Windows Vista: Download vs. DVD

And hopefully the telcos won’t flip the switch against net neutrality first…

[...] From Microsoft via Chris Pirillo on the massive demand for the new (and free) beta of Vista, the next generation of Windows. We are hitting ceilings on bandwidth. Right now we are serving out product keys 10x faster than we can serve the downloads. Already this is the biggest software download event in history. [...]

[...] From Microsoft via Chris Pirillo We are hitting ceilings on bandwidth. Right now we are serving out product keys 10x faster than we can serve the downloads. Already this is the biggest software download event in history. [...]

[...] June 10th, 2006 “We are pumping out bits as fast as we can. If we pushed out bits any faster there would be a measurable impact for the Internet. So, we are literally saying that if we increased our bandwidth any further there’s a possibility of taking down the Internet” - says Microsoft Exec Aaron Coldiron in Chris Pirillo’s root folder [...]

Vista Beta 2 Download - Don’t If You Can Wait…

Chris Pirillo posted a chat session log from a discussion with Microsoft’s Aaron Coldiron re: Windows Vista downloads. Aaron gives some interesting facts: Keys are being given out 10 times faster than the product can be downloaded and that this is th….

Windows Vista: Download vs. DVD.

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Hey.. i already d/l it but i don’t have a PID.. hows’s a guy get one of those…

Vista Beta Torrent Not An Option…

The demand for Microsoft’s second Vista Beta is so high that they have to limit the bandwidth to prevent the internet from collapsing (not my words). However, they can’t release it over Bittorrent for some vague reason.

At least, according…

bring down the internet

[...] Windows Vista: Download vs. DVD - “We are literally saying that if we increased our bandwidth any further there’s a possibility of taking down the Internet.” Yeah, uh right Microsoft, whatever you say. [...]

Thank you Microsoft for not bringing down the internet. :)

re hitting some serious bandwidth limits: We are experiencing extremely high download demand at this time. The wait time to start the download is very long and many customers may be unable to access the download site.According to a chat Chris Pirillo had with Aaron Coldiron, a Microsoft manager, Microsoft was pretty close to impacting the stability of the Internet because of the huge download demands: We are pumping out bits as fast as we can. If we pushed out bits any faster there

[...] But, on the other hand, Chris did do some real reporting (imagine a blogger doing THAT!) and found out that our download servers and Internet links are overloaded thanks to Windows Vista. The Windows Vista team blog has more on that. Oh, that's right, no one cares about good old Microsoft anymore or its lame OS. Heheh. [...]

Re them not supplying a BitTorrent download, this is just a case of Microsoft not wanting to support a technology they didn’t invent. Probably waiting until they introduce Avalanche http://research.microsoft.com/~pablo/avalanche.aspx

Companies ae aleady happy to supply torrents for their downloads, like Novell, RedHat.

[...] I am sure eveyone is now aware that Windows Vista Beta2 has been release for download to the general public, and demand for it has been HUGE. So huge in fact that Microsoft is having problems keping up with the demand. [...]

[...] ChrisChance wrote:Vista coulda broken the internet… read hereChris Pirillo has a full transcript here. I figure CyberMagellan would be interested in reading the reasons for the slow downloads The transcript also confirms the "legal and privacy issues" that are stopping us from using BitTorrent Page 4 of 4 [95 total records] Channel 9 Forums » The Coffeehouse » Re: Vista Beta 2 Public Released « 1 2 3 [4] [...]

What do you mean you can’t guarantee the integrity of the downloads? Bittorrent includes integrity checks, and it would be pretty easy to distribute a digital signature and checking tool. What’s the other etc bits?

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[IMG Windows Vista] I am sure eveyone is now aware that Windows Vista Beta2 has been release for download to the general public, and demand for it has been HUGE. So huge in fact that Microsoft ishaving problems keping up with the demand. I still haven’t had the chance to play with Beta2 (I hope to in the next couple of weeks) but it looks like I will just wait for my DVD to arrive instead of downloading. © tankster for tankBlog

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[...] It seems MS did consider BitTorrent as a distribution method, but because of “some� legal and privacy issues they could not go ahead with BitTorrent. [...]

[...] Vista-torrents en Microsoft marketingGepubliceerd op maandag 12 juni 2006Vista is volgens Microsof zo gewild dat internet plat dreigt te gaan: tijd voor verspreiding via BitTorrent…De publieke testversie van Microsoft’s nieuwe besturingssysteem Vista (Beta 2) is zo gewild, dat Microsoft vreest dat ‘het internet plat gaat’. Mooie marketing natuurlijk, maar Microsoft heeft het inderdaad kennelijk erg druk met de downloads: het duurt erg lang voor je de download **** beginnen. Bovendien moet je de Vista-iso downloaden met een downloadmanager van Akamai (een grote verdeler van content), die je installeert als ActiveX plugin: iets wat je normaal niet graag doet uit veiligheidsoverwegeingen…Microsoft wil - en mag - geen gebruik maken van BitTorrent om de Vista-iso te verspreiden: een van de redenen is het risico op aangepaste (lees: met spyware en andere malware geïnfecteerde) iso’s. Het alternatief van Microsoft is het bestellen van een dvd met Vista: dat kost je 16 euro ex. btw. Chris Pirillo (van Lockergnome faam) en Jake Ludington hebben besloten de Vista-iso daarom zelf als torrent aan te bieden. Zij hameren op veiligheid: na het downloaden middels een MD5-check controleren of je Vista-versie niet ‘verrijkt’ is met ongewenste gasten. Je gratis productkey moet je - uiteraard - nog steeds gewoon bij Microsoft halen. [...]

[...] posted document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,10,10,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0));                          http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/06/09/windows-vista-download-vs-dvd/ In the context of how fast Microsoft is serving downloads on the new Windows Vista Beta:”We are pumping out bits as fast as we can. If we pushed out bits any faster there would be a measurable impact for the Internet. So, we are literally saying that if we increased our bandwidth any further there’s a possibility of taking down the Internet”I find that hard to believe.. seriously.Why aren’t they using torrents for distribution anyways? that would completely decentralize the downloads and solve any bandwidth problems.——————–Corey Goldberg - corey@goldb.orgwww.goldb.org - Home Pagewww.webinject.org - Open Source Web/HTTP Test Tool Posts: 988 | Registered: Sep 2001  |  IP: Logged |  [...]

Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks! As soon as he said, “If someone [seeds or downloads a torrent] we can’t guarantee that they’ve got an unaltered copy, etc.,” the first thing out of my mouth before I even read your reply was, “Checksums, damn you! Checksums!” There’s no reason that BitTorrent can’t be used to distribute the software and have the registration key and MD5 handed out on Microsoft’s website.

It’s no wonder that open source software is so popular.

re likely using BitTorrent to do it anyway; (b) people will now have an official MD5 hash to check against any Windows Vista (Beta 2) ISO files they might download elsewhere; (c) we can help Microsoft, based onearlier reports from them and subsequent complaints from users. We’re only doing this to help, knowing that nobody wants to wait 4 weeks for a DVD to arrive when the ISO could be downloaded so much quicker through peer-to-peer networks (with a MANDATORY MD5 CHECKSUM

Chris Pirillo just IM’d me to point out the Windows Vista Torrent site: Perthe official report, Microsoft is currently recommending waiting for a DVD version of Windows Vista Beta 2 due to extremely long wait times for the download directly from Microsoft. To help them with their dilemma, Windows enthusiasts

from VistaTorrent.com with your favorite BitTorrent client before Microsoft tells them to take it down. You’ll still need to get a Product Key to unlock this thing, and they’re giving those out for free at Microsoft.com. * A Microsoft employeesaid: “There are legal and privacy issues which unfortunately make that not an option for Microsoft to officially sponsor a BitTorrent. I really wish we could do it, but we can’t.” You’re killin’ me here, Redmond.

MD5 has been cracked, so that’s no guarantee that the bits you receive are valid.

Per quanto Microsoft stia dando fondo alle proprie possibilita’ le richieste di download hanno quasi esaurito la banda. Che fare? Utilizzare torrent? Assolutamente no! Ordinate i DVD! Per fortuna qualcuno,nonostante M$ ha pensato a mettere su un torrent. Si trova qui, con tutte le istruzioni del caso. Se invece volete qualcosa di piu’ stabile, facile e meno esoso, potete sempre rivolgervi ad altri piu’ aperti lidi

[...] As some of you might have heard last week Microsoft publicly released Beta 2 of thier forth coming new operating system Vista.  Well since the download is is DVD size (a few gigabytes) you can imagine the bandwith it’s sucking up around the internet to get it pushed out to hundreds of thousands of people.  I grabbed my copy two weeks ago before it was released to the general public and even then my download speeds were slower then usual, well it appears the general public is having even worse problems with the public download.  I found out here that you can goto vistatorrent.com and grab a bit torrented copy, while MS can’t offer the software up themselves via bittorrent it seems unlike times in the past they seem to be somewhat thankful for alternate distribution methods this time around.  Chris Pirillo (who also setup the torrent site) has reported that if Microsoft increased the bandwidth used for downloads much more it might actually start effecting the global internet…. hahaha imagine how pissed the world would be if Microsoft ‘crippled’ the internet with it’s beta downloads. [...]

Vai se fude, ao usa ingles nessa porra, eu sou brazileiro seu viado, e nao desisto de obter meus direitos perante a todos.

[...] In a conversation reported by Chris Pirillo, Microsoft acknowledged that the download was very popular. I was fine with this, Vista has been a long time in the making and a lot of people are anxious to give it a try. However, Chris also reported that Microsoft feared that opening up the pipes to allow additional concurrent downloads could actually put the infrastructure of the internet at risk. Without knowing the details behind this, I am a bit skeptical, but that’s not the point of this post. [...]

[...] One might wonder why they don’t just use Bittorrent to distribute the thing like the open source folks do with Linux. Apparently blogger Chris Pirillo had this very same thought: When I asked why they couldn’t just seed it as a torrent (BitTorrent), Aaron responded: [...]

[...] * A Microsoft employee said: “There are legal and privacy issues which unfortunately make that not an option for Microsoft to officially sponsor a BitTorrent. I really wish we could do it, but we can’t.” You’re killin’ me here, Redmond. — Gina Trapani VistaTorrent.com [via Download Squad] [...]

[...] Well every since Microsoft released the newest Beta version of Windows Vista, people have been scrambling to download it. However, due to the high demand from us geeks, the Microsoft servers have been slammed, back on June 9th, Chris Pirillo posted a report, claiming it was from Microsoft’s own Aaron Coldiron. In this report, Chris asked, When I asked why they couldn’t just seed it as a torrent (BitTorrent), Aaron responded: [...]

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[...] Microsoft verbiedt alsnog Vista-torrentsDoor René Wichers - vrijdag 16 juni 2006 13:06 - Bron: Ars Technica - Views: 1.697 - PermalinkDe torrent waarmee twee Amerikaanse Vista-enthousiastelingen het nieuwe Microsoft-besturingssysteem verspreidden, is uit de lucht. Chris Pirillo en Jake Ludington namen het initiatief voor vistatorrent.com toen bleek dat Microsoft de bandbreedte voor het downloaden van Vista’s public beta 2 maar met moeite kon leveren. De twee leidden uit Microsofts begrijpende reactie af dat de softwaregigant hun actie goedkeurden, al weigerde het bedrijf van meet af aan om officieel goedkeuring aan het project te verlenen. Een woordvoerder van Microsoft noemde Bèta 2 ‘the biggest software download event in history’ en bevestigde dat het bedrijf veel moeite had om de vraag bij te benen. Desondanks heeft het softwarehuis een van zijn fameuze ‘Cease and desist’-brieven aan Pirillo en Ludington gestuurd. Die besloten daarop om Microsoft zijn zin te geven en de tracker offline te halen. Microsoft gaf precedentwerking als voornaamste reden: ondanks de goede bedoelingen van de torrentsite wil het bedrijf niet dat er een ‘grijs’ kanaal voor zijn software ontstaat. Ook kan het bij dergelijke initiatieven geen controle op de volledige en ongewijzigde distributie van de software uitoefenen. Toch mag aangenomen worden dat Microsoft bijzonder blij met de torrentsite was: het bedrijf gaf eerder aan dat de beschikbare capaciteit niet toereikend was, en doorgaans reageren de juristen van de moloch wel wat sneller. Het lijkt er dan ook sterk op dat er bewust pas is ingegrepen toen de piek in de downloads goed en wel achter de rug was. ‘We zijn niet verdrietig want eigenlijk hadden we hier al op gerekend’, laten de twee weten. ‘Bovendien hebben we nu een echte ‘Cease and desist’-brief gekregen, en die hadden we nog niet.’ Wel vinden ze het jammer dat de brief per e-mail werd verstuurd, want ‘die zijn niet zo mooi in te lijsten’. HTML_body_br();Gerelateerde nieuwsberichten (openen in nieuw window)13-06-2006:   Toch torrent voor Windows Vista Beta 2 opgedoken11:27   Amsterdams hof verklaart activiteiten Zoekmp3.nl illegaal 3 reacties onzichtbaar op huidige niveau (1) Niveau 4: 0 reactiesNiveau 3: 0 reactiesNiveau 2: 0 reactiesNiveau 1: 5 reactiesNiveau 0: 8 reactiesNiveau -1: 8 reacties GenestPlat Oudste eerstNieuwste eerstOudste eerst (negeer threads)Nieuwste eerst (negeer threads) [...]

[...] De torrent waarmee twee Amerikaanse Vista-enthousiastelingen het nieuwe Microsoft-besturingssysteem verspreidden, is uit de lucht. Chris Pirillo en Jake Ludington namen het initiatief voor vistatorrent.com toen bleek dat Microsoft de bandbreedte voor het downloaden van Vista’s public beta 2 maar met moeite kon leveren. De twee leidden uit Microsofts begrijpende reactie af dat de softwaregigant hun actie goedkeurden, al weigerde het bedrijf van meet af aan om officieel goedkeuring aan het project te verlenen. Een woordvoerder van Microsoft noemde Bèta 2 ‘the biggest software download event in history’ en bevestigde dat het bedrijf veel moeite had om de vraag bij te benen. Desondanks heeft het softwarehuis een van zijn fameuze ‘Cease and desist’-brieven aan Pirillo en Ludington gestuurd. Die besloten daarop om Microsoft zijn zin te geven en de tracker offline te halen. [...]

[...] Microsoft verbiedt alsnog Vista-torrentsDoor René Wichers - vrijdag 16 juni 2006 13:06 - Bron: Ars Technica - Views: 4.808 - PermalinkDe torrent waarmee twee Amerikaanse Vista-enthousiastelingen het nieuwe Microsoft-besturingssysteem verspreidden, is uit de lucht. Chris Pirillo en Jake Ludington namen het initiatief voor vistatorrent.com toen bleek dat Microsoft de bandbreedte voor het downloaden van Vista’s public beta 2 maar met moeite kon leveren. De twee leidden uit Microsofts begrijpende reactie af dat de softwaregigant hun actie goedkeurden, al weigerde het bedrijf van meet af aan om officieel goedkeuring aan het project te verlenen. Een woordvoerder van Microsoft noemde Bèta 2 ‘the biggest software download event in history’ en bevestigde dat het bedrijf veel moeite had om de vraag bij te benen. Desondanks heeft het softwarehuis een van zijn fameuze ‘Cease and desist’-brieven aan Pirillo en Ludington gestuurd. Die besloten daarop om Microsoft zijn zin te geven en de tracker offline te halen. Microsoft gaf precedentwerking als voornaamste reden: ondanks de goede bedoelingen van de torrentsite wil het bedrijf niet dat er een ‘grijs’ kanaal voor zijn software ontstaat. Ook kan het bij dergelijke initiatieven geen controle op de volledige en ongewijzigde distributie van de software uitoefenen. Toch mag aangenomen worden dat Microsoft bijzonder blij met de torrentsite was: het bedrijf gaf eerder aan dat de beschikbare capaciteit niet toereikend was, en doorgaans reageren de juristen van de moloch wel wat sneller. Het lijkt er dan ook sterk op dat er bewust pas is ingegrepen toen de piek in de downloads goed en wel achter de rug was. ‘We zijn niet verdrietig want eigenlijk hadden we hier al op gerekend’, laten de twee weten. ‘Bovendien hebben we nu een echte ‘Cease and desist’-brief gekregen, en die hadden we nog niet.’ Wel vinden ze het jammer dat de brief per e-mail werd verstuurd, want ‘die zijn niet zo mooi in te lijsten’. HTML_body_br();Gerelateerde nieuwsberichten (openen in nieuw window)13-06-2006:   Toch torrent voor Windows Vista Beta 2 opgedoken13:37   ‘IPv6 over vijf jaar noodzakelijk’11:27   Amsterdams hof verklaart activiteiten Zoekmp3.nl illegaal 5 reacties onzichtbaar op huidige niveau (1) Niveau 4: 0 reactiesNiveau 3: 0 reactiesNiveau 2: 5 reactiesNiveau 1: 9 reactiesNiveau 0: 14 reactiesNiveau -1: 14 reacties GenestPlat Oudste eerstNieuwste eerstOudste eerst (negeer threads)Nieuwste eerst (negeer threads) [...]

[...] Seeing that Micro$oft was flatly refusing to use .torrent when people were suggesting it, Chris and Mike did it — they set up the Windows Vista Torrent website, and they did it right, to include MD5 checksum errors to ensure that you’re getting the full, complete .iso without errors or problems. [...]

vistatorrent.com , while MS can’t offer the software up themselves via bittorrent it seems unlike in the past they seem to be somewhat thankful for the alternate distribution method this time around.Chris Pirillo (who also setup the torrent site) has reported that had Microsoft increased the bandwidth used for downloads much more in the first two weeks it may have actually effected the global internet and interfered with WorldCup streaming

[...] […] posted document.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2006,5,10,10,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0));                          http://chris.pirillo.com/2006/06/09/windows-vista-download-vs-dvd/ In the context of how fast Microsoft is serving downloads on the new Windows Vista Beta:”We are pumping out bits as fast as we can. If we pushed out bits any faster there would be a measurable impact for the Internet. So, we are literally saying that if we increased our bandwidth any further there’s a possibility of taking down the Internet”I find that hard to believe.. seriously.Why aren’t they using torrents for distribution anyways? that would completely decentralize the downloads and solve any bandwidth problems.——————–Corey Goldberg - corey@goldb.orgwww.goldb.org - Home Pagewww.webinject.org - Open Source Web/HTTP Test Tool Posts: 988 | Registered: Sep 2001  |  IP: Logged |  […] [...]

[...] But, on the other hand, Chris did do some real reporting (imagine a blogger doing THAT!) and found out that our download servers and Internet links are overloaded thanks to Windows Vista. The Windows Vista team blog has more on that. Oh, that's right, no one cares about good old Microsoft anymore or its lame OS. Heheh. [...]

LINUX SUCKS

[IMG] You gotta love Microsoft. They can’t even accept some free publicity for the ill-fated, often delayed, OS X ripped-off, operating system of theirs. Nope,Microsoft sent the bullies after Chris Pirillo and sent him a cease and desist letter. In part, it read: The information in this notice is accurate, and I hereby certify under penalty of perjury that I am authorized to act on behalf of Microsoft, the owner of the copyright(s) in the work(s)

[...] Per the official report, Microsoft is currently recommending waiting for a DVD version of Windows Vista Beta 2 due to extremely long wait times for the download directly from Microsoft. For a few short days, we (Chris and Jake) were helping Microsoft by seeding an unaltered build of the x32 and x64 ISO files with MD5 checksums for verification. We published this information in Lockergnome. [...]

Well every since Microsoft released the newest Beta version of Windows Vista, people have been scrambling to download it. However, due to the high demand from us geeks, the Microsoft servers have been slammed, back on June 9th, Chris Pirillo posted areport, claiming it was from Microsoft’s own Aaron Coldiron. In this report, Chris asked, When I asked why they couldn’t just seed it as a torrent (BitTorrent), Aaron responded: There are legal and privacy issues which unfortunately make that not an

[...] Demystifying the MS Stance on BitTorrents What’s the deal with the BitTorrent sites springing up to mirror the Beta 2 release of Windows Vista?  As you’re probably aware from reading this blog, we ran into some issues delivering the download of Windows Vista Beta 2 to everyone who wanted to test out the release.  Some of our fans (those with more resources at their disposal) very cleverly created a BitTorrent to mirror the files being offered in an attempt to alleviate the pressure our servers were under during the first weekend of release.  This was not something that we prompted them to do, but rather the guys at Lockergnome took it upon themselves to put up a site that offered a digitally verified copy of the same Beta 2 file we posted to windowsvista.com.  (For more on how BitTorrents work, check out the Wikipedia article.)   For those of you keeping score, the torrent has since been taken down per intervention by Microsoft’s Legal department, but not before serving thousands of community testers excited to get their hands on the latest public release of the OS.  Of course, being the responsible and stand-up guys that they are, Chris and Jake didn’t offer an altered version of the file, but instead were simply trying to make life easier for the more than 1,000,000 people who’ve been interested enough in Beta 2 release to take the time to download the >3GB file.   The long and the short of it is that while Microsoft cannot sanction another party to offer a mirrored version our software (what would you do if you downloaded what you thought was a valid copy of an OS from a non-Microsoft site, only to find out that you’d been duped into wiping your entire system and loading a spyware-laden OS onto your machine?  Yeah, I thought so.  Be careful what you ask for.), it is a testament to the ingenuity of our community that Jake & Chris took the initiative to meet the need before anyone even suggested going this route.  And for the record, my opinion on the matter is that despite our official corporate stance, it’s exemplary that a couple enthusiastic guys not only posted a link to the announcement that Beta 2 was available, but also made it easier for their fellow Windows aficionados to share in the excitement and get their own copies when the pipe got clogged.   So bravo, Chris and Jake!  It’s guys like you who make my job easier in the end J   (Just don‘t mess with the World Cup.) [...]

Chris Pirillo, Microsoft acknowledged that the download was very popular. I was fine with this, Vista has been a long time in the making and a lot of people are anxious to give it a try. However, Chris also reported that Microsoft feared that opening up the pipes to allow additional concurrent downloads could actually put the infrastructure of the internet at risk. Without knowing the details behind this, I am a bit skeptical, but that’s not the point of this

[...] Lockergnomies offer Windows Vista via torrent Chris Pirillo just IM’d me to point out the Windows Vista Torrent site: Per the official report, Microsoft is currently recommending waiting for a DVD version of Windows Vista Beta 2 due to extremely long wait times for the download directly from Microsoft. To help them with their dilemma, Windows enthusiasts Chris and Jake have downloaded the official beta release and created a torrent. They did an interview with Jim Allchin a few weeks ago. [...]

[...] On le sait, Microsoft n’aime pas BitTorrent ou n’a pas très bien compris comment il marchait. Plutôt que de passer par le protocole P2P le plus populaire du monde pour proposer leurs bêtas et éviter des surcharges de bande passante soit disant dangereuses pour l’internet tout entier, Microsoft a choisi de faire payer le téléchargement de la bêta 2 de son Office Professional 2007. La somme est symbolique, 1.50 $, mais démontre l’entêtement de Microsoft contre le P2P. Pour rendre officiellement service aux internautes et à Microsoft, et par la même occasion s’offir un bon coup de pub, Red Swooch, “par une générosité infinie, offre ce lien swooshed gratuit pour Office 2007 Beta 2″, annonce l’éditeur de liens P2P sur son blog. Pas sûr néanmoins que Microsoft trouve toujours l’initiative amusante au point d’offrir là encore une lettre d’injonction sous verre. [...]

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sdgfsdg

Yeah, I’m late. Sorry.

As for MS not sanctioning a Torrent, it has nothing to do with guaranteeing an unaltered copy, it’s a company-policy that “Torrent is bad.”

MS could host the tracker themselves, and provide the hash/checksum. They could easily guarantee that the file being downloaded is correct. Just make a press release that says that only a torrent downloaded from the official Microsoft site is ‘guaranteed to be unaltered’.

hi
this window is very well and good working internet faster
i like the window

Please can i have a download of Windows Vista

pork no le dan auno el windows vista

NOW,I want windows vista.

Windows Vista Torrent Per theofficial report, Microsoft is currently recommending waiting for a DVD version of Windows Vista Beta 2 due to extremely long wait times for the download directly from Microsoft. For a few short days, we (Chris and Jake