Macbook pro is $2000 baseline
The Mac Pro is $2799 baseline.

Actually the Vista runs more software one is at least semi-valid. Not so much Vista, as Windows in general has more software available than OSX.

Personally the only area where I feel it is in gaming, most games are written for Windows, and a small number are later ported to OSX, if they could close that gap I’m not sure there would be much left at all where I feel Windows still has the advantage.

I’m a fairly recent convert and I’m enjoying my Macbook Pro considerably. I actually pulled the trigger when I needed a new laptop and it was impossible to buy one without Vista (I would have bought one with XP). I’ve got a serious philosophical issue with MS’s decision to put DRM at the OS level, as I feel a piece of software I pay money for should serve me, not the RIAA and MPAA. If they want my OS to do their bidding, they shoudl pay for it and give to me for free, just my opinion.

Chris,

You should really do your own research. In the laptop market, for example, the price gap between Apple and the “OEMS” you speak of was significant. Check out Dell for example… I have configured identical spec PCs (same CPU, ram, graphics card, LCD panel resolution, optical drive, features) and experienced savings up to $600.

Unless your hypothesis is that the difference in cost is due to software differences you are way out of line.

Dell has comparable PCs for most spec laptops (XPS M1330 vs MacBook) (XPS M1520 vs 15″ MacBook Pro).

LCD monitors are another great example. The 30″ Cinema display line is priced about $600 more than competing Dell 2007WFP-HC.

Apple does overcharge. I am not arguing that Apple may make a better product overall (partly a matter of personal preferences), but the pricing is not competitive (the monopoly on the OS X allows them to mark up everything).

You should do your research before critiquing Preston Galla’s.

Kevin

Chris,
Thanks for this video and putting these things into their perspectives. People don’t understand that Apple is about an experience, and different view, things that just work. Everyone thinks that mac’s are more expensive but when in fact if you compare apple’s to apple’s (pun intented) they are very simular. Most people that have these views fail to do their research and have never tried Apple/OS X ever.

@error32 - this applies to you.

I’m sorry chris.. but as of right now… there is no way to list five reasons why Vista is better than OS X.. its total **** granted there are a few small (like one or maybe two) improvements but overall its just no were near better than OS X or even Linux. Now I know that you would include linux but that is just my two cents.

Chris,

What a stupid article. Not up to your usual ability. I hope you don’t continue with this!

I agree, i really don’t want to pay that much for a computer, especially one that i am not familiar with. I do however agree with Chris on a couple of things. For example: No computers are virus free!

For now though i am going to wait for Microsoft to create a new OS. I am thinking about a mac though. I am just trying to distinguish what my needs are.
Bradley Bradwell

I don’t own a vista or os x. I have used my sister’s vista and there is no way that I would switch from xp to vista right now. And I’ve used my friend’s mac, and there is no way I would get a mac either, because I’m too attached to my games. I guess I’m a semi-gamer. I don’t have the money for it, so I just get whatever is cheap and when I’m not busy doing school work.

However, recently I was thinking about getting a new computer for school and something that could handle 3d Max, Maya, and more advanced games as well, and for the first time ever, I considered getting Vista. Just for the graphics card capabilities and 64 bit, pretty much.

Anyway, that’s about the only reason I can think of that a vista would have an advantage. I might be wrong about the graphics card. And I don’t know that much about macs, so maybe I’m completely wrong and they can play next gen games.

Oh, and when I looked at my bank account, I dropped the idea of getting vista and a new computer anytime soon.

The biggest problem with this guy’s comparison is that almost of none of his points have anything to do with Vista and everything to do with the PC ecosystem. You can’t say Vista is better than OS X because PCs are cheaper. How is that a comparison of the operating system? Saying something like Flip3D is better than Expose would be a good example of a valid comparison, but almost all his points have as much relevance to XP as they do to Vista.

Christ and number five is Steve Jobs? Steve Jobs make Vista better? I know what he’s trying to say, but that’s just stupid. Give me some facts about Vista. Don’t run off into fanboy territory. Saying Steve Jobs is holding OS X back is a subjective statement. It’s not as effective as saying something like “Tests have shown that Vista boots faster than OS X on the same hardware.” Now that would be an effective FACT, that is, if it were remotely true, which it isn’t.

Heck, maybe it was a late April Fools?

Did you guys read the comments to Preston Galla’s article? They are hilarious (lol..) - especially the one about IBS….

- Chuck

5 reasons:

1: You can play more games
2: You can use antivirus (who wants a computer without virus???)
3: You can use defragment tools
4: In Mac you do not have the Blue Error Screen (Apple’s guys are mad? Why they don’t includes a Blue Screen Error in MacOSX? Oh my god)
5: Two Words: Bill Gate$

Some good points, Chris, however some less than good ones too. I wrote a commentary inline with your article back at my blog, that would probably be too long to post here. So you should check it out and see what you think. (I try to be the voice of reason and take both sides, not as interesting as a fight, i know, but hopefully more reasonable)

I’ve used Windows for many years. Each year makes me want more out of Windows but its just not there. Its the same package with a different wrapper. With that said I finally committed and purchased my first Mac. I picked up a Macbook Pro and its everything I wanted in a computer.

As far as more software? Well I can now pretty much run anything I want from OS X, Windows, and Linux/BSD. With the killer combo of running Windows in VMware Fusion and Linux/BSD apps in X11 all inside OS X has me sold as a superior system and OS.

Only the Mac pro costs 8000 dollars. And PCs break twice a day while you rarely have any issue with a mac.
If you ask me, I have an EEE PC and Im all about Linux.

He is not talking about the PC, but about VISTA.
I really think vista is a really bad OS…and when you compare it with OSX, it’s even worse.

I have to admit that i really don’t like macs either, but vista is not a good OS to fight the OSX. How about XP? in the practical terms I’m interested in, Xp is really good. But since I’m a power user, it really doesn’t matter. For the standard user, a mac is a good choice, because of the simplicity of the apps, the robustness of the OS, etc.

I personally think that macs are made for users that are not prepared for a computer, or power users that are too lazy to use linux or to deal with windows security issues.

Never the less, macs are really good computers, even though, i would feel like selling out if I used one. I really like to mess up with the hardware of my PC, buy every part of it, even mod the case or something…ok ok, i’m a gamer, so macs at the moment are a total “no no”.

Vista…oh MS what were you thinking…?

Hi Chris,

A few points of interests:

1. Vista runs more software: Yes. Windows runs a heck of a whole lot more applications than the Mac or Linux, anyone can see that. There are also a lot of protection programs on Windows, yes. But that doesn’t mean you ‘need’ them. Those were created for the fools under the Windows users. A sophisticated computer user, in fact, doesn’t need these. Getting infected by malware is greatly due to user ignorance. And, I don’t think you can run and store every single program made for the Mac, either, Chris ;-).

2. Vista is safer: No. But it is just as secure as any other operating system out there (hmz, which OS was pwned first… the Mac, but that set aside). Why are there so many exploits floating around for Windows? Because it’s the biggest target, mainly due to market share. So.. Mac is safeguarded from exploits due to small marketshare. And that’s actually a good thing.

3. It’s the money, stupid: It is merely a legend that Apple charges more for the same hardware, nowadays. What you do get with Windows is the ability to tinker with your hardware if you please, which could be seen as a value-add over the Mac.

4. The Mac is closed: Vista is open: They’re both closed-source OSes. User experience is better on the Mac, true, but you have to give Microsoft credit for making things work together so well in such a heterogeneous environment. There ‘are’ 500+ million Windows computers out there, you know.

5. Steve Jobs: I’ve heard he’s kind of a jerk, yes, but he performs nicely on stage.

Just comes down to the fact that Windows and the Mac are both extremely mature operating systems, albeit with different target audiences. No need to BS over it all the time.

Regards,
Ace

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Vista has a lot more hardware support, i am not talking about amd cpu’s or things like that but more in terms of mice, printers, scanners. On a mac pro you can replace your videocard but a x1900 mac edition is more than twice the price than an normal x1900 and the only difference is an other bios. Does there really need to be a double price on that ? Or an macbook upgrading your memory from 1gb to 2gb will cost you 150 dollars on the apple site but the actual cost of the memory is 30 dollars.
If i take a laptop from like xxodd and maximize the performance and do the same with an macbook pro. the xxodd will be just as fast but 1500 dollars and not 3000 dollars like a macbook pro, that is twice the price !

Hey, Chris I didn’t understand that ether but for some things he has a point like it being safer it does scan for viruses every time you download something but ya everything else is stupid. vista is still good I’m using it now the only problem i have had with it is i couldn’t connect to the internet but that was just my wireless card anyway good CNN, later.

Chris I’m with you, I’m so tired of the battle between OS X and Vista. I even started staying away from the chat due to all the stupid battle. I enjoy hearing you and watching the chat with true meaningless questions people are always asking you. To me the most important reason why I chose Vista was at the time I purchased my two Computers was at that time I had never heard you and the reason why apple would be better. Your information and tutorials about apple convinced me that I had made a mistake. I could have spent a little more for a Mac Book Pro . But I didn’t realize at that time. It’s a mistake that is haunting me to this day. I have 3 reason’s why i think apple is better.
1. Apple OS X allows you to choose what not to download..Vista comes with tons of bloat ware.
2. You have to upgrade almost all your hardware ,even when it’s a new computer that is suppose to be Vista compatible. Big Laugh
3. Everything Operating System made by man is more secure than Vista, Even the updates completely messed up my computer that was working fine before the update.

I like Windows Software because they do have the ability to play more games, their are also thing I don’t like about Windows though. :)