iPhone vs Windows Mobile Pocket PC for Business

How did you suddenly become Windows illiterate after using an iPhone?

Is pushing a button so hard for you after getting spoiled by the iPhone?

It’s a bit like a reverse geek syndrome. Technies who are normally giddy with technology suddently become Apple luddites.

What would happen if you lose your iPhone? Will you become suicidal?

Yes, it is an amazing device. I have owned a few smart phones and the iPhone is a different animal all together.
Like you said it’s a pure joy to use and for me other phones - dare I say - almost seem primitive in their user interface and software navigation (very structured, almost claustrophobic).

I really enjoy your program. Thanks!

MajorDef wrote in to ask which is better for business… a Windows Mobile device, or an iPhone? I am a product tester for Sprint, and recently got my hands on their new HTC Touch mobile device. It’s not a bad device. … You can read the full storyhere

Chris, I am sorry but I think you don’t get the main advantage of a Windows Mobile Phone for business users: Exchange push. Unfortunately, there is no way to sync your iPhone (except IMAP for mail) while being mobile with Exchange…

I totally agree that the interface on the iPhone is awesome and the speed and ease of use is really not comparable. But I personally couldn’t work without pushmail any more and since we (and lots of other companies) use Exchange it all comes down to Apples stupidness not to provide an SDK. Let’s hope we will see an exchange integration coming in 2008…

What sealed the deal for me is the fact the iPhone has a full web browser and mail client. As the guy said, you see things the way they are meant to be seen, even when your not at your pc.

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I do not have a iphone as yet, but you do make me want to go out and get one.

Chris,

I am using a Touch, (Asian version) for 6 months now, I still like this device (previously owned a MDA) mobile 6pro is much better than WM5.
It is by far the best ppc phone available.
The button push took awhile to get used to, more than 5 minutes and remember the processor is a little slow; HTC has a newer version with twice the ram and processor speed.
It does voice dialing from a blue tooth headset, so you don’t have to remove it from your pocket; (missing on iphone) and is a very comfortable size for daily use.

That said…
I also have an iphone. I picked it up two weeks after is came out as a surprise birthday present for my wife. She hated it, and wanted her Razor back… no problem I thought, I will try it out for a while and then sell it.

Let me preface my next comments, I am a windows super geek, and have never owned an apple product prior to this.

The interface will convert anybody over, it is absolutely fantastic…

Needless to say I still own it, and am having a great time learning and hacking; it is Jailbroke and SIM free (still at 1.0.2)

Granted it is far better at the things it does… Browsing, IMAP G-Mail, Photo Album, Video Playback, and Maps.
The things is can’t do; cut and paste, AD2P audio and write word, excel documents, extra camera functions,
It can’t do business exchange mail, (if you can make it work, tell us how. My IT guys say it doesn’t work.)
(I still carry the Touch for these things).
So in conclusion, No the iphone is not ready for “corporate” business, maybe very small business, but definitely not big business.

BRICK

Being able to connect my laptop to a mobile data connection is important to me. To have 3G internet on the go, and use bluetooth wireless to connect my laptop to a fairly high speed internet is extremely useful. The iPhone can’t do this, and even if it could, it isn’t 3G.

The iPhone is definitely not for business travelers.

lol Anywho point stands. Some one is working on a 100 slot server, and my recommendation was to only open it to trusted members. IE: Voiced users and up.

Easy enough to crack a iPhone there are tutorials ALL over the web. So that excuse has been long made null and void.

Im not a mac fan boy, but from listening to chris I can tell, I wouldnt want to fuss over something that should and NEEDS to be intuitive and easy to both use, and understand.

chris were can i get that firefox hat?

Yes, and I have read enough news when the last firmware was released about people with problems and unlocked companies running to rush a fix to get the iPhones unlocked again. We are talking here about a business. A business can’t be going around the web looking for a solution everytime that AT&T release a new firmware. ;)

I got the Apple touch yesterday for my media and I still kept my Blackberry 8800 for which is a much better phone than Iphone.

Yah, you can use your iphone while I spend $400 for a PS3 and still have money left over for some coke a pizza to brake it in.

Does it require extra software to sync to MS Exchange or is it working out of the box?

hahaha, I laughed my *** off at the part where Chris goes “I… I… … a ….. h….”

He just said it all by hardly saying anything.

macs got you chris COME BACK TO THE DARK SIDE!!!!! MUAHAUHUAH

Chris is right….

I bought one the windows PC based palms and the internet sucked before. I returned back to BestBuy in a week. I haven’t got the iPhone but I have used it and I know it is good.

Chris; You didn’t exactly answer the question.
You didn’t look at either the devices as business tools but on how easy they were to use or navigate.
Apple themselves don’t even claim the iPhone to be a “business”-user phone and neither does HTC with the Touch.
It reads like you are comparing the Touch to the iPhone without talking about them as business devices.
Just about ALL phone has some sort of way to handle e-mail but e-mail isn’t the only business feature.
BOTH phones will sync with Outlook and Exchange.In fact, so will many phones currently on the market (maybe not so many with Exchange).
But to end the discussion on how nice the iPhone is to use compared to the Touch doesn’t answer the question.

Nice to see that recognition of good design is beginning to happen. Microsoft are way behind in this area, and always have been.

I think you meant Iphone at the last sentence, not Ipod.I don’t think of buying an Iphone because I hace my LG pocketphoe,I like it,but still don’t use its network specialities,I don’t if I can use messenger with that,didn’t try yet but it counts much tokens,by the way when I was 13,15,17 smt.,we were using the token telephones on the streets,now funny,isn’t it?Now there are credit card like telephone cards.Tech flourished so much in the last 10 years I think.And I feel I am behind that unfortunately.

While I think that you are correct in that the iPhone could be a good business tool, Apple [or AT&T - as they point the finger at each other] restricts is activation to NON-BUSINESS accounts. Why is that???

I’m thinking of buying one now that I’m convinced

it does not have 3G or MMS so i will never have an iphone it carnt even record video i think i will stick with my Nokia 6630 as its still a top phone & it has Symbian OS that is one of the best operating systems for mobile phones and Symbian OS lets u fully hack it with 3rd party apps and iv hacked my Nokia 6630 to play N-Gage games that have 32Bit graphics and run with no lag

SiliconPirate Video chat on a phone has been done like 5 years ago in the UK by the 3 network and now nobody uses it any more so even if the iphone 2 gets it if it dont have 3G then the data speed unless connected to wifi will be to slow and video will lag

Hey Chris, have you ever heard of Windows Mobile?

You started off by saying this was about the iPhone versus the Windows mobile for a BUSINESS PHONE.

Apple has positioned this clearly as a consumer/home/hobbyist phone, not a business phone.

My company recently bought PDA’s for more than 20,000 employees. Would gladly add the iPhone to the list of accepted devices, but this little button-less device you seem to love so much doesn’t get us there. Apple doesn’t want to position this phone for large business accounts.

As a personal phone, I’d love one. As a BUSINESS PHONE, it’s not ready for prime time. Since I don’t want to carry two phones, my Treo 750 will have to do. I’m not nearly as interested in surfing the Web and playing music with my phone as I am in having reliable, secure communications.

Siliconpirate, so I would use ‘mail’ and not outlook on my computer if I get an iphone?
And what about the blue tooth ear piece?
Thank you by the way…

yeh im jew and i hate myself

arranmc182… The Nokia 6630 is a great phone… for a piece of ****. But if you really like putting a piece of **** against your face, I can’t stop you. I’m just gonna call you names, like **** face, **** toucher or maybe something clever like arrcrap183. Yes I think I will just call you arrcrap182… that sounds about right. Besides that’s what mature people do….. .

I’m digging this open conversation on this issue. Let me tangent a bit. I need a biz smartphone and am looking at the XV6800 for a lot of the pc arguments listed above including the tethering, 3G use, and larger querty access (can’t see and no finger skillz). Any further thoughts? If this is straying from this topic, sorry.

Chris, I don’t think you answered your initial question.

Usability and design -> I think the iPhone trumps everything else in the **US** market.

Big-business use -> As others point out, there are *clear* limits here. Apple has historically not focused on business customers and I don’t think this is an exception. I say this reluctantly, as I’m a stockholder. You’re not answered the question re Exchange server or the comment re “push” mail. It’s not 3G — and while I think AT&T’s 3G network is overrated (I have a Blackjack), I think new phones *should* be 3G. [I also think AT&T needs to invest more $ in infrastructure. Or something. Because my phone is S-L-O-W. Painfully so at times.]

Hard-core-business-use: to the person who tethers their laptop to their phone, it sounds like you’re a Verizon sorta person. My question: why not simply use a dedicated modem? Easier and, if you really need that sort of connectivity (freedom from searching for a wiFi network), not that much more $.

Don’t hate yourself Huckit. There is nothing wrong with being a Jew or ***.
Imagine if you were left handed too, you would never be in any majorty population.

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I LOVE my iPhone. Just speaking about email alone, I don’t even check my email online anymore. The iPhone does everything that it does so well that all those half-baked cell phones that I used to own now seem like the biggest waste of money and time.

I too have been using the iPhone for several months and have a real love/hate relationship with this device. One comment you made which would greatly improve the user experience with me, is getting my Outlook To Do List synching. In your post, you seem to indicate you have been successful in making this happen. If this is the case, would you please share how you have accomplished this minor miracle? FWIW, I think there is a lot to like, as well as a lot of potential improvement, for this product. (My personal “Top 10″ wish list can be found on my blog if you are interested.) TIA! I am a long time Gnomie and appreciate all you do!

Chris, no further thoughts on this? I think lots of people pointed out that your comparison is not that good…

I have had Treos for years. This features a Palm-based OS. It’s way more stable than Win Mob (but then again, what isn’t?), and was doing most of what the Iphone does for a while now.

So much for the hype and hoo-ha.

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Please share how you share your tasks with the iPhone!!! I’m dying to figure this out.

I just bought the AT&T Tilt and love it. I, too, have been using Pocket PC’s since the first Ipaq came out and it’s been an interesting ride. I really love having all the latest technologies(WM6, 3G, GPS, Push email, A2DP) on one device. That being said, I would definitely like to try the iPhone if it provided all the technologies the Tilt does.

One thing that I like about the iPhone(from looking at them at the Apple Store) is that the UI seems pretty well thought out. It took buying several SPB products(Shell, Diary) to make me happy with the Windows Mobile UI. I think that once Apple opens the iPhones to developers that we’ll see even more people migrating.

I wasn’t even considering one until I saw this video. My big question is does it sync with Exchange or just talk to it? I have turned off push on my Vox because it locks up, but still sync every 15 minutes, but it’s a true sync. I hate the idea of reading an email on my phone, deleting it, then when back in the office having to delete it again. Also, how well does the Calender sync, MS6 still has issues.

Seriously, you mention above you sync your tasks to the iPhone. How do you do that?

For another point of view, long time iPaqHQ/Mobilitysite member, JNGold, brought our attention to a video from Chris Pirrilo. I was going to link this a few days ago, but got caught up… Thanks JNGold.iPhone vs Windows Mobile Pocket PC for BusinessView Original Blog Post

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For another point of view, long time iPaqHQ/Mobilitysite member, JNGold, brought our attention to a video from Chris Pirrilo. I was going to link this a few days ago, but got caught up… Thanks JNGold.iPhone vs Windows Mobile Pocket PC for BusinessShare This

I cannot believe you even mention the word exchange and iphone in the same sentence as a working option for business. I feel you are doing a disservice to your viewers by not providing accurate information. In the time you took to do your I, er, ah you could have provided useful dialog.

Iphone does “email” over the air not “Exchange” over the air. Exchange is collaboration with email, calendar, contacts and tasks. Until the iphone has the ability to do “exchange” over the air it is not ready for businesses with exchange.

In prep for my clients wanting to get an iphone, I got one and tried various options for doing exchange with an iphone. I did not find anything that I would even suggest or mention at this time that would make the iphone work in a environment containing exchange.

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I think the model where you sync your phone to your desktop is thoroughly outdated. These days, I want appointments, addresses, and other information updated and synchronized in real time, over the air. And I want the phone to work and sync correctly regardless of whether I’m at work, at home, on my laptop, or at a Starbucks halfway around the world.

There are also some applications I want for my phone that I won’t give up, like a fitness tracker, an SSH client, and a Flickr/YouTube uploader, and to support that, I need installable apps.

The iPhone would be a great phone if it synced over the air with .Mac or other services, using open protocols, and never even needed to talk with a desktop. The way it is, it’s a pretty throwback to PalmOS devices.

Right now, something like a Nokia N75 is a better device at a small fraction of the price. The screen isn’t quite as high resolution (320×240), and the OS isn’t quite as intuitive, but it good enough, and in terms of functionality, there is simply no comparison.

There will be continued innovations for both platforms but the Windows Mobile devices have the distinct advantage of having a large base of developers. There are thousands of free and non-free applications, enhancements, tools, gadgets, and customization features for the Windows Mobile devices.

I have read numerous glowing responses of the iPhone but what I have not HEARD is a single report that states they are that great in terms of:

1) Internet speed - they are not very fast I am told by actual users

2) The UI is not as fast and smooth as they appear on TV - this is what people I actually spoke to stated who sell and use the iPhone

3) There are no applications available other than what Stevie decides you need

I read that you cannot view Flash in Safari on the iPhone, but as lousy as IE is on WM6, and it isn’t that great, it can view flash because Adobe supports the platform.

One can opt for Opera of course which is a decent browser to replace IE on the PPC.

Google Maps on a PPC is outstanding.

Adobe Reader on a PPC is outstanding.

Syncing to Exchange is only possible on the PPC unless the administrator is going to foolishly set up IMAP support…not a wise idea. Apple could easily build a connector for Exchange support and then this would be a big winner for the iPhone for the business class users out there.

The iPhone does not offer a keyboard, obviously, and I assure you that I can type much faster on my Sprint PPC 6800 than you can on an iPhone. More over, the ancient stylus that is included allows me to use the hand writing recognition capability of the PPC and I can write and it converts that to text with outstanding accuracy. The iPhone does not support this.

There are many things that the PPC with WM6 can do better than the iPhone but it does lack the glitz and eye candy.

That being said for the business person they can via an IR connection use the PPC with PowerPoint Mobile to put on a presentation at a meeting, conference, trade show or what ever. This is not possible with an iPhone.

WM7 is just around the corner, it is going to take Smart Phones and Pocket Computers to the next level. The iPhone will not be able to evolve like the PPC platform can. Further, it cannot offer the user base any flexibility, this due to the fact that Stevie is afraid of “buggy applications”.

So he prefers the iron fisted control over innovation and inspiration of a large user base, interesting.

iPhone is awful… too popular, is everywhere and everyone has got this same model, I prefer to be unique…and I use e-ten m800 with build-in qwerty keyboard…Windows Mobile 6 is definitely better for business…

I love the clean look that the iPhone offers and I have also copied that to my Pocket PC. But I can scroll like the iPhone and have far more programs on my PPC. I can’t zoom like the iPhone. In my opinion the Pocket PC offers much more to the Busniess World. Just my opions…

The real competition of the iPhone is the Blackberry - that is where Apple is targeting their campaign. It sounds like this is really an Apples to Oranges comparison. Also as far as texting goes, the IPhone is just too clunky - that is just one of the biggest complaints I’ve have heard so far. Also if you don’t keep the touch screen covered while traveling, it may randomly dial if it gets bumped in a pocket or bag.

no i wont ‘randomly dial” people, theres a proximaty sensor on it to see if its in ur pocket or on ur ear………do u even have an iphone? i do, texting is just fine, ..

windows mobile is eating blackberry up faster than the iphone… im actually gonna pick up a blackjack II pretty soon, because i already have an ipod touch. i think keeping music and photos seperate from phones with email texting, and internet because they drain battery and have little space and take away from the phone. thats just my opinion.

hey

its a nice review with alot of mixed idea’s about the phone

i have one and i had HTC and kinda all the versions of WM
and i have to say OSX really hits the spot on smartphones

faster then any other software
smooth and the slick design are a real must these days
and here in europe for the traveling buisnis ppl the internet aint a
problem at all cause almost everywhere in the mayor city’s there are
spots with free wifi and in many bars and diners aswel

+ at destination again the internet is accesable + on the trains and public transport it wil be availeble before 2009 so

Bye Bye 3G and smel the wifi future

the only naggin thing is ITUNES REQUIRED

appauling comparison, comparing the htc touch whuch as a cpu that operates at 200mhz to the iphone that operates at around 600mhz… of course it will be smoother.

email is *** on iphone, there are loads f issues with attatchments, you cant just browse to them and save them etc.

apple fanboy n00bs

I use a q9 ive used a black jack .. nut the iphone is simply way ahead.. first of all the battery life of the jack and q9 is horrible compare to the iphone .. second of all the wifi changes the whole perspective of web browising as well as the real life like web sites

OMFG, what an ***. Sorry, but iPhone as a business phone? Are u making fun of us?

This guy just… has to be… kidding… 3 pocket pc’s for an iphone? No, just… no…

Happy brithday(2 years ago XD)

Poor fanboy, two words

NO 3G

IPHONE=PIECE OF ****…

All these people who dont like the iphone are poor people who have never used the iphone for over 40 minutes. I had a blackberry curve 8820 for 1 month, an N95 for 3 months and once i used an iphone for 40 minutes i quickly changed it. The iphone is the best phone in all of the world, regardless of the country. He is bang on

p.s make sure its jail broken, 1000 times better

iPhone is “LIMITED”, you cant extend it. Had a treo 700w and installed a sofetware that turned it to a remote control, installed another software that made it a Flash drive, another to read the bible, dictionary. Just another that turned its camera to a webcam for my laptop. Tried that with an iPhone? what you bought is what you have, cant go beyond that! sorry guys!

Nice article Chris but I think you may have been brain washed by Apple. LOL I do not own an I-phone but several friends and family of mine do. I purchased an HP Ipaq hw6500 phone back 2004 that I am still using today that does everything an I-phone does. So, the i-phone was not an original idea just a rework or a copying of existing products. Second point I do not like using my finger as a stylist. All humans secret oils and by touching the screen you are leaving behind an oil residue which over time will build up and could cause screen resolution to drop. Not to mention if you share your phone with others the possible of passing germs.

o.k so your interested in the iphone, how would you like your own website selling iphone’s? + 100’s more! SERIOUSLY I’ll show you how, visit my channel for more info

Once Jailbroken, all these things are possible, and more.

I.e., Instead of a flashdrive - I mount the iPhone Wirelessly as a shared drive using sshfs, on Mac, Windows or Linux - SIMULTANEOUSLY!

Sure, sure - bible and dictionary, no problem. I also installed an ENTIRE SNAPSHOT of Wikipedia for offline use.

Remote Control? I use my iPhone as a remote wireless playlist controller iTunes - from the backyard via Wifi.

Still haven’t tried anything webcam like tho…

Cheers!

Well I can’t agree, I really don’t know how you define a business user, but I think a mobile phone has to offer:

-keyboard for writing mails and editing files
-UMTS/HSDPA
-Blackberry Mail Service
-Outlook Exchange support
-mobile office with editing function
-replacable battery’s!
-bluetooth modem!

Of course the iPhone is cool, I really love its GUI and its incredible speed, but its nothing for business!

why the hell would you want to do that? each time there comes a new update, and you update the iPhone, you will have to wait untill a jailbreak comes along and fix it, and that just goes on and on.
just wait some more months, when the developer-app. comes along to the iPhone, iPhone are going to fix all your problems…

CHECK MATE

I meant AT&T as a service provider, not as a manufacturer.

Mostly good points there ChiwawaTheBrave. However, a real business user always has a laptop nearby, and i don’t think that’ll ever change, no matter how good smart phone technology and features get.
Personally, I wish the whole world would stick with imap instead of blackberry or outlook protocols.
In the end though, the two biggest points you made were the last two - replaceable battery and bluetooth modem. Indeed!

oh rite sorry

Only for outlook to pay 300+ $, be serious man, that is a ripof, with that money i can buy a Ultra Portable Laptop like eeePC, iPhone is a joke, i had it for 5 days but sold it after that, i have my XDA MINI for quite some time and it does everything, iphone does not have enough for that price.

It’s actually really simple - maybe simpler for me because I’m a developer. For instance, backing up my iphone:
scp -r root@my_iphone:/Applications root@my_iphone:/Users/Mobile ~/BACKUPS/my_iphone/

But yes, there can be some headaches… It is AMAZINGLY hard to brick it though!

Recently i got an iPod Touch, most of my friends have Sony-Ericcsons, Nokias and Motorola´s mobile phones, but my iPod beats them in Internet Capabilities and what I appreciate most of it its the seamlessly integration it has with my computer. The iPod Touch/iPhone does provide you a better overall experience than othe mobile phones/devices.

What?! You don’t know what your talking about.The iphone is a big joke.I own an iphone and it dont download big files from window xp and don’t have no 3gp speed.I own an T wing mobile with window 6.1 and wifi and 3gp speed.I have no problem downloading big files from window xp.

What?! You don’t know what your talking about.The iphone is a big joke.I own an iphone and it dont download big files from window xp and don’t have no 3gp speed.I own an T wing mobile with window 6.1 and wifi and 3gp speed.I have no problem downloading big files from window xp.

What?! You don’t know what your talking about.The iphone is a big joke.I own an iphone and it dont download big files from window xp and don’t have no 3gp speed.I own an T wing mobile with window 6.1 and wifi and 3gp speed.I have no problem downloading big files from window xp.

I personally dont like the Iphone for only 1 reason.. ITS NOT VERSATILE ENOUGH.. know what I mean?

I personally dont like the Iphone for only 1 reason.. ITS NOT VERSATILE ENOUGH.. know what I mean?

I personally dont like the Iphone for only 1 reason.. ITS NOT VERSATILE ENOUGH.. know what I mean?