Who Needs Windows Vista?

The idea of a breadcrumb bar in the Windows Explorer is fantastic – it’s one of my favorite features of Windows Vista. It’s not “killer,” but it’s certainly useful – and it’s also available for Windows XP through the free Explorer Breadcrumbs extension. That’s one less reason to upgrade to Windows Vista when it goes gold in a few weeks. I installed the Vista RC1 refresh yesterday and discovered only incremental improvements. I’m having sushi with Dave Vronray in the near future – where I’ll be able to point out thousands of Vista UI oversights (in person).

43 thoughts on “Who Needs Windows Vista?”

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  4. Chris, stop over exaggerating. “Thousands of Vista UI oversights”. I am beginning to think you need to have your eyes examined.

    You forgot to read this:
    http://shellrevealed.com/blogs/shellblog/archive/2006/09/18/The-Fit-_2600_-Finish-Balancing-Act.aspx

    You need to focus on usability, (performance) and compatibility instead of a Win9x icon not being updated. The only parts of Vista that suck in terms of UI are Classic and Vista Basic, those two have suffered greatly. I also think Networking is a chore, too many windows, a modal approach would have helped greatly.

  5. So I went out this weekend and bought a nice new PC with Windows XP Media Center. It says Vista compatible but I don’t think they understand me as a customer. I don’t want Vista and will in fact resist Vista until MS backs off its DRM restrictions. In general, I’m going to try to replace all current MS apps with OpenSource & other “free” software and see how it works.

    In truth, I’m hoping this will be my last MSFT PC and that Linux will be truly ready for “prime time” by the next time I upgrade. MSFT is so busy trying to please publishers that it might be forgetting the people who actually buy the computers with thir OS and their aftermarket software.

  6. James, goodluck and have fun. The reality is, Linux will never be ready for prime time, will never have the type of relationship and support Microsoft and Apple gets from the Entertainment Industry. They need to cut the distros down to a solid ten, which includes both a commercial and open version. (Suse Linux Desktop to Open Suse, Redhat to Fedora).

    OEM and hardware support will need to be there in the numbers, application support, the day I see Quickbooks, iTunes, Quicktime, Adobe professional apps on Linux, thats the day I will say, “I was wrong”. For now, take the reality pill and get out of your Linux fantasy world, free TCO non-sense. Windows makes sense and it will continue to make sense for the foreseeable future.

    No matter the amount of back lash MS gets, they have the mindshare, blogs like this one by Chris prove it.

  7. Linux is ready for prime time right now! I don’t know what drugs Andre is doing, but they are obviously not from this planet. Go download ubuntu now for free, try it first (Live CD), and install it. You’ll see how easy it is to install, the thousands of free programs available, the ease of use, and the stability. Hardware support is here (try the Live CD), and open formats for music and video are here (vorbis, theora). Quickbooks = kmymoney or gnucash, iTunes = xmms + allofmp3.com, Quicktime = crap, Adobe = crap. Will you people just stop making excuses and dump macrofeces already.

  8. Vista sucks major swamp scum. Many top programs like Photoshop, Autodesk Max, even Office 2007 won’t install to the os. The os is a slug where speed and responsiveness is concerned. I have a 2GHZ Duo CPU and 2GB of ram and my 750P3 is faster. The overhead on memory management and management of almost everything the os does sucks the life out of the hardware. Speaking of hardware-be warned-computers rolling out with vista factory installed are NOT backwards compatible with earlier Windows so your stuck with Vista. Earlier win os versions won’t drive many features on these computers like Lan, Sound, Video storage controllers and other hardware components. This is classic microshaft rollout forcing computer makers to install windows and not providing the proper drivers for earlier windows like XP or Media Center. Vista should be boycotted by not buying computers that only work with that operating system.

  9. I just bought a new computer with vista on it and give my old lap top to a friend, now with vista I can’t use any of my dj programs like PCDJ or BPM Studio. I made a bad mistake 🙁

  10. WINDOWS VISTA IS A NIGHTMARE!

    NEWER ISN’T ALWAYS BETTER!

    TRUST ME WHEN I SAY I REALLY KNOW MY WAY AROUND A COMPUTER.

    USING 2 OF THE EXACT SAME BRAND NEW GATEWAY LAPTOPS FOR MY BUSINESS – (BOTH WITH IDENTICAL SPECS) ONE WITH WINDOWS AND THE OTHER VISTA, THE VISTA HAS MAJOR UNACCEPTABLE SOUND ISSUES, COMPATIBILITY PROBLEMS AND MANY OTHER ISSUES THAT THE WINDOWS XP LATOP DIDN’T.

    VISTA IS A MAJOR SYSTEM HOG USING WAY TOO MUCH MEMORY TO RUN IT.
    MAKING IT SLOWER THAN THE XP RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

    NO LIE IT TOOK ME 48 HOURS JUST TO “SCAN” A FILE WITH VISTA THAT TOOK WINDOWS XP ONLY 8 HOURS. KEEP IN MIND BOTH LAPTOPS HAVE 2 GIGS OF RAM.

    VISTA IS VERY CONFUSING.

    TO GET TO CONTROL PANEL ICONS IN VISTA, IT TAKES 3 TIMES AS LONG AS XP HAVING TO CLICK THROUGH SO MANY PAGES TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. IT IS VERY ANNOYING AND TIME CONSUMING.

    EVERY PROGRAM I INSTALLED HAD TO BE MADE COMPATIBLE WITH WINDOWS XP.
    (IT WAS NOT FUN AT ALL)

    I GOT ENDLESS SECURITY AND OTHER WARNING POP UPS UNTIL I DISABLED UAC.

    THERE ARE ALMOST NO SOUND OPTIONS AND CHOICES IN VISTA. (AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER OPTIONS)

    THERE ARE MANY OTHER BAD THINGS I COULD POST ABOUT VISTA BUT LONG POSTS DON’T GET READ.

    I HAVE SEEN NO BENEFITS AT ALL FROM VISTA, ONLY HEADACHE AND A MAJOR WASTE OF TIME.

    TRUST ME WHEN I SAY, THE WORLD IS NOT READY FOR VISTA AND VISTA IS NOT READY FOR THE WORLD.

    NEXT TIME YOU BUY A BRAND NEW COMPUTER, INSIST IT HAS WINDOWS XP.
    JUST DO NOT BUY IT WITH VISTA UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO WIPE IT CLEAN AND USE WINDOWS XP, PROVIDING IT IS ABLE TO EVEN RUN XP.

    LONG LIVE WINDOWS XP AND LONG LIVE THE COMPUTERS ABLE TO RUN IT!!!!

    ~GARY

  11. Nice your Explorer Breadcrumbs, but the most valuable tool for explorer and right click mouse menu is Folderview 2.1.

    Available here :

    http://www.tucows.com/preview/346159

    The company ha disapeared, so catch it now !

    By this way, tou will have a new bar in Explorer with your favorites folder for a direct access. And withe the right clic mousse menu, you will get à “Copy to” or a “Move to” the same folders you choose (“Add folder” function too)…

    Dont pay attention to the stars, it is really, really one of my favourite extension for Explorer !

  12. I installed Vista a couple weekends ago and it works fine. All my games work very well, and after upgrading from 1GB of RAM to two I notice no slowdown when compared to Windows XP, and I am even using the 64-bit version of Vista with just an Athlon 64 3200+ processor. I use the 3D graphics features as well as indexing, ie I didn’t disable all the features and tweak it Fully for performance (though I did disable several things that I consider unnecessary).

    The main problems that I notice are incompatibility (so far, I had a little trouble installing Nero 7, but it works after I found a way around it, and I haven’t tried ATI Tray Tools yet) and the fact that it requires more memory. The control panel does function differently from Windows XP, though it can be made to function more or less like Windows 95/98’s control panel, as XP can. It requires a bit of adjustment, but I don’t mind.

    My games all run with framerates that are very slightly slower (usually not noticeably), but I also consider that when I added a 1GB RAM module to make my total 3 modules I switched from dual-channel mode to single-channel mode, which reduced my framerate slightly under Windows XP, and that I am not yet using ATI Tray Tools, but instead the rather unnecessarily large ATI Control Center.

    My computer is certainly not state-of-the-art, either:

    ASUS A8N-E
    Athlon 64 3200+, overclocked to 2.15Ghz
    2GB DDR400 Kingston Hyperx
    Radeon X1800GTO, overclocked to 575/590
    Sound Blaster X-Fi Extreme Music
    250GB Seagate with 16MB cache
    80GB Seagate with 8MB cache
    2 dual-layer DVD writers, 16x

  13. I was reluctant to install Vista on my D820 laptop, but after some issues with XP installation I decided to take the plunge.
    First, it’s true that Vista has some compatibility problems but it’s improving quickly. The guy who said Office 2007 is not installing on Vista is lying. It’s been released at the same time, so obviously Microsoft made sure it was working with the new OS. And I have to say, Word, Excel and Outlook open much faster on Vista than XP, at least in my experience. They had to release SP2 for SQL Server and SP1 for Visual Studio 2005 for them to work correctly. Right now, the only application not working correctly is an ERP system called Vantage that cannot print anymore (Crystal Reports seems to be the culprit here). Everything else (Opera, Nero, WhereIsit, Vault, Videolan, WinAmp, Daemon Tools, …) seems to work correctly.
    I often don’t care that much for visual candy and Windows Aero is beautiful but not enough for me to justify an upgrade. What I care much more above anything else is speed. In that department I must say that Vista is doing strong. If you give it the right amount of memory, I would say 2Gb is the sweet spot, Vista feels much faster in everyday operations than XP. Applications open much faster. It seems to me that under the hood, the memory management is much improved compared to XP.
    The best feature in Vista that I miss when I use XP is the Search feature in start menu. I love that feature and the way they rearranged the start menu. But there are annoyances as well. The settings seems scattered all over, the network connections are more difficult to access and use and some other usability that doesn’t make sense.
    Conclusion, it’s better than XP but there’s no urgency to upgrade to Vista.

  14. I have now been trying to convert to Vista for two days. I am so frustrated. How hard would it have been to provided a simple conversion program from one computer to another. I know it would have defeated your purpose … which was to make conversion difficult so as MS becomes the default product of choice fro everyone. Hey you jerks … you already won … do you ever really think about your customers.
    It is bullshit that you at MS control the industry and this is the only choice I have. From my point of view, MS has purposely created a change so perplexing, that changing once converted is impossible.
    But I will warn you … should there ever come the day that a viable option is available … I WILL SWITCH … NO MATTER HOW MUCH PAIN IT CAUSES! SCREW YOU MS

  15. Yes. Microsuck always sucked. Bill Gates sucks big donkey “you know whats”. Bill Gates is also an underhanded thief.

  16. who the hey needs linux? treehuging computer geeks,frustrated programmers an just generally anybody that wants to complicate thier lives. Vista is beautiful,functional and so far superior to all flavors of UNIX that its not even worth commenting upon. Long live Microsoft,Bill Gates, and the free enterprise system. Linux free? Pshaw! Free to download maybe but not to learn to use. if u want to limit yerselves then by all means use Linux. and as far as microsoft doing everything for the home computer crowd-isn’t that the point of it all?

  17. Just bought a new notebook to complement (ho ho) my desktop with Vista premium…I have no performance issues…even the logitech camera software which was supposed to be slightly incompatible with Vista works fine…the only thing that has been a pain in the behind is Windows Movie Maker.But it was always a pain under XP (maybe that was my underpowered laptop at the time).I remember when XP first came out…it was a nightmare for me for a while but then all the fixes came out and it was all cool beans.Soooo peeps give it time I’m sure it will be just as good as XP in the end.I also use LInux (Fedora) and that’s pretty cool too but does not have the ease of use that Windows provides for me who went from using Windows 3.1 in199-something to XP (I didn’t have or use a PC for years!)

  18. Vista 64 simply won’t work on my dell E521 with Athlon 64 x2 5600+. The installation seemed to go OK, but it simply can’t boot. No amount of firmware in existence can fix the problem, and it is impossible to update the drivers without booting up and its impossible to boot up without updating the drivers.

    On the issue of choice:
    I do not understand the Linux camp. I really wish Linux was viable, but I just can’t see a way for computer programmers to make a living if Linux could dominate. Distributing binaries on Linux means compiling your program 30 times and fixing quirks for each compilation each time every time you update your program, which will simply waste hundreds of programming hours, making it only doable by big business or pure open-sorcerers… In the other corner you have Microsoft, whose OS is now in the business of limiting the productivity of the user. I do not even think this qualifies as an oxymoron, but rather a simple and painful contradiction. If Vista continues, programmers will be forced to wear the Microsoft shackles. If, by some crazy chance, that Linux were to win, programmers will end up giving away everything, and have nothing left to trade for food. Macintosh only wants to sit in Microsoft’s throne, so I wouldn’t trust for a second that they would be any different than Microsoft if they win. The future of computer programmers and computer users looks very bleak indeed.

  19. Windows Vista is much better than XP!!
    It looks better, its faster to access what you want, its faster in general (or that might be becasue i upgraded my hardware?) but Vista is great.
    But like all OSs it has its downside and Vistas downside is its Firewall type this, i am an administrator on my PC and apparently i need permission to copy a file, that does my head in, but appart from that vista is great. i see no problems.

  20. I’ve just made the worst computer OS decision of my life. I recommended to a customer that insists he wants a Dell rather than have me build a system for him, to go ahead and get Vista.

    What a f* fiasco.

    So we get this brand new Dell Inspiron with a 3.8GHz Athlon 64, 1G RAM. We connect the cables & plug it in, and up comes Vista. After entering the initial setup information, it sees our existing broadband connection and begins to download patches. About 2 hours and 3 reboots later (granted some of that time was for Symantec to update itself also) we are ready to setup Windows Mail (formerly OE), and the system says there is no internet connection. We go to run Inetnet Explorer, and it cannot display a webpage, because it can’t connect to an “Unknown network – local access only” In other words, it sees my cable modem, and while this is enough for the OS and installed software to get to the internet, it is apparently not good enough for the human behind the keyboard. I try to go through the internet connection wizard, and it insists I need a username and password to make my broadband connection! THIS INFO IS ALREADY IN THE CABLE MODEM!! What’s up with that? I’ve never had to enter this information before, it’s always done by the cable company, TO THE MODEM ONLY!!! This is BULLsH*

  21. I will trade a brand new vista pc for any old xp system believe me this one reallt sucks with a capatil S….dont make the mistake I did if you can repair your old xp machine if it cost $600:00 do it
    you will be sorry if you don’t…..Harold

  22. COMPATABILITY!
    As a profession CAD drafter my point of view is the need for a stable high quality system. In 2006 I had the opportunity to purchase Architechtural Desktop 2007 at a significant savings while a student to run on XP. Nine months later Vista is the new Os that MS is touting as the way to go. One of my fellow students had just purchased VISTA and was all excited about his Dell workstation and the new “upgrade”, Dell told him it would work, MicroStuff told it would work …After 2months of constant problems like the BSOD most times he started his AD 2007 or his computer would just shut down completely in the middle of a drawing. He ended up having to return to XP in order todo any drafting … the problem is VISTA won’t run AD 2007 it only runs AD 2008. And AD 2008 will not run on anything but VISTA. No other Autodesk product will run on VISTA. Apparently MicroStuff and Autodesk got together to make it happen a BIG IMPROVEMENT oh boy!
    So for me to “upgrade” to VISTA it will cost about $4000.00 in order to run the new OS and the new AD 2008 application. Not very cost effective eh.
    Now what I am hearing is MS is having to offer a “upgrade” to XP for many Profession business applications because of the compatibility issues. All other issues aside if I have to buy all new applications just to “upgrade”
    to VISTA it isn’t worth it. When will MS wake up and treat the consumer with the respect and quit putting out untested BETA’s for sale in order to get the public to pay for its R&D.
    Gates may have billions but how honest is he? No wonder the EURO courts have decided that MS is a monopoly and won’t let them distribute VISTA.

  23. Running Vista here for months without significant issue. I like it. I like XP too and run it on another desktop for with a program from a software vendor that refuses to upgrade compatibility to Vista. A few points to ponder
    1) Linux is not ready for the standard computer user. You can tout it all you want but I would NEVER reccomend Linux in any current distro to my parents. I would have to move in with them for support purposes.
    2) Macs are nice but keep in mind Macs don’t have to satisfy every software need and whim of every computer user. They’ve got it locked tight and you use what they say you use.
    3) If everyone just switched, MS would take a nose dive and then you all would have your way. But they won’t and you continue to look like that group in the schoolyard who always runs to the teacher telling on the bully. Get over it and use whatever you like.

  24. I bought a new computer with Windows Vista, and now I cannot access all my saved documents from my old computer that are In Word format. help! What do I do? Do I have to go and buy Word again and install it on my new computer?
    Why would Vista create a platform incompatible with the word processing feature used on most older computers??
    Any help will be appreciated.

  25. I bought a new computer with Windows Vista, and now I cannot access all my saved documents from my old computer that are In Word format. help! What do I do? Do I have to go and buy Word again and install it on my new computer?
    Why would Vista create a platform incompatible with the word processing feature used on most older computers??
    Any help will be appreciated.

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA YOU DESERVE IT!

    HELP YOU? WHY DON’T YOU CALL MICROSOFT, THE PEOPLE YOU BOUGHT YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM FROM?

    HA HA HA HA HA YOU SLOBBERING MORON!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. It’s a wonder all you folks with major Vista trouble don’t just switch over to Apple. I’ve been with Apple products since 1988 and I can just go about my business creating beautiful complex graphic files, manipulating digital photography, playing numerous games, composing beautiful music and videos, etc., etc., etc., and still have time to got to bed early!

    Cheers!

  27. IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH YOUR COMPUTER AND DON’T WANT TO CONTACT MICROSOFT WELL BAD LUCK.

    I HAVE HAD SEVERAL PROBLEMS I STRUGGLED TO FIX WITH MY COMPUTER AND YET I STILL MANAGED TO FIX THEM. I DIDN’T COMPLAIN THAT WINDOWS XP IS A HORRIBLE OPERATING SYSTEM, SO STOP TELLING EVERYONE THAT WINDOWS VISTA IS A PIECE OF CRAP AND START FIXING YOUR PROBLEMS.

    OTHERWISE, GET A SLEDGE HAMMER AND SMASH YOUR COMPUTER. AFTER THAT, YOU WON’T NEED TO FIX ANYTHING.

    — Fat Faggot

  28. Very nice put steve-oh.

    Why dont all you whiners stop the whining and install Windows 95 or some other OS you like. I have Vista and I enjoy it very much. Go ahead and throw lots of stupid insults at me – couldnt care less :-).

    Be gone you negative minded people – all you do is complain – you never participate in making things better, like for example by joining a beta program or contribute in other ways like reporting errors.

    And what did you think anyway – it´s a new OS – it will take some time to learn how to use it, and it will take some time for all software vendors to make Vista-ready software. I laughed a bit about one guy who wrote here that it took him much longer to locate the control panel in Vista compared to XP. To put it straight forward: that is ridiculous…

    Of course I too had problems with hardware and software. First my RAID wouldnt work – took quite a while to fix that one. Then several of my old software purchases like ACDSee and Steganos couldnt install. But these problems were temporary – new Vista-versions appeared and new hardware drivers came. I find it odd that you blame Microsoft for everything, having no thoughts on all the applications you put into it yourself. They finally made an OS where installed software runs in a more controlled way, so it doesnt mess up the hole OS when it crashes.

    Stop crying and embrace the love of Microsoft! 😉

    …and now go right ahead and FLAME ME IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!! LOL

  29. I have been running Vista for about two months and I have had NO problems. I admit that I have a newer system with more robust capabilities and more know-how than the average user. However, I did have some legacy peripherals like a 2 year old sound card that I like very much and a 2 year old printer. The Audigy installed well as well as my HP printer with no hiccups. I have had no BSOD’s and no random errors. I have my copy of XP ready just in case I need to jump ship, but with what I have EXPERIENCED, there seems to be no problems. I will say that it FEELS like XP with a different UI. most of the dialog boxes are nearly identical and the way Vista responds is quite similar to XP. I did turn off the UAC as I felt that was just annoying. Otherwise it feels the same as XP. I wouldn’t recommend Vista to anyone happy with XP, as Vista is just a refresh and a negative one at that for many people, and SP3 will make going to Vista even more silly until Windows 7 comes out. Other than DirectX 10 games, there are very little in terms of new features that would prompt the average user to move to VIsta, Office 2007 is annoying at first and doesnt feel intuitive, so it just a big learning curve with no percieved benefit. I might add that switching to a MAC/Linux would also be a nasty learning curve. Also for people suffering from an empty wallet SP3 is supposed to increase system performance up to 10% with some Vista features so even less of a reason to move. I am staying with Vista because it works well for ME and I dont want to spend 6-7 hours reinstalling everything just for it to work EXACTLY the same. ,,, Just my 2cents

  30. I approached Winidows Vista with an open mind when I got my new PC. However I have come up against innumerable problems and honestly Vista has been a right pain from the very start. Those who are happy probably don’t use a variety of different software programs some of which may be older. I can’t even get online for chrissakes! I am forced to revert to my primitive PC with Windows XP to get online! Why? Because Vista needs a special ADSL Mode and a new version of AOL broadband software. I have even had problems downloading that!!. I feel like wiping the Hard Disk clean and installing Windows XP!! The only area where I see an improvement is in Windows Media Player where moving about is quicker and more straightforward.

  31. I would Still use the windows Vista live Cd look at this point NO Instalation and its portalble!!

  32. I absolutely hated Vista. It’s UAC nagged me to death anytime I wanted install any program and it was sooooo slow compared to XP. I used it for a while on my laptop before wiping it and installing XP Pro. Haven’t looked back. Newer is DEFINITELY NOT better with this version of Windows. Hasta la Vista, Baby!

  33. You know what i think…I think that all you haters out there suck!! You’all wanna talk all your smack about vista….why dont you create a better os then? I think vista is ok…been using it sice it was released and still have xp on another drive but when i boot with xp after using vista for so long xp is the underdog. Vista had alot of compatability problems when first released, but dont you think its time to upgrade? Still running your older programs?..well get with it!! If your going to upgrade your software you need to start with your o.s. Everyone that I hear complain about Vista, I question their intelligence, and you know what I find 9 times out of 10?..I find that they are only going by what other ppl are saying and not on personal experience. Ive been using Vista, like I said since it was released and I think it’s great!!!!!

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