Windows Vista Loses Users

Geez, that sucks. Yeah, I read that article Louderback published, for some reason it all seemed to familiar… Vista really has just been torture for the past few months. I think we may have a winner for the worst OS ever, forget Windows ME.
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Not to mention the disaster that is “Windows Update”.
I spent FIVE - SIX HOURS trying to fix my Vista PC a few days ago. It started crashing repeatedly in the morning after Windows Update installed “something”. Basically the PC would boot, then Windows Explorer would immediately start crashing, telling me that Rundll32.exe had failed. This would just keep happening, over and over. I did a System Restore around midday which seemed to fix it, but then Windows Update ran again (!) and the 2nd time System Restore wouldn’t fix it. So in the evening I spoke to IBM support (I’m running a souped up Lenovo desktop), they were clueless, and I had to nut it out myself. After five hours spent upgrading the BIOS, drivers, and everything else I could think of, I finally had a brainwave to unplug all of my USB hubs and try booting. HURRAH! It worked. Turns out, Windows was crashing due to a problem Windows Update caused with an external USB soundcard which had been working JUST FINE for the last six months thank you very much Microsoft.

I keep telling people - it is 2000-and-goddamn-7. Using a PC should NOT BE THIS HARD.

[...] Well, over the past few days I’ve spoken with two good friends who are both big Microsoft fans. Both work in IT and have been big Vista fans in the past. Yet things have changed. Both had changed their tunes and were in the process of moving back to Windows XP. To quote one friend, “I tried to like Vista. but it pesters me to death and runs slower than XP”. Chris Pirillo correctly notes the record number of MacBooks at Gnomedex this year. [...]

ok i get it now stop f ing around and move to a mac, I am tried of listening to you complain about vista every single day. you remind me of a my grandma, that is somebody that complain about s*** for no f ing reason at all. You and everybody else knows what the problem is lazy software developers and hardware vendors. so please stop blaming it on microsoft. it must be hell felling like the only jake *** on the web with mac followers. be productive instead of ego centric

Heh my name is even in the screen shot. Rather funny, I havnt seen a blue screen in so long, its kinda nostalgic to see that Microsoft has kept it around, least it wasn’t the RSOD>lol

Let’s see right before Gnomedex, Ponzi asked me if I’ve updated any of my computer equipment… Chris wrote that he didn’t want to say anything when he saw that I was running OS 9 from a screenshot, and Mark Veltman counseled me–*he* counseled *me* on computers; the IRONY–about the advancements in computer technology and how I may want to consider upgrading.

So I broke down and bought a laptop today.

From 1991 to 1997, I did everything short of flying out to New York to make Mark start using a computer instead of the traditional darkroom process. His answer was, he’d rather fight than switch! Then in 1998, he completely changed his mind. By 1999 he was telling me why I needed to immediately stop using Photoshop 5.5 and upgrade to 6.

Of course his knowledge and expertise in processing film is what makes him a world-class photographer. What he can do in Photoshop digitally, he can also do mechanically during the development process.

Ready?

I bought a *PC*. Mwuahahahaha! Even markveltman.net runs on Macs these days!

Not only that but I bought a PC laptop with a glossy screen and Vista!

One question about this thing; the stickers. Is it safe to peel the stickers off of the laptop. There’s a lot of stickers on the palm rests and I don’t want to break anything. I’ve got a sticker for ATI. I’ve got a sticker for Vista. I’ve got a sticker for AMD.

Is a laptop anything like a mattress? Are these stickers safe to remove? They were put there for a reason, right? I mean, I already bought the thing. It’s not like I’m going to put everything back in the box and pay the re-stocking fee if those stickers aren’t there.

“Whoah. There’s no ATI sticker. This thing’s going back.”

Hmmm. I’ve had this computer all of 5 hours and It’s already automatically logged in to one of my neighbors unsecure networks through Acer eNet Management. The default is to connect automatically to an open wireless network. Oh, look. Another unsecure network. I have choices here.

I’m thinking different. I’m thinking Vista. Why? Because I like slow-insecure operating systems that are prone to viruses and adware!

1. Bought a new computer with Vista Home Premium.
2. Looked in help file for guidance on sending and recieving faxes.
3. Find out that fax and scan module is not included in Home Premium.
4. Now must spend $159 just to be able to fax when it was included in XP home.
5. F___ MicroSoft, I will spend more to purchase and all in one just to keep them from getting my $159.

Vista, well where to start. No, it really is not all that, but it functions, and so far It has been the most stable for me. on my desktop where I have most of my gear it has not caused any problems at all, my laptop is another story, but since I don’t do a lot with it, I don’t mind a small hiccup every once in a while. I have so much hardware in my machine that it was a REAL PAIN to track down the right drivers to get everything to work properly.I will tell you this.. XP and other version drivers DO NOT WORK LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO. Sometimes they appear to work, but then all kinds of strange things start happening. after searching and getting the right drivers, all the problems slowly disappear. I got the ultimate edition as soon as it came out, and so far it has been the MOST STABLE VERSION TO DATE. There are bugs, but what piece of software this size doesn’t ? As far as the slowness, well, don’t put so much c@@p on your systems and the speed will be better. I have a lot of hardware and fonts, so it takes a while to boot, but hey, since I don’t turn my machine OFF I don’t mind. And people sniveling about the user access controls, well, do you want security or what, you do have the option of turning it off. Having used Linux a lot, I know that trying to get it to work as more than a really limited general BUSINESS OS is a major excercise in FUTILITY. linux does not have near the hardware support that I need. Apple OS, well, it is nothing but a cloned and re-hashed Linux so it doesn’t count either. Running hardcore graphics programs on a new mac is an excercise in futility at bet with the memory limits of the 32 bit system. My desktop with Vista x64 runs circles around every Mac it has come across, and until I get a better processor it is far from state of the art. In a nutshell, Microsoft still has a lot of work to do, but I am satisfied and it has been a worthwile investment (though a trying one at times because of the driver issue) I use linux for my network servers but vista on everything else. I have always hated Microsoft and tried to stay away from thier software, but now that I finally hunted down all the 64bit drivers for my hardware, it runs, is reliable NO MAJOR COMPLAINTS AT ALL. Cudos to Bill Gates for at last putting out something that functions the way I WANT IT TO……….

I’ve been reasonably patient with Vista, not so patient with hardware manufacturers who haven’t bothered to come up with Vista drivers, and not patient at all with applications that haven’t been updated to a Vista version. What is the next step down for me? Active hostility to Microsoft for explaining nothing, fixing nothing, answering nothing and promising nothing. We Vista users have been impaled on this OS, skewered by Vlad Gates, because we are not able to leave it once having adopted it, but also not able to use it properly because of MANIFOLD problems. I could begin to list them all, but one example is typical of the aggravation: Windows Explorer. This quirky utility, made all the more frustrating because I can see what it’s *supposed* to be doing, refuses to remember any setting that I give it. If I set the view to Details for a given folder, sure enough 24 hours later, the details are gone and have been replaced by big, stupid icons that tell me nothing. Or why for instance, does it frequently display my data files as if they were music files with column headings that have relevance only to music files? Go ahead and search the Internet geeks for an answer, but they are all scratching their heads and cussing. My question is simple: why doesn’t Microsoft come out of its cave and say some actual words about these difficulties? If this policy of DEAD SILENCE is meant to avoid rocking the boat, then it has failed because the boat is already capsizing and tossing the desperate passengers into the drink. The simple truth is, just as you have stated it, Chris, that geeks, moderate geeks, and hardly geeks at all, seeing no light at the end of the tunnel, are daring to think what they never considered thinking before: enough with Windows, what else is out there?

I had Vista Home Basic and got too frustrated with it as well. The Boot section just messages up too easily and I kept getting BSODs. I’ve switched over to Ubuntu Linux and no more BSODs! :) I just dual boot a stripped down version of XP only for games. If it weren’t for the games I would completely go over to Linux. After around 25 years experience with Microsoft’s OSes I can say that DOS was their most stable. :)

Oh well, Jim Louderback might move to Linux, but I can tell you I have moved to Linux and loving every keystroke. For this sixty year old retired Gnomie Linux is the best OS I’ve used so far.

No hassle computing!

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Here’s the real shame Chris.

I was at a state surplus auction this past week. There were literally THOUSANDS of computers. Some were being auctioned by the pallet load. Most of them were less that 5-6 years old.

Now at least the state of Colorado had the sense to make these available to others who might be able to spare our landfills from them. But I’ve personally seen this stuff end up in a dumpster because of Microsoft and the PC manufacturers planned (actually forced) obsolescence.

When I received my copy of Vista RC1, I was giddy with excitement. That was until I saw the system requirements. 20 gigs for OS install! Oh well, I thought. I have a spare 40 gig drive, and MS always thinks bigger is better. Maybe this OS will finally be the well-oiled, trouble-free, glorious answer to my computing needs. Not!

Computers in the early 21st century are where cars were in the late 1960′, when “bigger” and “faster” meant better. What MS and PC manufacturers need to realize, is that the current state of the art is more than enough for 95% of computer users. MS needs to rethink and design an OS that just plain WORKS, and stop trying to sell everyone with the cute little bells, whistles and such that they cram into their OSes.

PC makers need to do likewise and make good basic units that serve the needs of the 95%, while making them expandable for the other 5%’s needs. This would be a no-brainer if MS wasn’t (practically) a monopoly, and they had folks who actually tried to listen to the needs of the average user.

As a final thought, someone needs to make bumper stickers that read

“Save a landfill, switch to Linux”

i like windows vista it is ok for me

Simply put, I just don’t like Vista–and I resent the fact that Microsoft seems to have weilded a powerful enough of an influence with all of the major computer manufacturers to have resulted in almost ALL of them coming out with computers with Vista as their operating systems and, even if the buyer owns a legitimate copy of MS XP, they will not be able to install it successfully over Vista shold they buy one of the new computers that come with Vista (there will be many missing drivers and their new computer will not work properly without their laboriously having to go to different websites in order to download those missing drivers). I was recently in need of a new notebook computer (I still had a Compaq Presario from 2000–my first computer–running Windows ‘98 SE with a Pentium III, 600 MHZ that had the maximum amount of memory–256 MB–installed on it and a whopping 12 GB of hard drive space!) since my Dad passed away in April and I was spending a lot of time at my mother’s house, where I had elected to have her Comcast cable TV service supply me with their great $19.99 a month deal on broadband. Turns out that there was no way that I could get my 6 year-old notebook to work with broadband, even after I bought an ethernet card to fit in its PCMCIA slot. So, I decided to buy a new notebook to use at her house, and discovered that almost NONE of the new desktops and notebooks came with Windows XP anymore. Finally I discovered that, unless I wanted to order one online or by phone from Dell, or ONE model from HP, or buy an unknown brand from one local computer outlet (Tiger Direct), that I would not be able to purchase a new notebook computer at a good price. Fortunately, a friend of mine that owns a computer store where I live in Miami was able to use his contacts to get me the notebook that I now own and am presently using, and at an affordable price (an HP Pavilion/Altec Lansing with a 17″ widescreen and Windows XP Media Edition preinstalled and with a Centrino Core Duo and an NVidia 7600 video card, which is important to me since I am a digital photographer that uses Photoshop on a daily basis). My friend had previously lent me another HP notebook with Vista for a whole week to try–and I just didn’t like the way that Vista is set up. I also didn’t like the fact that many of the software programs that I owned would not install on Vista. Sure, given time I’m sure that many of the better known programs would suppley me with downloadable compatibility fixes–but what about some of the lesser-known programs that I had downloaded over the last 6 years, some of which are no longer in business? In short, I am very happy with my new notebook running XP and I would appreciate hearing from anyone out there who feel the way that I do and might have had trouble finding a new computer that comes with factory-installed XP.

Chris,

When you say “MacBooks” were everywhere, were you referring to MacBooks or MacBook Pros…or a combo of both?

If these were predominantly MacBook Pros, could you tell which model, like say 15″ vs. 17″? Don’t ask me why this matters to me but I am curious to know which particular MacBook models are more popular than others.

Gosh, Microsoft really need to sort something out. But, I do think that Vista will be great operating system when they do. I feel that it has a lot of potential, and, being Windows, any features that Apple integrates into Mac OS X, somebody will always manage to put it into Windows. The broad amount of software, the games, and the larger amount of ways to customize the operating system, for me, is a great selling point. But, the constant crashes and incompatibility are obviously priority. At least security is a VERY strong point in Vista, it is said to have better security than other big OS’s like Mac OS X and Linux.

Messages up? That’ll teach me to type something that early in the morning. :-)

I’m also gonna move to an apple. I hope apple will not desipoint me.

I definitely gave Microsoft too much of a free pass on this operating system: I expected it to get the kinks worked out more quickly. Boy, was I fooled! If Microsoft can’t get Vista working, I might just do the unthinkable: I might move to Linux.More-oldster-

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[...] Along came Sony with their VGN-SZ460N Vaio laptop, powered by (and I use the term loosely) Microsoft Vista, Business Edition. In 10 short weeks, that combination has dropped about $1100 squarely into Apple’s hands, and unless some phenomenal shift occurs, I don’t see myself switching back anytime soon (and I’m not the only one). Granted, it’s only a single week, and no, I’m not gushingly in love with OS X or anything, but I am so much less frustrated than I was with the Vaio. [...]

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The writing is on the wall… I’m still on XP, but installed Ubuntu on my laptop. I have ZERO plans to buy a new PC with Vista… all I can say is EFFFF THAT! I’m going back to the good ol’ days and am switching to Mac later this fall. The last thing I want to deal with are a zillion incompatibility issues, etc. Besides, Macs look so much cooler anyway. :)

Lou Razzano

(I still had a Compaq Presario from 2000–my first computer–running Windows ‘98 SE with a Pentium III, 600 MHZ that had the maximum amount of memory–256 MB–installed on it and a whopping 12 GB of hard drive space!)

I am typing this post on *my* Compaq Presario from 2000 running Windows ‘98 SE with a Pentium III, 600 MHz. Why? Because the notebook I bought yesterday came loaded with Vista Premium and my P3 600 is FASTER!

BTW, mine came with 128 MB installed and a 40 GB drive. :-)

Microsoft has taken something logical (the computer) & made it illogical! I give them 2 years..

I have not used any Microsoft products in approximately 7 years. I have a very small home network with 4 boxes on the internal network and a 5th box as the NAT, firewall, mail filter, etc., box (one of the other boxes is a file and printer server).

All boxes run GNU/Linux.

In 7 years:

1. No system lockups
2. No viruses, worms, trojans (oh my), malware or spyware

The NAT box and the file/printer server are both 333mhz Pentium CPU’s (rather old don’t you think), which are never shut down (except during thunderstorms) and work just fine for their specific tasks. The other boxes range from an AMD 1.7Ghz Athelon to a 3.6Ghz P4 (64 bit).

//krp

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what I wrote when I spent the best part of my evening mopping up after an apparently dangerous optional Nvidia driver from Windows Update that decided I didn’t need to boot Vista anymore.Chris Pirillo istalking about influential defections en massbut remember: whether influential users are using Vista or not doesn’t really matter. People who like Vista don’t have two round ones to show up to a convention running it these days anyhow. What matters is what can Microsoft do to convince it’s

Upgrade to a slower, less compatible with hardware and software, DRMed, bloated and probably insecure OS? Why?

I’ve yet to see a blue screen. Although I have a DELL XPS 710H2C which was supposedly designed with WinVista in mind. I got mine with WinXP Pro and upgraded to WinVista Business a couple of months after it came out.

It’s been stable, have had no problem with the occational freezing or restarting when I run resource heavy like running to instances of a 3d game. Apperantly my woes are a known issue and they are supposedly covered in a hotfix. But, since the problems occur infrequently, I’m afraid to install that hotfix cause it may make things worse. LOL

So I’m ok. I think the issue is partly Microsoft but mostly users trying to use old hardware or software in the OS. if it doesn’t say “works with Vista”, beware!

Could it be that Bill Gates has struck a deal with **** Cheney to trap people into using pirated copies of XP so that Halliburton reaps the rewards when they all get sent upriver? Well it’s as good as any other explanation for the dog’s breakfast that is Vista.

Mon, 20-Aug-2007; 12:43:24 -0700

No one at Microsoft actually has to listen to users complaints, demands, or wishes because almost everyone, anyone who matters, who buys a computer for the next decade will have some version of Vista preinstalled. Whether those people subsequently switch to any other OS doesn’t matter because the Vista user count that is maintained by MS has already been permanently incremented, MS has already made its money on the sale, and getting a refund is near impossible. In about five years, Vista will have had a security patch (or two), driver support will return to XP-levels, and many who switch will be tempted to return to Vista. Since many computers tend to not come with discs for reinstallation or recovery, people who want to return to Vista will need to buy a new copy. A salesperson will probably pitch a a premium version — “Home Basic didn’t fill your needs, Premium will.” The salesperson might try to convince the hesitant buyer that Premium has always had good driver support; has never blue-screened; and has always had a service pack. MS will make another sale and again increment its Vista-user count. All the while, people left-and-right will threaten “If MS keeps this up, I’m going to switch to Mac or Linux” without really knowing exactly what those are, or what a switch entails. No matter how green the pastures, switching must be like climbing Everest. They aren’t willing to spend the money on a Mac when they just bought a new PC. They aren’t willing to put in a lot of time up front when they can spread the time out over years dealing with malware, malware solutions, crashes, and other frustrations. Getting to the other side just isn’t worth that amount of effort.

Is it?

People who are frustrated with Vista. People who ponder switching. People who threaten to switch to GNU/Linux. Just do it. Get it over with. Certainly you didn’t buy retail Vista, but rather got it with a new computer. Wipe the hard drive on your old computer and install a GNU/Linux distribution, almost any well-known one will do. Experiment with it. Change distributions a few times. Find one you like. Then recall your experiences when you first used DOS and Windows 3.1 or whatever you first used to learn Windows. It probably took weeks or months to familiarize yourself with Windows then, expect it to take weeks or months to learn a new system now. Give GNU/Linux at least a year of regular use. The hurdle blocking your way will get smaller and smaller until you wonder why you ever mistook an anthill for Everest. Then when Vista inevitably crashes on your “main” computer, you’ll be prepared. You’ll have a set of installation discs for your now-favorite GNU/Linux distribution.

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Just because someone is using a MacBook (Pro) does not mean that they are using Mac OS X. In that sense, this entry is misleading. My MacBook Pro triple-boots OS X, Windows Vista, and Gentoo Linux, but I spend over 90% of my time in Gentoo.

The scary thing about upgrading: Vista is hardly Windows any more going by the old software it doesn’t run, or doesn’t run properly. Wine on Linux is a better Windows than Vista …

Exactly, evilzyx. My sister has a new Macbook and she only runs Windows XP Home on it.

Hey, x, I just switched to Linux (Ubuntu) and it didn’t take me weeks or months either to get into it. It took only a couple of days, if that. The first week after I bought Vista I had to reinstall it three times because the boot section kept messing up far too easily after installing certain of my favorite programs that worked just fine under XP and the restore options didn’t work all that well. I’m not some noobie either. As I stated above I have around 25 years experience with M$’ OSes so I know what I’m doing. M$ would have us all buy a new car every time they paved the road.

[...] Chris Pirillo noted in his blog that there were a lot more Macs than usual being used at at Gnomedex Linux [...]

All my Vista woes were resolved by yanking out the two 512MB SO-DIMMs and replacing them with two 2GB SO-DIMMs and adding a 4GB 150x SDHC card as a dedicated cache.

Chris, you post a daily rating of Windows Vista on your blog, like on a scale of 1-10. lol That would be great, since it seems Vista has good days and bad days. ;)

I’ll buy a Mac when I can get the performance and price of a PC, and the ability to customize it. I’ll buy a flying pig at the same time probably.

All my old software ran on Vista Business except some OCR stuff that came with my Canon printer. Hardly any of it has a decent Mac equivalent.
Mark Davidson, what SDHC card did you get? I’m using a Dell Vostron right now as a stopgap until I buy a new PC in Oct-November, and what you’ve done sounds like what I want to do.

Doug

I’m using the ATP branded card. It was only $60 at Microcenter. It’s also compatible with my $20 ScanDisk 5-in-1 card readers.

The person you want to speak with is Eddie Ecklund in Peripheral Sales (Tustin, CA Store). He’s the man. You can email him at eecklund@microcenter.com.

Some of the benefits of this card is the claim it’s waterproof. So, if you take your laptop diving…

If I may offer another plug for Eddie who took exceptional care of me, he also sells 2GB flash drives and 2GB SD cards for $17 (1GB $9.99 respectively).

The SDHC card is a nitro-burning/forced-air induction sucking beast relative to the generic SD card. Best $60 I’ve spent in some time.

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I have 3 geek friends that I’ve known since our college days in the early 90’s. We all became big Microsoft guys. Why? Because we could get computers for the best possible price and we could build our own machines even though Apples were more attractive to all of us. They were way too expensive. We all moved to Vista Ultimate. Here is where we stand 6 months later…I’m back to Xp because my company uses Xp and I need to develop software for the company as part of my job. One friend has moved over to Linux and the two others are now Mac Heads and loving life.

Microsoft is in trouble at home…They are fine in the corporations for now because companies cannot change their computer platforms too easily. It’s just too expensive a move for many reasons.

Anyway, I hung out at the local Apple store and the macbooks were flying out of the store. The people that bought them were giddy as they flew out the door with their new purchases. The store was packed full of people. My local Compusa has far fewer people shopping there than at this tiny Apple Store.

Bottom line: Vista SP1 will be the most important service pack in the company’s history IMO….

Remember the Irish potato famine.

What concerns me about Microsoft and their MS Windows operating systems is that they have created a a monoculture.
I’m not unique in this claim (see http://www.blurtit.com/q337849.html ) but just imagine that a highly virulent and damaging software virus was created to exploit a common MS Windows vulnerability and started spreading throughout the world.
With so much of our modern way of life and businesses being dependent on computer systems continuous availability we could have a world crisis and recession.
It doesn’t bear thinking about should Al Qaeda get smart and develop such a killer virus.
So I will never migrate to Vista and have abandoned my Windows XP for GNU/Linux Fedora Core 6, soon to be Fedora 7. I can do everything on Fedora that I needed to do on XP with the exception of that Excel set of Macros I wrote for my financial investments that I need to convert to work on Open Office.

I was a Microsoft big fan before Vista, Now Im using Linux, Planning to get a Mac this month to run Mac OS X and Linux. I play games on the WII and PS3. I dont need the PC for games so bye bye Microsoft forever.

Ok people lets get down to it. Short and sweet you dont like vista. I can appreciate that. However where is the selling point on your macs? All I here is how bad Vista is. Truth be told so far I am not a big fan of Vista but i am however a HUGE fan of XP. I do not know of a better operating system. The cruelties i have put XP through and it just keeps begging for more. I mean really you are all saying the same thing blah blah blah… I don’t like Vista blah blah blah.

The point>>>>If you dont like vista dont use it. What else is there to say?